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So much for this buyout talk, Marbury says I want it all
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11/18/2008  11:54 AM
what's the distraction? The only "distraction" is Berman and the rest of the media who keep bringing it up. MDA and Walsh have effectively shut Marbury up. The team is gelling. And playing like a unit.

From the team's perspective, why should they let Marbury have his way one more time?


Can I get a hallelujah brother man. He's expiring, who cares already. If he had any trade value, he'd be playing somewhere else by now. The only liability here is paying him to play for a rival.

*edit* If your going to have a so called superstar, then it should count against YOUR teams cap. No-one should get him for the league minimum and have a deeper bench than ours


[Edited by - Rookie on 11-18-2008 12:11 PM]
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11/18/2008  12:08 PM
Watch the games if you haven't noticed what the absence of Curry and Marbury and the infusion of MDA and staff has had on the team.

I think the big difference is that MDA has said that he thinks Curry can contribute when he's in shape, but he'll have to earn minutes by proving himself in practice. I for one would like to see Curry get it together. Maybe he's not a fit for this team, but it looks like he will get a chance to redeem himself. I think he will see some minutes in/by January. He can either raise his trade value or contribute. Either way it's a win for us and I don't think anyone in the decision process has given up on him.

Then again, maybe he comes into training camp in shape next season and has one less year on his contract. He could be given a chance to contribute or raise his trade value then. Either way, I would think that the team has too much invested to give up on him.
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11/18/2008  12:17 PM
I see no reason to pay a man 22M to sit on the bench in a suit and be a constant distraction hoping at some point he will "give in" and accept a few million less. He clearly won't.

can someone please show me where ANYONE in the Knicks organization has 'said' that they would buy him out. I can't think of a single quote from anyone in the organization where they have even used the word 'buyout' in the same sentence as Marbury. Please someone show me where Walsh has discussed buying out Marbury.
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11/18/2008  1:03 PM
Posted by Rookie:
I see no reason to pay a man 22M to sit on the bench in a suit and be a constant distraction hoping at some point he will "give in" and accept a few million less. He clearly won't.

can someone please show me where ANYONE in the Knicks organization has 'said' that they would buy him out. I can't think of a single quote from anyone in the organization where they have even used the word 'buyout' in the same sentence as Marbury. Please someone show me where Walsh has discussed buying out Marbury.

Please show me where there hasn't been discussions, reported in the paper, regarding buyout talks?

Also please show me where it's not a detriment to the team to have this clown practicing with them, in the lockerroom with them, talking with them, bringing the media comments with him, being on camera at the garden sitting on the bench moping or laughing it up, now bringing the NBAPA and their lawyers into the situation and I'm sure soon enough David Stern if this is not recified.

Also please explain to me how it's a great idea to pay him 22M to sit on the bench and be an 82 game distraction over paying him 22M to go away FOREVER?

Where's the gain in doing that?

"HAHA WE PUNISHED HIM HAHA HE COULDNT PLAY THIS YEAR!!!"???????????????????

That's the style of a 12-year-old girl not NBA executives looking to improve the atmosphere on their franchise.


I can't understand why anyone thinks this is a great way to handle things and that it's of no distraction to the team whatsoever.
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Posted by Rookie:
what's the distraction? The only "distraction" is Berman and the rest of the media who keep bringing it up. MDA and Walsh have effectively shut Marbury up. The team is gelling. And playing like a unit.

From the team's perspective, why should they let Marbury have his way one more time?


Can I get a hallelujah brother man. He's expiring, who cares already. If he had any trade value, he'd be playing somewhere else by now. The only liability here is paying him to play for a rival.

*edit* If your going to have a so called superstar, then it should count against YOUR teams cap. No-one should get him for the league minimum and have a deeper bench than ours


[Edited by - Rookie on 11-18-2008 12:11 PM]


If he has no trade value then his expiring is no more valuable in February or July as it is right now - as in ending it right now.

If he's a crappy player who be worried who he might sign with as if he would hurt us so badly?

If we're so good why would we be so concerned about 1 player that we might face 1 or 2 more times during an entire season of which has no real contending aspirations?

