Posted by 4949:

I only believe in giving them a chance. A good long look. I'm not foolish and I know, I didn't say you said that I was. The season is still very, very young and we really still don't know what we have yet. A few loses just remind people of were these Knicks came from. As long as the coach believes in them, then they have my support. I was reading the latest article and D'Antoni said that it seems that they didn't really believe they could win this game. It's psychological perhaps. And he also said that they have to get over that kind of thinking.

I totally agree. We fans need to talk more about 'what they can be' as opposed to what we already know what they were. Things can change and I'm still calling 40 wins. I also said that it will take them a couple weeks for them to get used to the system. So lets wait and see.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by 4949:

I only believe in giving them a chance. A good long look. I'm not foolish and I know, I didn't say you said that I was. The season is still very, very young and we really still don't know what we have yet. A few loses just remind people of were these Knicks came from. As long as the coach believes in them, then they have my support. I was reading the latest article and D'Antoni said that it seems that they didn't really believe they could win this game. It's psychological perhaps. And he also said that they have to get over that kind of thinking.

I totally agree. We fans need to talk more about 'what they can be' as opposed to what we already know what they were. Things can change and I'm still calling 40 wins. I also said that it will take them a couple weeks for them to get used to the system. So lets wait and see.

you're bolder than I. I predicted they'd win 33 games and I'm already starting to think that I overestimated them (for the 3rd straight seasons).

Posted by BigRedDog:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Chandler could be a really good player?? Or maybe just good?//


How can this team even win 30 games unless they shoot 20 footers well

I kind of thought EC would be back to his 20-7 form and benefit from a more open system

We are small not very athletic with no shooting we had the 6th pick in the draft on a 23 win team and he doesnt see PT and that is the problem---we really have scked in the draft--we need to FIRE people associated with us drafting

This is no do over team rebuilding team its just a team that scks.

At least he has an excuse. He was HURT. He is still just getting back in shape. you need to give him 1-2 months at least to judge him. Let look at the other potntial picks with #6. Eric gordon-can't get time on a bad clipper team. Alexander-can't get any pt. Augustin-who knows if he would be long term answer? Bayless-can't get pt-NOT a point guard. Randolph-deep on the bench in GS-not ready fot prime time. Etc, etc, yada, yada--there really was no one out there as a guaranteed answer. sure now you say Lopez but how many of you at the draft wanted any of the guys I mentioned above? Hindsight is 20/20.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=26248

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by nixluva:

So much wasted anger and emotion. It's a win win situation. If the team shows improvement GREAT! If not we get a lottery pick and keep building.

It's not so simple. What were are geared for is ~36 wins and a *poorly positioned* lottery pick.

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As far as the current roster goes, what we have a a couple of glue guys that are trying to hold together a bunch of overrated lunatics. When your best players are glue guys you can bet you're stuck.

Getting smoked at home by Milwaukee is not a sign of a 36 win team. I think we have been blown out 4 of the last 6 games back to pre-season. Teams have figured us out quick.
Can you imagine Q Rich--30-10 and we get smoked?

True. But you know how inconsistent this team is - they'll have their tantalizing little hot streak too, then fade, then get hot, then fade...

Posted by Bippity10:

This proves my offseason prediction, that everyone on this site thinks there is a magic coach that is going to turn the team around. Our team stinks and has for a long time. It will take more than a coach to turn things around. We need better players, better leaders and better winners. Until then, just watch and hope that all the young guys develop and maybe overachieve.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Bippity10:

This proves my offseason prediction, that everyone on this site thinks there is a magic coach that is going to turn the team around. Our team stinks and has for a long time. It will take more than a coach to turn things around. We need better players, better leaders and better winners. Until then, just watch and hope that all the young guys develop and maybe overachieve.

I think its moreso wanting a coach we can believe wholeheartedly in.

The Marbury thing earned Mike the love and adoration of the pure Steph-haters but it was deceitful to those that could care less about putting Steph in his place for past transgressions.

nyk likened hiring MDA to hiring Parcells. I disagree. Parcells football is a brand. You can trust it. Look how he handled the Ricky Williams situation. He was in the same boat as Marbury. Clean slate actually meant a clean slate and he let Ricky go out and prove he was committed to playing football this season.

What the heck are you babbling about?! This team is a bunch of role/bench players who dont mesh nor do they know how to win. Better yet, they aren't good enough to win. (Period) They couldn't win with Brown who has won a championship, couldn't win with Wilkins a hall of famer, couldn't win with Isiah, couldn't win with Herb, couldn't win with Chaney and so far they can't win with D'Antoni, former coach of the year. Different coaches same flaws. Inconsistant play, bonehead plays, uninspiring etc....its the roster not so much the coaches....

