Posted by Anji:

Yeah, the difference is the last 3 or four years Marbury has always played the good solider coming to a season and Blow up between games 5-16 in some way.

The problem with Mike D is he already nows Marbury, so it's like basically a convic showing up to the same judge for two different cases.

Posted by EWING33BXNY:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by EWING33BXNY:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by EWING33BXNY:

What has MARBURY done DURING the D'ANTONI/WALSH regime that he is the reason for all thats going wrong. He had no say in the benching. God forbid he came into the CLEAN SLATE ERA as a good soldier and now everything is his fault.

SO, did Marbury ask for the DNP's and the INACTIVE's or was that a decision that D'Antoni made and its all MARBURY's fault?

there's nothing on the apparent surface that marbury did this year.

i'm assuming that d'antoni is reacting based on a combination of:
• his past exposure to marbury in phoenix
• the positive responses of phoenix players to marbury’s departure
• his knowledge, like all nba people and fans have, of marbury's reputation here over the last few yearss
• his observations of marbury's impact on his current teammates

So Big Snacks, Zach, and everyone else has a CLEAN SLATE but not Marbury? A move like this even caught Walsh by surprise. This is just more personal than business. If that is the case what makes him any better than IT? Just for the simple reason he is standing his ground? Well so is Marbury but again he is the culprit for standing his ground. His past has him in trouble this year, but Zach has been the perfect citizen during his tenure in the league? This just doesn't make sense from a basketball stand point. If he is really moving on then the roster would have to be blown to pieces. All I want to see is the best we have on the court and that is not happening! All we have in D'Antoni is a younger LB.

nobody else on the roster appears to be universally disliked like marbury. nor disliked by all his former coaches. steph has made his bed by alienating a long list of former and current teammates, coaches and gm's.

Being liked has nothing to do with his actions on the court. When he starts bringing the drama THIS YEAR, then lets begin to ALIENATE him. At this time D'Antoni has no reason NOT to put him on the court. His past transgressions have nothing to do with a CLEAN SLATE. Hell, even Walsh had the idea he was going to get some minutes.

i've said on either this thread or another that i would have been fine with MDA playing steph as a reserve this year as long as steph responded. but i also would have been fine with just axing him. not this way ,though. you gotta get him the F off the team if you’re not gonna play him.

EWING33BXNY, my basic disagreement with you is this - steph has done enough damage in the past to justify not giving him a chance this year, you are correct that he has seemingly done nothing wrong so far this year. but he's s**t at the kitchen table so many times that people don't want to sit down and eat with him any longer. certainly mike d. doesn’t. very possibly a good number of his teammates don’t either. they have that right imo. and steph created all these conditions himself.

Posted by EWING33BXNY:

Posted by TMS:


it's like clockwork w/Marbs... he's got the good soldier act downpat before every season begins, always saying the right things, how he's excited about a new system & a new head coach... how the latest acquisitions are gonna vault their team to a championship... everyone on this team has done that... Marbs sets himself apart tho w/his ridiculous behavior & constant distractions off the court w/the media circus that follows him around everywhere he goes... that type of distraction is not a help to a new head coach who's trying to develop team chemistry.

The NEW HEAD COACH brought the distraction to himself by playing Marbury MAJOR MINUTES in the preseason then keeping him on the bench during the regular season. If he would have made this decision from the start then I would have gladly STFU. Plenty of Marbury haters (not all) were loving the fact that he came off the bench, contributed and played his part during the preseason. Now that he is not in the rotation EVERYTHING is his fault. I just don't understand, sorry!

Posted by GKFv2:

Isn't it funny it took 4 years to people to hate on Isiah and about 3 games into the season for everyone to jump on Walsh and D'Antoni? I find it hilarious.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by djsunyc:

the timeline as we know it...

- walsh says everyone gets a clean slate
- walsh asks steph to come into camp in great shape and compete for the starting job
- steph comes into camp in shape
- d'antoni names duhon starter right away
- steph plays all of preseason, about 20 mins a game
- season starts and steph is dnp-cd
- 2 days later he is inactive
- walsh says he doesn't know why steph was benched

the new york knicks - where disfunctionality happens...

worse happens in many other organizations. For refrence, look at the hawks during the Joe Johnson fiasco. One owner takes his money and leaves town he didn't like the trade at all. he and Knight were not even on speaking terms.

