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arkrud
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11/12/2008  1:22 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:

You know what, WHERE IS PLAYA??? Call him whatever you want, but his theory that the Knicks were going to take Gallo at all costs seems pretty spot on.

Yeah and so is his theory that there would be no election because George Bush was going to extend his term.

lol, yeah duke had some thoughts in his head thats for sure. To be fair, a lot of people said the same thing about Bush and given how the past eight years have gone, there was reason to be somewhat paranoid and skeptical.

There is no reason for paranoia - this is physical condition of the brain...
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11/12/2008  1:41 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sebstar:

You know what, WHERE IS PLAYA??? Call him whatever you want, but his theory that the Knicks were going to take Gallo at all costs seems pretty spot on.

Yeah and so is his theory that there would be no election because George Bush was going to extend his term.

lol, yeah duke had some thoughts in his head thats for sure. To be fair, a lot of people said the same thing about Bush and given how the past eight years have gone, there was reason to be somewhat paranoid and skeptical.

No doubt Seb. Here's the thing though. Other people didn't come to a Knicks forum and spread their paranoia in threads that had nothing to do with it multiple times a day. That's your difference.

I like playa, I've said that many times, I think he's a good dude and I don't think he meant anything malicious to anyone ever, but there gets to be a breaking point with the stuff he was saying...

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-12-2008 1:42 PM]
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11/12/2008  1:49 PM
There's still time for Bush to declare martial law, so we can't say for sure that playa was wrong.
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11/12/2008  3:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
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what did playa do to get banned?

I would say for his constant ranting on how there was going to be martial law and that there would be no election, and how George Bush was going to F' the country up beyond anyone's belief. He was doing it in every thread, seemingly and accusing all people for being nuts for not agreeing with it.

There was a point when some people actually did start to take his side.

this is why politics should never be discussed on a sports message forum... Alba pics on the other hand...
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11/12/2008  4:07 PM
I don't think playa can discuss anything other than conspiracy theories. If those discussions were banned, I don't think playa would even post so either way it's the same result.
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11/12/2008  4:17 PM
i never had a problem w/what playa posted... i saw it as comic relief & just 1 of his quirks, just like a lot of posters around here have their quirks... i post Alba pics on the regular & argue over fantasy trades that never happen... playa was never abusive towards other posters in the time i've witnessed, but then i usually avoid politics threads anyway so i might have missed something... anyway, every time u talk politics it usually degrades into name calling & insults anyway, i highly doubt playa was the only one guilty of this.
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11/12/2008  4:18 PM
My point was that he rarely discussed the Knicks. I would say 97% of his posts revolved around politics/conspiracy theories.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-12-2008 4:18 PM]
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11/12/2008  6:43 PM
Gallo is now feeling pain from his lower back down to the soles of his feet. His career might be over.
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11/12/2008  6:44 PM
if he was Australian he wouldn't be having these damn back problems... damn you Walsh!
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11/12/2008  6:49 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Gallo is now feeling pain from his lower back down to the soles of his feet. His career might be over.

LOL.
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11/13/2008  12:44 AM
So at what point does Walsh and D'Antoni tell Gallinari to stop with all the bull**** and suit up. How many specialist do you get to go to before someone in the front office say enough is enough. You have guys on your team playing with bone spurs and upper respiratory infections. You're 20 years old.

MEMPHIS — New tests have revealed no significant changes in Danilo Gallinari’s sore back, but they have provided no clear solutions, either, and the Knicks are sending him to a string of specialists to find an answer.

Gallinari will visit a specialist in New York on Thursday, followed by appointments with an unspecified number of doctors next week, according to a team spokesman. The Knicks will not have any conclusive information until the visits are complete.

“He just wants to get well,” Coach Mike D’Antoni said, “and he’s trying to see everybody he can, do everything he can do. As soon as he gets well, he’ll be back. Where it leads, no one knows. I don’t think we know.”

