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11/28/2008  5:07 PM
Posted by oohah:


When the arbitration comes out in Marbury's favor I'll doubt you'll change your opinion then either.

Does this bode for a big change of opinion from you if it holds?

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11/28/2008  5:14 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:


When the arbitration comes out in Marbury's favor I'll doubt you'll change your opinion then either.

Does this bode for a big change of opinion from you if it holds?

I may say that it has some merit.
Don't act so certain. Until then, goodbye.

Ditto.

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11/28/2008  5:16 PM
Blueseats: Substitute D' with Isiah as coach. Do you still back the handling of this situation by the coach? Or does it all change?

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11/28/2008  5:26 PM
Posted by oohah:

Blueseats: Substitute D' with Isiah as coach. Do you still back the handling of this situation by the coach? Or does it all change?

oohah


Isn't it interesting that it doesn't matter if it's Lenny, Larry, Isiah or D'. Problems with Marbury is the constant?

My hypothetical is if the "problematic" D' were fired today and a new coach were in place would the situation be resolved?

No.

Now lets flip it around. If the problematic Marbury were waived today would the situation be resolved?

Yes.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-28-2008 5:32 PM]
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11/28/2008  5:36 PM
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Posted by Markji:

FINALLY!

Suspend Marbury......Fine him......This will help to get rid of him quicker!

A guy who is making 22mm in salary should do whatever he is told. If he is told to sit he should sit if he is told to play he should play and give 110%--end of story--there should be no story. If this player refuses to abide by a management decision--he should be suspended and not paid--words and hard-feelings don't matter. He is an employee making a huge sum of money--he needs to honor that or stop being paid.

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11/28/2008  5:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Markji:

FINALLY!

Suspend Marbury......Fine him......This will help to get rid of him quicker!

A guy who is making 22mm in salary should do whatever he is told. If he is told to sit he should sit if he is told to play he should play and give 110%--end of story--there should be no story. If this player refuses to abide by a management decision--he should be suspended and not paid--words and hard-feelings don't matter. He is an employee making a huge sum of money--he needs to honor that or stop being paid.

If that's the case then why did management feel a need to sit Marbury down and tell him that he's no longer in their plans and will not be playing anymore?

Marbury is an idiot but management, specifically D'Antoni, have handled this situation horribly. This situation will pass as soon as they buy out Marbury but D'Antoni better start figuring out this market and the NY media or else he may not last. This isn't Phoenix where the media and the public will eat up anything you choose to give them.


Did someone explicitly say he will never play anymore? I doubt that, but if it ws the case that was wrong thing to do. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with telling him he is not part of the team's long term future it does not in any way excuse him of the obligation to earn his paycheck.
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11/28/2008  6:19 PM
So you guys acually want Marbury to play?

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11/28/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:

Blueseats: Substitute D' with Isiah as coach. Do you still back the handling of this situation by the coach? Or does it all change?

oohah


Isn't it interesting that it doesn't matter if it's Lenny, Larry, Isiah or D'. Problems with Marbury is the constant?

My hypothetical is if the "problematic" D' were fired today and a new coach were in place would the situation be resolved?

No.

Now lets flip it around. If the problematic Marbury were waived today would the situation be resolved?

Yes.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-28-2008 5:32 PM]

So you just refuse to answer the question, is that it?

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11/28/2008  6:45 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:

Blueseats: Substitute D' with Isiah as coach. Do you still back the handling of this situation by the coach? Or does it all change?

oohah


Isn't it interesting that it doesn't matter if it's Lenny, Larry, Isiah or D'. Problems with Marbury is the constant?

My hypothetical is if the "problematic" D' were fired today and a new coach were in place would the situation be resolved?

No.

Now lets flip it around. If the problematic Marbury were waived today would the situation be resolved?

Yes.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-28-2008 5:32 PM]

So you just refuse to answer the question, is that it?

oohah


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It's your lucky day because you won't even get a conversation from me because that question is stupid. Rephrase and I'll be happy to discuss with you.