If he's no big deal why keep him here? Again, to do what, "punish" him? There's no value in that it's more of a negative distraction to the team and Marbury is clearly on another planet and doesn't care. He won't "crack".

This whole thing is just silly. Almost as silly is the notion that it's not a problem for the franchise to handle it in this ongoing manner.
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11/18/2008  3:44 PM
From Berman:

It is uncomfortable to see Stephon Marbury now with this club, possibly on his last Knick road trip,. Even during warmup drills, you can see his shot is not falling like it was in preseason. Three weeks riding the bench looks to have put him out of rhythm and maybe not in the same kind of shape he reported in. Hopefully, Donnie Walsh will do the right thing this week when he gets back to talking with Hal Biagas of the Players' Association. Once shootaround ended, Marbury darted for the bus while his teammates lingered to shoot some more or just hang. Marbury is on his own island and it is time to free him. It's been no way to treat the hometown kid that hasn't done one thing wrong since reporting to training camp in the best shape of his career. I hear other players around the league have taken notice.


Not a distraction, fellas? For a multitude of reason I have laid out I firmly believe this is a very bad distraction. Do we also want other players realizing that Walsh too is an asswipe? Or maybe that no matter who is Pres of the Knicks asswipe Dolan is behind a lot of the moves? Saga's like this are a potential turnoff to other players.

This should have been ended over the summer, it has to be ended right now, before Thanksgiving no doubt about it - that should be enough time for Walsh to try to find a way to trade for 22M worth of absolute trash signed through 2013 or later to satisfy the "don't waste a contract" line of thinking - or to figure out that the best he will do with a buyout is to get Marbury to sign off on taking his contract - the vet minimum which he will get from another club - allowing him to collect his 21.9M in total.


But, no, let's pretend there is no distraction and this is somehow the right way to handle this situation because big bad Marbury ruined the team it was all his fault so let's punish him this is GREAT!


BAH!

Wake up fellas wake up...this is a terrible situation and will worsen until it is concluded!

How this has been allowed to progress this far is beyond any reasonable comprehension - short of people wanting to get revenge on Marbury - for well what exactly? Isiah being an idiot? Yeah, that makes sense to cause all these problems over that. BRILLIANT!


/rant.

GET THIS OVER WITH!!!!

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11/18/2008  3:47 PM
Please stop making Marbury into some sort of martyr and also blaming his entire past on Isiah Thomas. Isiah Thomas didn't force him to leave his team when he did. That was a selfish act he committed on his own. I'm just talking about once incident though. Marbury is no angel and deserves no respect. I agree that this should have been handled in the summer and Walsh has failed in that regard.

Let me also add that you must stop reading any article/blog associated with Marc Berman, especially when it comes to Marbury. Berman has no sources besides Marbury himself and we all know his love-affair with Dickbury. Berman also is the least reliable beat writer in quite possibly the entire USA. He really has no sources to anything he says regarding "other players around the league." Peter Vescey is more reliable.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-18-2008 3:49 PM]
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11/18/2008  3:54 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

From Berman:

It is uncomfortable to see Stephon Marbury now with this club, possibly on his last Knick road trip,. Even during warmup drills, you can see his shot is not falling like it was in preseason. Three weeks riding the bench looks to have put him out of rhythm and maybe not in the same kind of shape he reported in. Hopefully, Donnie Walsh will do the right thing this week when he gets back to talking with Hal Biagas of the Players' Association. Once shootaround ended, Marbury darted for the bus while his teammates lingered to shoot some more or just hang. Marbury is on his own island and it is time to free him. It's been no way to treat the hometown kid that hasn't done one thing wrong since reporting to training camp in the best shape of his career. I hear other players around the league have taken notice.


Not a distraction, fellas? For a multitude of reason I have laid out I firmly believe this is a very bad distraction. Do we also want other players realizing that Walsh too is an asswipe? Or maybe that no matter who is Pres of the Knicks asswipe Dolan is behind a lot of the moves? Saga's like this are a potential turnoff to other players.