Gallinari has visited at least a half-dozen doctors in recent months, and none have recommended surgery, according to team officials. A magnetic resonance imaging test taken on Tuesday showed nothing new.

Gallinari injured his back in the Knicks’ first summer-league game in early July and was said by doctors to have a bulging disk. In October, team officials said the disk had begun to recede, which was taken as a promising sign. But the pain has persisted, prompting the Knicks to shut down Gallinari and search for new options.

Surgery has not been ruled out. But a spokesman said that Donnie Walsh, the team president, was not “overly concerned” at this point.

The Knicks selected Gallinari, a skilled big man, with the sixth pick in the June draft, in the hope that he could become a significant piece in their rebuilding efforts. D’Antoni has recently conceded that Gallinari’s rookie season might simply be devoted to getting healthy.

“Everybody’s baffled by it,” D’Antoni said of the lingering injury. “But again, there’s not a whole lot you can do right now except just have patience and wait until he gets over it. I would think at age 20, he’ll get over it, whatever it takes. At this point, I don’t think anybody knows.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/sports/basketball/13garden.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

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11/13/2008  12:46 AM
That's really weird. I know I have no idea when I say this, but when you listen to Danilo, it just really doesn't sound like he'd make something up like this. It SEEMS like he's a tough kid.

Does anyone have any idea what else could be wrong with him if the MRI doesnt show anything?
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11/13/2008  12:47 AM
Derrick Rose is able to play through his back pain.

Playing through sore back
Rose wants to get used to teammates
November 13, 2008
Derrick Rose said he enjoyed the massage on his sore back so much Monday that he fell asleep during it.

Rest assured the Mavericks' eyes have been awakened when it comes to Rose.

Exhibition or not, Dallas will remember how Rose lit them up with a 30-point, seven-assist performance Oct. 21 in which the rookie completely took over down the stretch of the Bulls' four-point preseason victory.

Despite not practicing, Rose said he planned on matching up against future Hall of Famer Jason Kidd and attempting an encore when the two teams meet Thursday night at the United Center. Kidd watched from the bench as Rose led the dramatic exhibition comeback.



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Derrick Rose in action Photos "I just want to play," Rose said. "We need some wins. I want to get used to my teammates. I don't care if I roll an ankle or whatever. There's no point in me sitting out."

Rose said he first felt symptoms before Tuesday night's game and figured they would subside and loosen after stretching and getting up and down the floor. Instead, the spasms in the upper right side of his back worsened to the point Rose stood during certain timeouts.

Still, the rookie never thought about leaving and had 26 points, 10 rebounds and six assists in 42 minutes.

"It's important for me to be on the floor so I can get used to everyone," Rose said.

Rose said he hadn't suffered back spasms since 7th grade at Beasley School, which, he laughed, isn't named for second overall pick Michael Beasley. He added he isn't worried about further damage by playing.

Coach Vinny Del Negro, however, is worried about his team's transition defense, which was non-existent Tuesday against Atlanta. Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah both vowed to play better following the brief practice Wednesday, which again featured only 10 Bulls.

"We have to get smarter in finding guys in transition," Del Negro said. "With [Kidd] pushing the ball, you better get back."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-13-bulls-bits-chicagonov13,0,3335815.story
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11/13/2008  12:57 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

That's really weird. I know I have no idea when I say this, but when you listen to Danilo, it just really doesn't sound like he'd make something up like this. It SEEMS like he's a tough kid.

Does anyone have any idea what else could be wrong with him if the MRI doesnt show anything?

Yes you are using the key word SEEMS. He is beginning to look more like the office douche.
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11/13/2008  12:57 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by nyk4ever:

That's really weird. I know I have no idea when I say this, but when you listen to Danilo, it just really doesn't sound like he'd make something up like this. It SEEMS like he's a tough kid.

Does anyone have any idea what else could be wrong with him if the MRI doesnt show anything?