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11/28/2008  7:40 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

So you guys acually want Marbury to play?

I want whatever is best for the team and I want the coach to be the one who decides that. And I want and end to people calling Waltoni unprofessional and sticking up for the ultimate slimeball. This person has embarassed my favorite team, has destroyed whatever pride I had left in it and I dont care if he gets hit by a car. I have absolutely no feelings, no respect and no compassion for this selfish, arrogant scumbag. As long as we are paying him he needs to do what he is told, else they should fine him his salary.
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11/28/2008  7:46 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:

Blueseats: Substitute D' with Isiah as coach. Do you still back the handling of this situation by the coach? Or does it all change?

oohah


Isn't it interesting that it doesn't matter if it's Lenny, Larry, Isiah or D'. Problems with Marbury is the constant?

My hypothetical is if the "problematic" D' were fired today and a new coach were in place would the situation be resolved?

No.

Now lets flip it around. If the problematic Marbury were waived today would the situation be resolved?

Yes.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-28-2008 5:32 PM]

So you just refuse to answer the question, is that it?

oohah


Posted by oohah:


It's your lucky day because you won't even get a conversation from me because that question is stupid. Rephrase and I'll be happy to discuss with you.

oohah

What oohah and blueseats are really thinking...
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11/28/2008  7:47 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:

Blueseats: Substitute D' with Isiah as coach. Do you still back the handling of this situation by the coach? Or does it all change?

oohah


Isn't it interesting that it doesn't matter if it's Lenny, Larry, Isiah or D'. Problems with Marbury is the constant?

My hypothetical is if the "problematic" D' were fired today and a new coach were in place would the situation be resolved?

No.

Now lets flip it around. If the problematic Marbury were waived today would the situation be resolved?

Yes.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-28-2008 5:32 PM]

So you just refuse to answer the question, is that it?

oohah


Posted by oohah:


It's your lucky day because you won't even get a conversation from me because that question is stupid. Rephrase and I'll be happy to discuss with you.

oohah

That is very clever! I guess when you run out of sophistry, clever answers are all that is left! Bravo!

However, your answer is loud and clear: When it was Isiah it was wrong, when it is D' it is right. Double standard to the max, I got you loud and clear...

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11/28/2008  8:06 PM
Oohah, I think may answer told you all you needed to know. If it did not suffice, I obviously don't understand your what you are looking for.
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11/28/2008  8:35 PM
I hate Marbury. I'll be glad when he's gone. But this team right now is C. R. A. P. I would prefer to figure out a solution where Walsh and D'Antoni promise Marbury to put him in a position where he can get a fat contract when he leaves the team and he goes out and busts his ass as the starting SG and shuts the **** up.

Because let's be real here. Without Randolph and Crawford there is NO TALENT on the Knicks. As much as Marbury has sullied the franchise, it's embarrassing to have this collection of C. R. A. P. in a Knicks uniform. If I have to see Harrington/Thomas/Richardson/Rose jack up 60 shots again...

There is a way to get value out of this situation for Marbury and the organization. Tell Marbury to STFU, ban him form talking to the media. Whatever. In return, D'Antoni and Walsh tap dance for Marbs when he becomes a UFA. Tell everyone he'd be an asset to their organization, it was just time for the Knicks to move on or whatever.

I mean, people who know my track record know I am not a Marbury fan. I do not like him. I wanted him gone. I still do. But while he's under contract and the franchise traded away all it's talent, why not? Everyone on this team is GONE in 2010, with the exception of a few guys that broke into the league having played with him. It's not like Marbury could contaminate anything anymore.

I think the Knicks have absolutely nothing to lose from Marbury right now...
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11/28/2008  8:39 PM
It's not like Marbury could contaminate anything anymore.