This should have been ended over the summer, it has to be ended right now, before Thanksgiving no doubt about it - that should be enough time for Walsh to try to find a way to trade for 22M worth of absolute trash signed through 2013 or later to satisfy the "don't waste a contract" line of thinking - or to figure out that the best he will do with a buyout is to get Marbury to sign off on taking his contract - the vet minimum which he will get from another club - allowing him to collect his 21.9M in total.


But, no, let's pretend there is no distraction and this is somehow the right way to handle this situation because big bad Marbury ruined the team it was all his fault so let's punish him this is GREAT!


BAH!

Wake up fellas wake up...this is a terrible situation and will worsen until it is concluded!

How this has been allowed to progress this far is beyond any reasonable comprehension - short of people wanting to get revenge on Marbury - for well what exactly? Isiah being an idiot? Yeah, that makes sense to cause all these problems over that. BRILLIANT!


/rant.

GET THIS OVER WITH!!!!

/rant, again.

Because Berman reports it you take it as fact? Hey, all of the other players around the league have noticed that Marbury is on the inactive list. Big fukcing deal. They have also noticed that Antoine Walker is not playing and that Tim Thomas didn't play while in Chicago.

Big fukcin deal.

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11/18/2008  4:00 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Please stop making Marbury into some sort of martyr and also blaming his entire past on Isiah Thomas. Isiah Thomas didn't force him to leave his team when he did. That was a selfish act he committed on his own. I'm just talking about once incident though. Marbury is no angel and deserves no respect. I agree that this should have been handled in the summer and Walsh has failed in that regard.

Let me also add that you must stop reading any article/blog associated with Marc Berman, especially when it comes to Marbury. Berman has no sources besides Marbury himself and we all know his love-affair with Dickbury. Berman also is the least reliable beat writer in quite possibly the entire USA. He really has no sources to anything he says regarding "other players around the league." Peter Vescey is more reliable.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-18-2008 3:49 PM]

I have never said he is a martyr. However you cannot ignore the facts here.

*He was asked to come into camp in shape, he did that.
*He has been asked to take a lesser role, he did that.
*He was promised minutes, given them in preseason, praised for how he played and told he was in their plans.
*He has done nothing crazy this entire summer.
*Waltoni said all players get a clean slate.

Now, what has transpired? He's been sat out without explanation other than "he's not in our plans".
They have thus far refused to handle the situation - seemingly happy with trying to sit him out for an entire year.

...none of this is professional and none of this is helpful to the team.

I also did NOT blame his entire past on Isiah Thomas but if you want to ignore the facts of how Marbury's NY career has gone so be it.

*He was brought here to be our top gun.
*Isiah goes out and gets Crawful and makes him top gun asking Marbury to turn into Eric Snow.
*Larry furthers that cause giving Crawful full control of the team asking Marbury to turn into Eric Snow.
*Isiah did the same thing when he took over coaching.
*Isiah and Dolan tried to get over on Marbury with the trial and Marbury sniffed it out and buried them.
*Isiah and Dolan then tried to mistreat Marbury - Isiah with his insane attempt and destroying Marbury's season - the fight on the plane - the sitting out - the eventual decision to "have surgery".


Hey, you can dislike Marbury all you want but this franchise screwed up royally with how they used him and treated him and now the new regime is also dumping on him in an incredibly unprofessional manner.

The facts are there. Choose to acgnowledge them or not that's up to you.


...as to Berman, hey, maybe we should stop reading every piece of news on the Knicks because I've found no one writer is any worse than the other they all make crap up and over dramatize things but if you think everything written on Marbury is fiction regarding the friction the front office has called, the NBAPA getting involved in the matter, Marbury being cast away in an unprofessional matter, and other NBA players and execs taking notice in a negative way, then I guess you've just got a real hate for the guy and don't really care about every little fact.


I mean, that's fine and all, Marbury has been a disaster here and should be gone,

...so...

know what?

GET RID OF HIM.

Why keep him here and cause all these continued problems?

Like it or not when this franchise decided to do that they indeed turned him into a sympathetic figure. They made the mistake, not Marbury, to handle things this way.

Not sure what else to say on this topic so I guess I'll just say anyone who replies to my posts here on out just know I'll just be repeating myself.

