Posted by Rookie:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by Rookie:

why trade him now?

That's actually a question.

I can think of 100 reasons.

Yes, and a statement. Get him some minutes, work on his game, let him be productive. Let him come into camp next fall in shape and if he doesn't fit the plan then, then trade him. He'll have more value and there really is no big need to dump him now for nothing. Let's see what MDA can do with him and then decide. At the very least he can raise his trade value. What does it hurt us to play him and try and help him realize his upside. He's still very young.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Curry is being handled all wrong, just like Marbury. These guys are the core of the Team that Zeke Built. Walsh is undoing all the progress that Zeke made in the aftermath of Layden.

Marbury is practically out the door, Zach and Crawford are history. What's going to make me believe that Curry isn't next?

Let him come to camp next year in shape'?!

I don't see anyone stopping him.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by BRIGGS:

This whole thread has the wrong idea. I don't think Curry is ever going to be a guy who sticks out on the D. But he can be completely dominant on the O and he can average 20 points and grab 7 rebounds.

Yes, but as the featured player on a 33 win team.

If Crawford didnt get hurt we wouldve made the playoffs. Lets be honest Curry was dominant at times in 06--he had several 30 points and 1 43 point game. How many other C in the NBA could do that? He also had like 20 double doubles and averaged 7 rebounds which is not bad. Fans always make their own guys out to be the worst. Eddy was very good in 06 and looked like he was on the verge of dominance at times. We traded for Zach and his production and will dropped--yet again he still had numerous nice games last year.

Posted by Rookie:

Let him come to camp next year in shape'?!

I don't see anyone stopping him.

While I can't know the future, I GUARANTEE you he will come into camp in shape next year if he's still here. He's young and got away with it with Isiah. MDA gave him a dose of the hard truth. Young guys make mistakes, usually only once, and then they get it. This guy is big, young and has some gifts.

Thats a tough guarantee to do unless you are his personal trainer or something. You talk about Curry like if he was just drafted or something. Yeah, he is young, but has been in this league a long time and isn't that young not to be a professional and come in shape if he is a pro player. "Ifs" often work when the guys are still adapting to the NBA, but this guy is a veteran. The least he could do was to come in shape and he didn't. Don't you remember all the talk in the offseason about him training and coming better? The same garbage we've heard the last years and we always get disappointed.

The guy can score, get him ready to run in this system and feature him. Then trade him as soon as we get a great offer.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Rookie:

Let him come to camp next year in shape'?!

I don't see anyone stopping him.

While I can't know the future, I GUARANTEE you he will come into camp in shape next year if he's still here. He's young and got away with it with Isiah. MDA gave him a dose of the hard truth. Young guys make mistakes, usually only once, and then they get it. This guy is big, young and has some gifts.

or he could show up fat, not care and retire a rich man. Based on the drive he's shown his career I would say my thought is more plausable.

Isiah has nothing to do with Curry being out of shape right now so saying and guaranteeing that he will come in shape next season is a huge stretch. Fishmike's scenario is more probable, therefore the best you do for the Knicks is get him on the court and deal him for picks.

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by Knicksfan:

Posted by Rookie:

Let him come to camp next year in shape'?!

I don't see anyone stopping him.

While I can't know the future, I GUARANTEE you he will come into camp in shape next year if he's still here. He's young and got away with it with Isiah. MDA gave him a dose of the hard truth. Young guys make mistakes, usually only once, and then they get it. This guy is big, young and has some gifts.

Thats a tough guarantee to do unless you are his personal trainer or something. You talk about Curry like if he was just drafted or something. Yeah, he is young, but has been in this league a long time and isn't that young not to be a professional and come in shape if he is a pro player. "Ifs" often work when the guys are still adapting to the NBA, but this guy is a veteran. The least he could do was to come in shape and he didn't. Don't you remember all the talk in the offseason about him training and coming better? The same garbage we've heard the last years and we always get disappointed.

The guy can score, get him ready to run in this system and feature him. Then trade him as soon as we get a great offer.

The Knicks have a different culture now with MDA at the helm. They have gone from chronic underachievers to hard working overachievers. Just look at the Wizard game from the other night and tell me if those same 7 guys could have pulled that win off last year under Thomas. It's a different locker room and level of effort. Curry missed the boat once, I GUARANTEE YOU he won't miss it again. You are exactly right though, he will be treated like he is in his rookie season and he'll have to earn his minutes. I think the guys on the outside looking in are either gone (Randolf, Crawford and whatever that other stiffs name was) or in street clothes. Patience young grasshopper, nobody's ordering Curry right now, he's not on the menu. Walsh and MDA are going to want to see what they've got before any deal goes down. OTOH, if some GM comes along with apackage that fits our needs, he'll be gone tomorrow...I just don't see that happening.

You keep guaranteeing things only Curry can control because his problem isn't his talent or size, but his drive to play. That's what made possible a win like that Wizards win, because every 7 players gave their hearts to win. You talk about Mike D and Walsh like they weren't here from the beginning of the offseason, when they gave Curry a clear assignment: come in shape because you will run and gun. What did he do? Come out of shape YET AGAIN. It's been that way for so many years its getting tiring. Why do you think the Bulls wanted to trade him? You don't trade a guy as tall as him unless he has many flaws that he doesn't seem interested in changing. Thats Curry.

He had a chance to show D'Antoni he cared and he didn't. They still had to tell him to work harder on getting in game shape a couple of weeks ago because they weren't seeing much effort from him. He still believes he is in shape, and that is scary from a guy you hope will change his attitude and simply become a winner.

The Knicks will still do their homework. They will make him get in shape and play him. But don't fool yourself, it will probably be to elevate his value and trade him once they get a nice package from him. If it takes some time and happens at the trading deadline, so be it. If it takes the whole season and he is traded in the offseason or in a draft day trade? So be it, but at some point we need to get value from him and the best hope isn't to transform him into something he has never been, like a defensive force, the best hope is to get the best draft pick and expiring contract. Curry is not a rookie to expect him to transform into something he has never been. That way of thinking got Isiah to trade a huge chunk of great pieces for him, and he failed miserably.