Posted by BoBo10:

Billups is garbage. Derek Harper 4 Life.

Posted by ramtour420:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by martin:

Posted by VDesai:

I don't think Jeffries has enough skill, but I'm perfectly fine with giving him a chance. Perfectly fine with giving Curry a chance too. Either they prove themselves, play up to a tradable level or just flame out again, but there's enough upside to give them a chance.

For me, Curry have been given enough chances, Jefferies has not.

probably cuz he just plain sucks bro... sorry to sound like a hater but u know it's true... the guy can't hit an open J, he can't post up guys or defend guys in the post, he's not a particularly good rebounder or shotblocker... he's a 15-20 mpg guy who fills minutes here & there at different positions cuz he's got height & length & is mobile... i don't even think he would warrant a shot at anything other than the role he's been playing most of his career... his career best year in WAS he barely put up 7 & 5 in 26 mpg... i would guarantee u we could get better production than that out of any D Leaguer scrub we brought in here on a minimum level deal... hell i'd love to see Patrick Ewing Jr. be given those minutes & see what he could do than rely on Jefferies to make much of an impact.

I completely agree, coundn't have put it better myself. JJ2 is just not good, no matter how much we need the things that he "supposedly " brings.

As for Duhon, he brings exactly what we need at this time. I don't think it was possible to get any1 better than him and he has trampled all of the expectations. Dunno about Harper but he's easily been the best PG we've gotten since i've been following the Knicks(over 10 years)

Posted by martin:

A lot of people were saying the same things about Duhon before the season started.

Posted by martin:

Posted by ramtour420:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by martin:

Posted by VDesai:

I don't think Jeffries has enough skill, but I'm perfectly fine with giving him a chance. Perfectly fine with giving Curry a chance too. Either they prove themselves, play up to a tradable level or just flame out again, but there's enough upside to give them a chance.

For me, Curry have been given enough chances, Jefferies has not.

probably cuz he just plain sucks bro... sorry to sound like a hater but u know it's true... the guy can't hit an open J, he can't post up guys or defend guys in the post, he's not a particularly good rebounder or shotblocker... he's a 15-20 mpg guy who fills minutes here & there at different positions cuz he's got height & length & is mobile... i don't even think he would warrant a shot at anything other than the role he's been playing most of his career... his career best year in WAS he barely put up 7 & 5 in 26 mpg... i would guarantee u we could get better production than that out of any D Leaguer scrub we brought in here on a minimum level deal... hell i'd love to see Patrick Ewing Jr. be given those minutes & see what he could do than rely on Jefferies to make much of an impact.

I completely agree, coundn't have put it better myself. JJ2 is just not good, no matter how much we need the things that he "supposedly " brings.

As for Duhon, he brings exactly what we need at this time. I don't think it was possible to get any1 better than him and he has trampled all of the expectations. Dunno about Harper but he's easily been the best PG we've gotten since i've been following the Knicks(over 10 years)

A lot of people were saying the same things about Duhon before the season started.

Posted by TheGame:

Duhon is an average pg. This offense makes any competent pg look better than they actually are on offense. He is a solid defensive pg. I would rate him as average in shooting, average in passing, and above-average in defense. Mark Jackson was a much better pure pg. Duhon is probably a very very small step above Charlie Ward/Chris Childs. He is not better than them in all aspects of the game, but his overall game and physical abilities are probably slightly better.

[Edited by - thegame on 01-12-2008 03:28]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by martin:

A lot of people were saying the same things about Duhon before the season started.

anyone who actually watched Duhon play for any appreciable amount of time should have known he was a solid signing on a 2 year MLE deal... the same reason why everyone should have known Jefferies was nowhere near worth a full MLE deal.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-02-2008 10:45 AM]

Posted by TMS:

Duhon w/yet another great game & he's doing this all playing w/back spasms no less... this guy coulda played well on any of the Knicks teams of the early 90's w/o a doubt in my mind.

The point of the topic was whether Duhon was as good as Mark Jackson or some of the other great Knick pgs. I don't think he is at the same level as a Mark Jackson in terms of being a pure pg.