As a post earlier in this thread stated "this just keeps going in circles."

Yeah, it does, so I'm done.

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11/18/2008  4:01 PM
Something's gotta be done! I don't want Berman to feel uncomfortable.
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11/18/2008  4:05 PM
Cos, if you can't tell the difference between a writer like Berman and the others, there is a problem. Berman, Isola, Adamek, Hahn, Dougherty, Beck. All with clearly different levels of reporting and sensationalizing.
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11/18/2008  4:07 PM
If you notice the rest of the media is barely talking about the situation. Berman can't write an article without mentioning it however. It will however resurface if we start losing again. the key is to win. There are no distractions when you win.

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11/18/2008  4:07 PM
Oooops I'm sorry you guys aren't going. hehehehe
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Posted by Bippity10:

Oooops I'm sorry you guys aren't going. hehehehe

How can you attend a game while Berman is feeling uncomfortable? I really question your priorities.
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11/18/2008  4:13 PM
Posted by martin:

Cos, if you can't tell the difference between a writer like Berman and the others, there is a problem. Berman, Isola, Adamek, Hahn, Dougherty, Beck. All with clearly different levels of reporting and sensationalizing.

I can but I think they all have their problems. Hahn? You mean the guy that guaranteed three trades this summer that never got close to taking shape? Come'on, he's no more credible than anyone else. Isola? You mean the guy that Dolan exiled? Yeah, I'm sure he's unbiased after that. All these guys have agendas and their writing shows it. All of them get tidbits of info and try to fill in the blanks. All have their own personal opinions and try to turn them into a factual piece of writing. It's not just Berman.

Come'on now... we all know Berman is Marbury's mouthpiece but that doesn't mean he's writing fiction. We know the Knicks and Marbury are at odds and clearly now, only since the NBAPA got involved, trying to come to terms and go their separate ways.


BIP: So, if we were 4-6 would you agree this situation is a distraction that needs to be resolved? I tend to disagree with that reasoning for regardless of our record I think the biggest point here is to move on from the past. To do that you gotta get rid of this guy whether or not the team on the court has moved on from him. He's still here, it's still a problem, and it should be GONE. I can't fathom any player being fine with this or any Knick being fine with him still practicing with them and talking to them in the lockerroom! Can YOU!?

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11/18/2008  5:00 PM
When the Knicks benched Steph, players shrugged, chalked it up to Steph being Steph, Stupid and Stubborn as usual and kept it moving.

Most players around the league couldn't care less about Marbury. They might "get along" with him in passing and accept him as "part of the brotherhood" and a fellow union member but let's not act like he's Derek Fisher or Chauncey Billups or AI or someone these guys actually respect.

What Berman didn't write was that the kids of '10 played with Steph in Athens and COULD NOT STAND him.

Most players around the league view Steph as a damn lunatic who blew a great opportunity in NY.

Furthermore, D'Antoni has a great rep around the league and your earning potential is limitless.

What might keep certain players away is the MEDIA, not Donnie and Mike. Guys don't want to be scapegoated. But they also know that if they win here, they're ****ing legends for life.

When the Knicks traded Ewing, players around the league took notice. When Dolan pitched a bitch fit about Spree and Camby not giving a **** about his media training courses and then acted like that was more important than winning, players took notice. When the medical staff ****ed up Al and McDyess' situations, players took notice.

THAT's the type of **** players took notice of around the league that painted the Knicks in a bad light.

The flipside?:

When Steph left KG for no reason other than being a year too late and having to adhere to a new CBA that wouldn't get him "KG money", players took notice. When Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks, players took notice. When Steph's family intimidated half the Nets and Knicks organizations, players took notice. When Steph exiled coaches in 4 different cities, got players traded and gave the silent treatment to former friends in the locker room for weeks at a time, only to one day flip again as if nothing ever happened, players took notice. When Bassy came into the league and distanced himself from his own cousin, players took notice. When Steph became a YouTube classic, players took notice. When former teammates went elsewhere and had a story to tell about their days with Steph running the organization and turning one of the greatest little men to ever play the game into a bitch with no backbone, players took notice.