I think the Knicks have absolutely nothing to lose from Marbury right now...

how do u figure Marbury can't contaminate anything anymore when u got young guys like Chandler, Nate, D Lee & later on Gallo who chances are at least 3 of them will have significant futures w/this organization in the coming years? i bet you 90% of the guys in that lockerroom are sick & tired of Marbury's act & don't wanna see him around anymore... how would we have nothing to lose by playing a guy who's as big of a distraction as this guy is w/all these factors in play here? the only place Marbury should be is far away from this team whether he's being paid or not.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-28-2008 5:39 PM]
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11/28/2008  8:44 PM
Posted by TMS:
It's not like Marbury could contaminate anything anymore.

I think the Knicks have absolutely nothing to lose from Marbury right now...

how do u figure Marbury can't contaminate anything anymore when u got young guys like Chandler, Nate, D Lee & later on Gallo who chances are at least 3 of them will have significant futures w/this organization in the coming years? i bet you 90% of the guys in that lockerroom are sick & tired of Marbury's act & don't wanna see him around anymore... how would we have nothing to lose by playing a guy who's as big of a distraction as this guy is w/all these factors in play here? the only place Marbury should be is far away from this team whether he's being paid or not.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-28-2008 5:39 PM]

Oh come on. You act like everyone outside of Gallo hasn't played with Marbury before. If they've been contaminated by his presence THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.

And you know what's worse than playing alongside of the bum Marbury? Playing on a ****, no-talent team waiting for a superstar to bail the franchise out. Yeah, I'm sure playing with a bunch of hacks is better for Chandler and Gallo's development. And let's be frank here. NAte and Lee are developed. They may add more wrinkles to their game. But they are coming off their rookie contracts. They aren't going to change too much.
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11/28/2008  10:07 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
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It's not like Marbury could contaminate anything anymore.

I think the Knicks have absolutely nothing to lose from Marbury right now...

how do u figure Marbury can't contaminate anything anymore when u got young guys like Chandler, Nate, D Lee & later on Gallo who chances are at least 3 of them will have significant futures w/this organization in the coming years? i bet you 90% of the guys in that lockerroom are sick & tired of Marbury's act & don't wanna see him around anymore... how would we have nothing to lose by playing a guy who's as big of a distraction as this guy is w/all these factors in play here? the only place Marbury should be is far away from this team whether he's being paid or not.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-28-2008 5:39 PM]

Oh come on. You act like everyone outside of Gallo hasn't played with Marbury before. If they've been contaminated by his presence THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.

And you know what's worse than playing alongside of the bum Marbury? Playing on a ****, no-talent team waiting for a superstar to bail the franchise out. Yeah, I'm sure playing with a bunch of hacks is better for Chandler and Gallo's development. And let's be frank here. NAte and Lee are developed. They may add more wrinkles to their game. But they are coming off their rookie contracts. They aren't going to change too much.

again, i bet u an overwhelming majority of his former teammates don't care to see him playing w/them anymore & want him far away from this franchise... Marbury is not the Starbury he once was, ur kidding urself if u think by playing him it would benefit this organization in any way shape or form... i could care less about winning a couple more games this season... he ain't taking us to the playoffs, what's the point?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-28-2008 7:07 PM]
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11/28/2008  11:15 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
It's not like Marbury could contaminate anything anymore.

I think the Knicks have absolutely nothing to lose from Marbury right now...

how do u figure Marbury can't contaminate anything anymore when u got young guys like Chandler, Nate, D Lee & later on Gallo who chances are at least 3 of them will have significant futures w/this organization in the coming years? i bet you 90% of the guys in that lockerroom are sick & tired of Marbury's act & don't wanna see him around anymore... how would we have nothing to lose by playing a guy who's as big of a distraction as this guy is w/all these factors in play here? the only place Marbury should be is far away from this team whether he's being paid or not.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-28-2008 5:39 PM]

Oh come on. You act like everyone outside of Gallo hasn't played with Marbury before. If they've been contaminated by his presence THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.