I am sure I can name many others, but this happens with professional sport franchises...

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by djsunyc:

the timeline as we know it...

- walsh says everyone gets a clean slate
- walsh asks steph to come into camp in great shape and compete for the starting job
- steph comes into camp in shape
- d'antoni names duhon starter right away
- steph plays all of preseason, about 20 mins a game
- season starts and steph is dnp-cd
- 2 days later he is inactive
- walsh says he doesn't know why steph was benched

the new york knicks - where disfunctionality happens...

worse happens in many other organizations. For refrence, look at the hawks during the Joe Johnson fiasco. One owner takes his money and leaves town he didn't like the trade at all. he and Knight were not even on speaking terms.

I am sure I can name many others, but this happens with professional sport franchises...

sure it does. but again, i think from knicks fans' POV, they thought this type of ish was over. it looks like mike pulled his juice card and walsh was sleeping at his desk for the past 5 days. meanwhile steph, surprisingly, has done nothing wrong in this situation.

Posted by oohah:

TKF, I wanted Mark Jackson.

Maybe this city would have manhandled him, but think about it: Jackson is from St. Albans Queens, Bishop Loughlin, St. Johns, New York, Knicks rookie of the Year, an All-star in New York, then he was completely turned on by the city and chewed up and spit out.

Then he showed up and kicked our asses for 10 years.

My point is Mark Jackson understands the dynamic of New York. He is New York. He would have been prepared for the media, the fans, and the drama. LB had been gone too long, he did not realize or did not care.

D'Antoni obviously does not have a firm grasp on what it means to be a coach in NYC and have every breath analyzed by the media. He did not realize that what he did in training camp could haunt him in game 1. He thought that he had a honeymoon period. He did have a honeymoon but in New York the honeymoon only lasts until the first loss. From watching his dealing with the Phoenix media I think he is a bit too reactionary for this town. A coach here has to stop reading the papers, and keep his cool. You can't start cursing the fans in game 1.

I hope he succeeds, because I really onnly care about the Knicks winning, but he better start learning fast. Because he has never seen anything like this before!

oohah

oohah, all of that is ridiculous man, with all due respect. All of this understanding NY is hogwash. Other than the Yankees and the giants recently, this city is full of self aggrandizing, loud mouth, obnoxious fans. If this were the yankees who won 4 championships over the past decade and a rich history of winning, then I can understand, but the knicks haven't won shyt!!! shyt!! not since what 1971/72? We haven't wont a damn thing, so all of this, learning NY, understanding how to play in NY.. Is just hogwash...!!! We need a culture change not just as team and franchise, but as fans!!! Learn to be patient, less judgmental, less agenda driven, and lets stop being so quick to turn on our own..

Then he showed up and kicked our asses for 10 years.

when? like the time we knocked their asses out of the playoff's with spree and Houston? or like his second go around here when we got him from toronto, chris childs busted his ass in the playoffs?

come on man. The knicks are not as great as a franchise as people in this city want to believe. We had some great moments in the 90's, great moments, I am proud of those days, but lets be real, what have we won? I am open to a new way, and new thinking, I know as New yorkers we feel we are these superior basketball fans, but honestly, I think have some knowledgeable fans, but they are the minority in NY. We have more fans who know less about basketball and more about being ignorant and beligerant and they feel because we had a team in the 90's that plodded , fouled acted tough and foolish at the same time, that we know what it takes to win. Ah, hogwash.. time for a change, a complete change. I am all for it, and I am willing to be a patient fan. Trying to find fault with professional, competent men like walsh and D'antoni is ridiculous, the remarks and pictures referring to walsh age and competency are childish and classless( I am not accusing you of this) and it just shows what type of silly, childish, entitlement filled, bipolar fan base we have here in this city..

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by tkf:

It is over, if not for the drama seeking media and fans like yourself rehashing the crap, it would not be much of an isssue...

but that's the way of the world. d'alsh knew this coming into this situation. they dropped the ball on how they handled it. no biggie, they need to fix it asap and move on...and learn from it.

drama is what it's all about.