Players talk, sure. But they gossip about EVERYTHING. And the majority of them think Steph is just on something and wasted Hall-of-Fame talent.
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11/18/2008  6:06 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by martin:

Cos, if you can't tell the difference between a writer like Berman and the others, there is a problem. Berman, Isola, Adamek, Hahn, Dougherty, Beck. All with clearly different levels of reporting and sensationalizing.

I can but I think they all have their problems. Hahn? You mean the guy that guaranteed three trades this summer that never got close to taking shape? Come'on, he's no more credible than anyone else. Isola? You mean the guy that Dolan exiled? Yeah, I'm sure he's unbiased after that. All these guys have agendas and their writing shows it. All of them get tidbits of info and try to fill in the blanks. All have their own personal opinions and try to turn them into a factual piece of writing. It's not just Berman.

Come'on now... we all know Berman is Marbury's mouthpiece but that doesn't mean he's writing fiction. We know the Knicks and Marbury are at odds and clearly now, only since the NBAPA got involved, trying to come to terms and go their separate ways.

dude, when you say things like "I think they all have their problems" you throw down a gauntlet and make yourself look not so good. Tell me how Howard Beck of the NYTimes has problems? Or Adamek or Dougherty or Hahn? And I don't mean throwing out sentences like "You mean the guy that guaranteed three trades this summer that never got close to taking shape" without so much as any shred of backup.

Berman doesn't write fiction, and I never said he did, but if you can't tell the difference between a paper that sensationalizes stories and a beat writer like Beck who is reporting what he sees and then adds his own experience into it, then you better check into reading 101.
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11/18/2008  6:07 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

BIP: So, if we were 4-6 would you agree this situation is a distraction that needs to be resolved? I tend to disagree with that reasoning for regardless of our record I think the biggest point here is to move on from the past. To do that you gotta get rid of this guy whether or not the team on the court has moved on from him. He's still here, it's still a problem, and it should be GONE. I can't fathom any player being fine with this or any Knick being fine with him still practicing with them and talking to them in the lockerroom! Can YOU!?

what have you heard that came out of the locker room that would give you this idea? I think it's the opposite.
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Posted by nysportsfan11:

When the Knicks benched Steph, players shrugged, chalked it up to Steph being Steph, Stupid and Stubborn as usual and kept it moving.

Most players around the league couldn't care less about Marbury. They might "get along" with him in passing and accept him as "part of the brotherhood" and a fellow union member but let's not act like he's Derek Fisher or Chauncey Billups or AI or someone these guys actually respect.

What Berman didn't write was that the kids of '10 played with Steph in Athens and COULD NOT STAND him.

Most players around the league view Steph as a damn lunatic who blew a great opportunity in NY.

Furthermore, D'Antoni has a great rep around the league and your earning potential is limitless.

What might keep certain players away is the MEDIA, not Donnie and Mike. Guys don't want to be scapegoated. But they also know that if they win here, they're ****ing legends for life.

When the Knicks traded Ewing, players around the league took notice. When Dolan pitched a bitch fit about Spree and Camby not giving a **** about his media training courses and then acted like that was more important than winning, players took notice. When the medical staff ****ed up Al and McDyess' situations, players took notice.

THAT's the type of **** players took notice of around the league that painted the Knicks in a bad light.

The flipside?:

When Steph left KG for no reason other than being a year too late and having to adhere to a new CBA that wouldn't get him "KG money", players took notice. When Steph wrote "All Alone" on his kicks, players took notice. When Steph's family intimidated half the Nets and Knicks organizations, players took notice. When Steph exiled coaches in 4 different cities, got players traded and gave the silent treatment to former friends in the locker room for weeks at a time, only to one day flip again as if nothing ever happened, players took notice. When Bassy came into the league and distanced himself from his own cousin, players took notice. When Steph became a YouTube classic, players took notice. When former teammates went elsewhere and had a story to tell about their days with Steph running the organization and turning one of the greatest little men to ever play the game into a bitch with no backbone, players took notice.

Players talk, sure. But they gossip about EVERYTHING. And the majority of them think Steph is just on something and wasted Hall-of-Fame talent.

Very interesting stuff..
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