Posted by BRIGGS:


If you were David Lee's agent--what would you ask the Knicks for? I would ask for 72mm from the Knicks--they can only say no or come back with a number--then if I don't like the number I shop him in RFA--if we don't like the number we go to the qualifying offer. As an agent he will not let David leave 25- 30mm on the table--and David is not stupid.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:


If you were David Lee's agent--what would you ask the Knicks for? I would ask for 72mm from the Knicks--they can only say no or come back with a number--then if I don't like the number I shop him in RFA--if we don't like the number we go to the qualifying offer. As an agent he will not let David leave 25- 30mm on the table--and David is not stupid.

is that market value Briggs? what is your logic or reasoning in assuming Lee is a max player or going to become a max player during his next contract? If I am DW I ask his agent if he wants us to work on a sign and trade because Lee isnt a max player. If someone wants to give him $72mm fine. Tell them to call and we will work out a trade. However as I mentioned before the only team that can really offer him that is Detroit.

I would ask Lee's agent the same thing I ask you. Who is the buyer?

Some people will panic until there's a 0% chance of any components of the plan working out poorly. The more conditions (or the more "if"s) someone has to add to their scenario, the more desperate they're argument is becoming. I know you like replying to Briggs but if someone says what if "X, y, and z and a, b, and c all happen? Then we're screwed.", you should just tell them to start taking medication. It could not be more obvious to me that Briggs has made up his mind and will not change it or even consider others' views.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-08-2008 1:50 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by BRIGGS:


If you were David Lee's agent--what would you ask the Knicks for? I would ask for 72mm from the Knicks--they can only say no or come back with a number--then if I don't like the number I shop him in RFA--if we don't like the number we go to the qualifying offer. As an agent he will not let David leave 25- 30mm on the table--and David is not stupid.

is that market value Briggs? what is your logic or reasoning in assuming Lee is a max player or going to become a max player during his next contract? If I am DW I ask his agent if he wants us to work on a sign and trade because Lee isnt a max player. If someone wants to give him $72mm fine. Tell them to call and we will work out a trade. However as I mentioned before the only team that can really offer him that is Detroit.

I would ask Lee's agent the same thing I ask you. Who is the buyer?

Some people will panic until there's a 0% chance of any components of the plan working out poorly. The more conditions (or the more "if"s) someone has to add to their scenario, the more desperate they're argument is becoming. I know you like replying to Briggs but if someone says what if "X, y, and z and a, b, and c all happen? Then we're screwed.", you should just tell them to start taking medication. It could not be more obvious to me that Briggs has made up his mind and will not change it or even consider others' views.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-08-2008 1:50 PM]

Very simple--we cannot keep Duhon Lee Nate Harrington etc.. and expect to be a free agent team--so sell high on a couple of players. If you believe we can--you'll find out in due time.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by nysportsfan11:

Maximums, mid levels and minimums are proportional to the cap anyway so the point in regards to this discussion is moot. See the '99 lockout and the end of "KG money" for reference. Regardless, the salary cap will not be $50 million. Both sides have to agree to the cap number and a $50 mil cap doesn't work for the owners or players. David Stern and Billy Hunter would kill someone before that happened. At worst, we'd have another long lockout if the cap drops dramatically.

Every player is different. There are a ton of guys around the League who would never in a million years want to play in NY. I don't see why that's so hard to believe. But others would kill to play here. There's no catch all formula that determines who's in what boat especially when you start factoring in wives, families, cost of living, schools, age, media, post playing career aspirations, surrounding talent, management, coaching staff, etc.

Salary cap will be driven and set by revenues--simple economics 101. Go look up the formula

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by fishmike:

sure.. same team Lee's agent tried to block a trade to? Not to mention the Knicks can offer him 6 years $63mm at 8 9 10 11 12 13 and still be under cap if it came down to that. What do you think will happen? And why would the only team in the NBA that can give that contract give it to Lee over Marion?

I'm sorry.. I am not panicking in Dec because Memphis can offer Lee $66mm. Has Memphis ever signed a big FA? Has any FA ever gone there? Tell me you honestly think Lee to Memphis for a frontloaded $66mm has a fart in the wind's chance of happeneing. Probably the same odds as the Knicks signing Lebron, Amare, Nash and a bunch of old all stars for the minimum to cling on and get a ring

Only way that contract gets offered is if Lee simply doesnt want to be here. You get that impression?

I don't get what you are saying--first off do you have any factual evidence from a credible source that Lee blocked any trade to any team? Secondly why wouldn't a team like Memphis offer a fair market value contract to a big man they desperately need? Did Emeka Ok4 just get 70mm from the Bobcats? Then why cant Lee get 66? If you are an agent--how can you ask for less than 72mm if Ok4 got 70? You comp the players--that is how it is done in pro sports. Is David Lee as valuable to the New York Knicks as Emeka is to Charlotte--answer YES.

Posted by BRIGGS:

David Lee is averaging 18.1 points 14.5 rebounds and shooting 62% in the 9 games since the trade

what are those numbers worth in the NBA? Certainly it's worth 11- 12mm a year. Unless he is injured--does anyone think his production will magically stop--the guy is very consistent tough and smart.

Posted by BRIGGS:

David Lee is averaging 18.1 points 14.5 rebounds and shooting 62% in the 9 games since the trade

what are those numbers worth in the NBA? Certainly it's worth 11- 12mm a year. Unless he is injured--does anyone think his production will magically stop--the guy is very consistent tough and smart.