Posted by misterearl:

Don't Believe The Hype

"In most cases a player isn't a star until he wins a title ..."

Not so fast babyknicks. Pistol Pete, Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, Michael Ray, The Ice Man, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton and Allen Iverson mighht beg to differ with your theory.

Star? We don't need no steekin' star!

The NYK could use a longer, more versatile player at the skill forward to shore up depth until Gallinari can walk, run and jump.

Forget Marion too. Francisco Garcia - for all my people in The Bronx.

What is this nonsense of us not needing a star ? What is it that you're expecting from this longer, more versatile player at the skill forward position that you claim we need ?

No star, no championship. Very Simple Earl.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 11-16-2008 5:14 PM]

On Grooming Gallo (ETA November 2009)

gr33d - until Gallinari can demonstrate that he is ambulatory, and can take the pounding from beasts, Chandler makes more sense as the forward most likely to play closer to the rack.

Gallinari's game seems more tailored to the perimeter, until he can show an appitude for rebounding angles and an appetite for contact.

Either way, he is not promised anything until he earns it.

GKFv2 - what is your problem?

"If you don't like my music, you don't hafta use it"

- The Brothers Johnson

I just think zach and Crawford could be those stars

Zach has been manufacturing 20 and 10 like a warrior and just dropped 27 and 18, that is pretty close to star quality in my book.

Duhon can play.

Posted by babyKnicks:

I just think zach and Crawford could be those stars

Both are great complementary players. You need them to have a strong team. But the star we need is the guy that can take over the game, your go-to-guy that you count on heavily when shots aren't falling and you desperately need to score. The guy that scores like 16 points in the final quarter to win you the game, like Lebron did in his last game.

You know, a Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, etc. This team needs it to compete against really talented teams with a star of their own. Today was a good example. Down the road, we just didn't know how to keep the lead we have.

We need a star

As far as what could possibly be available out there right now, Al Harrington & Marco Belinelli continues to be the most intriguing package for the Knicks IMO. Harrington's got the reasonable contract that would not affect our future plans (only this year plus next year until he comes off the books --- his acqusition would be very similar to the Chris Duhon signing-a decent player for the right price) plus he's got some real nice versatility as a player - he's in his prime, can play both forward spots effectively and Donnie Walsh drafted him and loves him. Getting Al Harrington would really be the perfect move for this team right now - it gives us the upgrade piece a lot of us want to help us be as competitive as we can be right now without mortgaging the future cap-wise - a much better, more sensible move than getting Gerald Wallace IMO. As for Belinelli, it's still a mystery why he's not getting any burn out there. They lose Baron Davis to the Clippers and they make the decision to suspend Ellis, yet Nellie decides to give big minutes to DeMarcus Nelson and undrafted Anthony Marrow - Marrow did have a huge game against the Clippers Sat. night though, but still -- you don't experience the backcourt trouble they've had since Davis bolted for the Clips then not play this kid Belinelli who you drafted 18th overall in '07. Makes no sense to me but hey, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen a coach not giving adequate minutes to a player that can obviously help him recently for whatever reason (D'Antoni with Marbury, McMillan with Sergio Rodriguez). Bottom line on Belinelli is that he's got size for a 2 at 6'5"/6'6", a great handle and can shoot the ball with the best of 'em. This guy's dominated the summer league 2 off-seasons in a row now - I think he's more than ready to contribute and contribute in a big way. Might not give you the production of a Jamal Crawford right away but in the long run I think he might eventually be the better player. Kid could be a real nice building block for us...

All the ingredients are there for a deal between us and the Warriors: Harrington and Belinelli want out and are not wanted by their organization, and we have a lot of talent they'd probably be interested in - Lee, Crawford, Robinson, an expiring contract in Malik Rose, even Stephon Marbury possibly... I could see several scenarios where we could make either small or large scale deals with GS (if we ever included Lee/Craw or Lee/Robinson, two useful players they could use right now, maybe we'd have a shot at Randolph or Wright - doubtful but who knows). Even though it's clear they don't want or need Eddy Curry, maybe we could involve a 3rd team to take Curry off our hands. What further makes GS an attractive trading partner is that Nellie's supposedly getting restless & impatient with management to make a deal to get him some help and supposedly there's a power stuggle going on with Mullin and team pres. Robert Rowell right now -- maybe we get a chance to make a deal when everyone's not on the same page out there right now, who knows. If I'm Donnie I definitely reach out to GS and try and get something going...


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-17-2008 9:24 PM]

Posted by misterearl:

Zach has been manufacturing 20 and 10 like a warrior and just dropped 27 and 18, that is pretty close to star quality in my book.

Duhon can play.

The difference between a true star and a non star is 'with the star, you only wonder if he'll have a bad night. With a non star, you wonder if he'll break 20 or 30 for the night. It's expectation of one or the other. With Lebron, you just know it's automatic. With someone like Zach, you know he'll get some boards and maybe get to 20, but you can only hope.

That's the difference. Moral of the story? We have no true stars. But instead, we are developing a cast to support a true one. You combined Lebron with what we are starting and playing off the bench now' and that's a pretty darn good team in the league, if you ask me.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-17-2008 9:33 PM]

dunno much about Bellinelli other than what i've read... sounds like a much better option off the bench than Roberson at the very least & he's got some size at the G spot which i do like... if he makes life a little more comfortable for Gallo in NY, all the better... i would love to have him on the Knicks.

i wouldn't mind either a Harrington/Bellinelli trade or 1 for Marion... just wanna stay away from any longterm commitments right now... i think the team is playing much better than any of us could have hoped & i think a trade to improve the talent on the team is warranted as long as the 2010 plan doesn't get sacrificed in the process... otherwise if this team would have been playing like crap i woulda been in favor of just dumping contracts for whatever expirings we can get & gearing up for the draft.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Why don't we add Stephon Curry as the next PG and let all the other teams have the high flyers and the Ricky Rubio's and we can take the brains skills and bloodline.

Without hesitation. But how?

Posted by misterearl:

Star Search

"With someone like Zach, you know he'll get some boards and maybe get to 20, but you can only hope." - 4949

Ranks #20 in the NBA in Points Per Game(20.8)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(12.9)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(39.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(90.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(9.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(129.0)

No, Zach is NOT Lebron, and he is definately NOT pretty in making it do what it do, but make no mistake about it - the young man IS having an all-star season so far.

Cut and paste these numbers on David Lee and there would be an instant thread on why he is a candidate for The NBA Hall of Fame.

No doubt about it, the man is surpassing the expectations of every single poster on this board.
I don't want to hear otherwise.