And you know what's worse than playing alongside of the bum Marbury? Playing on a ****, no-talent team waiting for a superstar to bail the franchise out. Yeah, I'm sure playing with a bunch of hacks is better for Chandler and Gallo's development. And let's be frank here. NAte and Lee are developed. They may add more wrinkles to their game. But they are coming off their rookie contracts. They aren't going to change too much.

again, i bet u an overwhelming majority of his former teammates don't care to see him playing w/them anymore & want him far away from this franchise... Marbury is not the Starbury he once was, ur kidding urself if u think by playing him it would benefit this organization in any way shape or form... i could care less about winning a couple more games this season... he ain't taking us to the playoffs, what's the point?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-28-2008 7:07 PM]

I think the product that's on the MSG hardwood is absolutely pathetic and should be improved anyway it can. I never thought of Marbury as Starbury. His stats were always selfish and not as meaningful as others. But to think he isn't an upgrade over Anthony Roberson is a load of malarkey.

The man is a piece of ****. But, honestly, I don't care because, well, I don't have luxury of caring. The Knicks traded all their "talent" for garbage. This isn't the new York Knicks anymore; it's the New York Expiring Contracts and Marbury happens to be one. Let him up his value for next season or maybe even THIS season and maybe by some stroke of luck or by some breath of God the Knicks can flip Marbury for an upgrade.

Because if this is the crap I have to watch this season and this is the crap I have to watch next season and the following season all the UFAs decide they don't want to play for a franchise that sucks so much donkey dong my head will explode. I don't give a **** about these guys and how they feel and if they need a hug and a good teammate. FUCK THEM. This is a professional sports team that sucks and probably needs the help of Stephon Marbury. This is the same team that charge $87 for a Bud and $36.50 for a 2" hot dog.

I mean, they drafted a guy who is 20 and needs a walker. This year, maybe they'll get someone decent or maybe not, though history seems to indicate the draft passed Donnie Walsh by a decade ago. I'm not anticipating help there. Nope, probably not. Even then, this franchise has historically drafted garbage and without a complete purge, I would bet on failure every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

So, in my long winded way, I think The New York Expiring Contracts should attempt to maximize every single asset that's on the roster. This is no longer the New York Knickerbockers. Get Eddy Curry on the court. Get Jerome James on the court. Get Jared Jeffries on the court. Get Stephon Marbury on the court. Get the most out of this crap and flip it for something. If the goal is to get me to buy into this 2010 plan, turn this franchise's trash into another's treasure. Because this sure as hell ain't a basketball team.

And if this rant seems angry, it is, but it isn't directed at you. I am at the end of my rope. All these trades are crap because there is no hope for immediate help. Everyone is high fiving each other because there is a plan. This magical plan. Great. That's going to be fun to root for. This is the "team" that's on the floor for two years! Two years! It feels like a friggin prison sentence!

Before this trade, this team actually looked okay. Has this team made the playoffs, what could the Knicks have gotten for Randolph and Crawford? Maybe some shorter contracts and picks? Something the team could have developed next year perhaps?

But, I digress. In this current state, the Knicks should have one agenda and one agenda alone: maximize its assets.
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listen i understand ur frustration but u gotta know this was gonna happen when we went for the 2010 plan... putting Marbury into the rotation may win u a few more games but like i said, what's the point? the team's gonna stink regardless, trust me on that one... if u haven't noticed Marbury led this team to a couple 20 win seasons in recent years, & that's with Jamal at his side & last year Zach Randolph as well... what possible upside is there in playing Marbury? no one's gonna trade us anything for him... look at other teams who have guys not playing who are on expiring deals & nothing gets done, u think there's gonna be a taker for a guy making $22 mil who brings along w/him all the headaches that Marbury does too? ain't happening unless the other teams' GM is named Isiah Thomas.
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