Yes you are using the key word SEEMS. He is beginning to look more like the office douche.

lol. I just find it hard to imagine that when everyone from Italy was saying he was a tough player is wrong. I'm not saying they weren't lying or something, I'm just saying...
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11/13/2008  1:07 AM
I just wonder if he thinks there will be a perfect moment in his career that he will be pain free. I can understand if he is new to pain but he has been injured before. It is hard to feel sorry for someone complain about not being able to put on their "trousers" without pain while their teammates have grimmaces on their faces as they run up and down the court with various ailments. Somebody should show him a picture of Ewing with two ice bags on each knee before, during and after each game. And say "Man up"

[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-13-2008 01:08 AM]
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11/13/2008  1:37 AM
I contacted Alan Hahn regarding telling the Knicks front office about Dr. Sarno. People on this board think that back surgery will fix a "bad" back, but get this through your heads, if the MRI doesn't show enough of a bulge there is no sense in getting back surgery. Pain in general often has a psycho-somatic link and cutting away a little bulge will only WEAKEN the back. You can clearly see on an MRI if the bulge is impinging on the nerve. Well, I think it's very safe to say at this point that the nerve is not being impinged upon. And to throw a twister at you, many many people have impinged nerves with zero pain.

I am pretty sure his pain is very much connected to his mind. It's a very typical thing with bad backs. The muscle in the area is under near constant tension which then compresses the disc, when the tension is at it's greatest it can impinge upon the nerve. I really hope they get Gallo to Dr. Sarno and at least look at the possibility cause it's pretty clear after many back experts said he doesn't need surgery that HE DOESN'T NEED SURGERY. Move on to option two (Basically psychological).

I think I've seen one other person on the boards mention Dr. Sarno. For the sake of Gallo (and the team) they need to look at other alternatives instead of hoping for a doctor who will recommend back surgery when a few doctors have already said NO.

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11/13/2008  1:41 AM
Gallinari has visited at least a half-dozen doctors in recent months, and none have recommended surgery, according to team officials. A magnetic resonance imaging test taken on Tuesday showed nothing new.

Again, no one is recommending surgery. His back is not that physically bad. Look at his head...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/sports/basketball/13garden.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=login
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11/13/2008  3:49 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Gallinari has visited at least a half-dozen doctors in recent months, and none have recommended surgery, according to team officials. A magnetic resonance imaging test taken on Tuesday showed nothing new.

Again, no one is recommending surgery. His back is not that physically bad. Look at his head...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/sports/basketball/13garden.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=login

Could they at least cut open his head?



[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-13-2008 03:49]
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Posted by BRIGGS:

If I was a journalist--I would be looking into questions about when exactly Gallinari first had any type of symptom and if that time was before the draft.

You never heard anything about pre-existing back problems, and the clips you saw of Gallinari showed him as the type of player who played hard and took some hits, but kept on playing. It would seem that people generally consider the Knicks medical staff to be inept, but I doubt that they would have taken an injured player. They were also plenty of scouts who had seen him during the year, including many who were not working for the Knicks, and there were never any back problem rumors.

I really believe that his back problem began during the pre-seasons when he was lifting to get stronger. I've done some web research, and it seems that bulging discs can develop because of improper lifting. There was one pre-season article that referred to Gallinari as a "workout warrior." The Traylor hit on its own did not seem hard enough to cause a bulging disc. I would really like to have an idea of what kind of workouts he was doing leading up to the exhibition season. If any of you guys are serious lifters, I would like to know if this kind of thing is possible. He might have been doing certain exercises improperly (squats? dead lifts?) and hurt himself that way.

Assuming that the latest tests show his back is basically OK, I am in the psychological issue camp regarding his inability to play full speed. I think Gallinari is simply a kid who is going through some fear and doubt issues because he is in a situation he has never been in before, and he does not know when he will be getting better. He is probably afraid of re-injuring his back if he plays too hard, so any hint of pain is causing him to pull back.

I think he has to play through it, or just rest, and from what I see, shutting things down completely would be the best idea for him at this time.
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