Frank Isola - Knicks Knation - Nov 22 -
....."I also get the sense from listening to D’Antoni’s impassioned rant about the Marbury affair - he called it a “distraction” - the head coach was also sending a subtle message to Knicks president Donnie Walsh to resolve the matter.
Marbury put himself in a position to be fined and/or suspended.But at this stage the only solution is to send him home until Walsh either trades him or releases him."

Posted by oohah:

Yet you find a way to feel sorry for him and act light he's the victim. "Poor Steph had to come into camp in shape, and poor Steph had to showcase himself in preseason, and poor Steph had to sit on the bench or be asked to play when his pride told him not too." Well my counterpoint to you is "poor Knicks fans for ever giving this guy a chance, and for cheering him on, and for allowing themselves to be duped for a second that this guy was about anything but himself.

Nope. You're just wrong. You're throwing out this "Poor Steph" and "feeling sorry" etc. and you're wrong. It is not about "Poor Steph". I'm being objective and you are just enjoying Marbury "Getting his". Shame on you!!!

I am looking at this like he was any other player. You keep talking about the past. Everybody above who agrees with you is talking about the past. They are all blinded by anger and hate. It is not about the past, it is about the present. D'Antoni said "Clean slate", not me. So I took him at his word. D'Antoni said Marbury, was not part of the team or its future, that is his word too. It's about how you treat human beings in a professional environment. D'Antoni is supposed to be better than Mabury.

Again, I am looking at this situation as how "a basketball player" is being treated, not "devil incarnate Stephon Marbury".

Look there is no way I can convince you that anything that happens to Marbury is bad, so let me ask you this:

If David Lee were the player and not Marbury, would you feel the same way? Can you answer that in the affirmative? I doubt it. Remember there are storm clouds above, so don't get struck by lightning!

oohah




[Edited by - oohah on 22-11-2008 11:06 AM]

Posted by Markji:

If David Lee were the player and not Marbury, would you feel the same way? Can you answer that in the affirmative? I doubt it. Remember there are storm clouds above, so don't get struck by lightning!

oohah

I would FINE David Lee if he refused to play just like I am for fining Marbury!

And what would happen if tonight another player goes to D'A and saya "I won't play!" What do you do? You have to fine/suspend the player because it sets a precedent that now anyone can do this and not get penalized.

Marbury needs to be Fined!

Oohah, there's a reason these things happen to Marbury and not Lee.

And don't tell me you're not singing "poor Steph" and then tell me that he's being mistreated.

Steph had a clean slate but needed to prove himself to be above his reputation but instead refused to come off the bench beginning another cycle of alienation by putting himself above his teammates and coach once again. You and he seem to think the man is deserving of star treatment but he's not. He's an unwanted island unto himself who refuses to evolve into a teammate.

Poor Steph, my ass.

so do you feel Antoine walker is being mistreated in memphis?

Posted by oohah:

so do you feel Antoine walker is being mistreated in memphis?

Please explain to me the parallel and how it relates to this discussion.

oohah

sure, since you said this in your reply to blue seats, I thought it relates to this discussion directly..

If you just accept the fact that I am looking at him like any other player it invalidates your argument. It isn't about Marbury per se. There are standards of treatments for all players that do not change from player to player, especially when the coach states clearly that everyone has a clean slate.

so if you look at him like any other player, then I am asking, do you feel that Antoine walker who is having the same thing happen to him is being treated unfairly? Antoine is being told he is not part of the future and he is not playing but being paid a lot of money...

notice walkers comments in this article:

As Antoine Walker enters his 13th season in the NBA, he will look to fill a new role on the Memphis Grizzlies’ roster.

According to sources, Walker has been told by his coaches that he will not get a lot of playing time this season. The Grizzlies are now one of the youngest teams in the NBA and will look to develop their younger forwards. Darko Milicic, Hakim Warrick and rookie Darrell Arthur all play the same position as Antoine.

“I would have liked the opportunity to play but I understand the state that they’re in. They want to play the young guys,” Walker told Kentucky.com. “I still feel like I’ve got a lot of basketball left in me and I can contribute to a team in the NBA. It’s unfortunate that it’s not working out here. But you have to respect the decision. This team has some good young talent.”
Kentucky.com

This is a guy who I feel bad for, but he is handling it in the right way. Walker will land somewhere eventually, but he is taking the proper approach.... AGain I ask.. do you feel walker is being wronged by memphis? just curious and yes, it is pertinent to this discussion..