Posted by McK1:

Posted by VDesai:

Not sure the D'Antoni doesn't develop rookies is much of a relevant argument considering they hardly kept their picks.

I'd say its a falsehood to say that he can't develop young players as he inherited Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa as rookies/2nd year players and both clearly took big steps under him. Also Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw are young players acquired by Phoenix that took major steps forward in their game playing under D'Antoni.

The rest of the young players acquired were mostly marginal to begin with.

I think he's a guy who's clearly been succesful in a turnaround situation. I think we're a couple seasons away from having the roster flexbility Phoenix had by D'Antoni's second year.

Joe Johnson and Amare were already playing and improving under Frank Johnson.

The thing that changed for them under MDA was more shots with the Marbury trade and faster pace easy buckets thx to Nash.

Look at Amare 3 years later, he is the same player.

Very efficient and explosive scorer...not much else.

The same goes for Barbosa. When they aren't scoring they are not doing much else to keep you in the game

Diaw outside of his contract year has been nothing special

Joe became an all-star guard under Mike Woodson

Posted by anrst:

we are bad enough to compete for the #1 pick in the lotto!!!!!!!!! love it.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by VDesai:

Not sure the D'Antoni doesn't develop rookies is much of a relevant argument considering they hardly kept their picks.

I'd say its a falsehood to say that he can't develop young players as he inherited Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa as rookies/2nd year players and both clearly took big steps under him. Also Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw are young players acquired by Phoenix that took major steps forward in their game playing under D'Antoni.

The rest of the young players acquired were mostly marginal to begin with.

I think he's a guy who's clearly been succesful in a turnaround situation. I think we're a couple seasons away from having the roster flexbility Phoenix had by D'Antoni's second year.

Joe Johnson and Amare were already playing and improving under Frank Johnson.

The thing that changed for them under MDA was more shots with the Marbury trade and faster pace easy buckets thx to Nash.

Look at Amare 3 years later, he is the same player.

Very efficient and explosive scorer...not much else.

The same goes for Barbosa. When they aren't scoring they are not doing much else to keep you in the game

Diaw outside of his contract year has been nothing special

Joe became an all-star guard under Mike Woodson

You are 0 for 2.

Diaw wasn't even a rotational player until he got to Phoenix.

Barbosa is an open court player. He blossomed in D'Antoni's wide open offense. Isn't it the coaches job to put players in position to be successful? He's not a point, he's a scoring guard similar to Iverson when LB put him at the 2.

Joe Johnson was buried in Boston then traded. If Boston knew Johnson was that type of talent, would they have traded him? His game began to blossom in Phoenix. Money became an issue so he was traded. And it was the potential he showed in Phoenix that led to that big contract extention he received.

Stoudamire is better now, than he was before D'Antoni took over reigns.

And must forget Nash. He was no where near an MVP candidate until he played for D'Antoni.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by VDesai:

Not sure the D'Antoni doesn't develop rookies is much of a relevant argument considering they hardly kept their picks.

I'd say its a falsehood to say that he can't develop young players as he inherited Amare Stoudemire and Barbosa as rookies/2nd year players and both clearly took big steps under him. Also Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw are young players acquired by Phoenix that took major steps forward in their game playing under D'Antoni.

The rest of the young players acquired were mostly marginal to begin with.

I think he's a guy who's clearly been succesful in a turnaround situation. I think we're a couple seasons away from having the roster flexbility Phoenix had by D'Antoni's second year.

Joe Johnson and Amare were already playing and improving under Frank Johnson.

The thing that changed for them under MDA was more shots with the Marbury trade and faster pace easy buckets thx to Nash.

Look at Amare 3 years later, he is the same player.

Very efficient and explosive scorer...not much else.

The same goes for Barbosa. When they aren't scoring they are not doing much else to keep you in the game

Diaw outside of his contract year has been nothing special

Joe became an all-star guard under Mike Woodson

You are 0 for 2.

Diaw wasn't even a rotational player until he got to Phoenix.

Barbosa is an open court player. He blossomed in D'Antoni's wide open offense. Isn't it the coaches job to put players in position to be successful? He's not a point, he's a scoring guard similar to Iverson when LB put him at the 2.

Joe Johnson was buried in Boston then traded. If Boston knew Johnson was that type of talent, would they have traded him? His game began to blossom in Phoenix. Money became an issue so he was traded. And it was the potential he showed in Phoenix that led to that big contract extention he received.

Stoudamire is better now, than he was before D'Antoni took over reigns.

And must forget Nash. He was no where near an MVP candidate until he played for D'Antoni.