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10/23/2008  6:51 PM
Translation For The Hearing Impaired

What he said:“I don’t want to be a liability out there, so I didn’t really look too much at the rotation,” Curry said. “But not playing last game did kind of open my eyes a little bit.”

What he really meant: "When I didn't play in the first half I thought it was coach giving burn to the new guys. In the second half, after Wilson went down - I got the message"

What he said: "It’d be something I definitely wouldn’t be happy about,” Curry said of not playing once the season starts, and referred once more to D’Antoni. “Again, this is his team. He’s made it clear this is his team and he calls the shots.”

What he really meant: "If I suck, I sit"
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10/24/2008  10:20 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Cosmic - not all players are the same

(deep exhale) Chandler OK

"A precautionary x-ray on Wilson Chandler's left knee, which he sprained Tuesday night and also injured the next-to-last game of last season, revealed nothing more than that "mild" sprain, according to the team. This preseason's breakout performer is listed as day-to-day and will be re-evaluated Friday, the team said, the day of the Knicks' final preseason game against the Nets, in which he probably won't play."

Chris Duhon adds another subtle dimension to the roster. Competition for backcourt minutes.

There has not been this tytpe of depth in the backcourt in a long while. That competetion puts the so-called incumbents (Marbury and Crawford) on notice and it has a carry-over affect on the entire squad.

Cosmic - I'm not singing any praises, especially in the pre season. But the names have been changed (from 2007) to protect the innocent. Note how the puzzle parts are shifting under D'Antoni

Duhon - IN Marbury - slides over Crawford - OUT Nate - IN
Curry - OUT all the way to the inactive list Zach - back IN Lee - always IN
Jeffries - IN, hopefully by December

The Mayor - Totally IN, vote early and often

All I'm sayin' is that the D'Antoni challenge to player expectations (Marbury, Curry, Crawford) via direct appraisals, is one step in the right direction on the road of respect

Same enough for me to be hesitant that's all. I'm not getting sucked into "We're going to be awesome, it was just the coach, finally, we're going to roll and it's going to be fun!" warp of death again. I did it for six consecutive seasons, I didn't allow myself to do that last season, I won't allow it to happen this season.

I'll take what they give and if they play solid ball for a few months so be it.

It's more about the future team at this point not weather or not this current dysfunctional group can somehow pull their skill together and play their best: Of which is not going to be anything more than .500 play over a stretch of time.

Therefore again, what entertainment they provide will be good, but I'm not looking to be impressed the way the 90s Knicks impressed, this team has a long road to go and the final leg of the trip won't have more than a small handful of the same passengers as today.
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10/24/2008  10:22 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Translation For The Hearing Impaired

What he said:“I don’t want to be a liability out there, so I didn’t really look too much at the rotation,” Curry said. “But not playing last game did kind of open my eyes a little bit.”

What he really meant: "When I didn't play in the first half I thought it was coach giving burn to the new guys. In the second half, after Wilson went down - I got the message"

What he said: "It’d be something I definitely wouldn’t be happy about,” Curry said of not playing once the season starts, and referred once more to D’Antoni. “Again, this is his team. He’s made it clear this is his team and he calls the shots.”

What he really meant: "If I suck, I sit"

Curry is a disaster.

We should have either traded Zach in the offseason and then gone back to the Isiah way of force feeding Curry to put up 19/7 - then traded him ---- or gone to how Chicago used him those few seasons, constantly cutting toward the basket and feeding him in proper position.

Trying to make Curry run is a joke.
Trying to post Curry up is a joke.
Asking Curry to create for himself is a joke.
He's not a jump shooter, he's not a defender, he can't run, he can't create.

The guy doesn't fit whatsoever.

At best we can hope for is to use him off the bench with second units and use him how Chicago used him: Cutting to the rim from either the weak side or from the top of the key and then feed him when he's 3 feet away and running.

Otherwise offer him up for Etan Thomas or for Darko and call it a day.
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10/24/2008  12:16 PM
Cosmic - D'Antoni summed it up perfectly:

"It didn't take one day to get out of the rotation [and] it's not gonna take one day to get in, either."

Translation

The minutes Eddy leaves on the table will rollover to Danilo Gallinari and Jared Jeffries faster than you can say Kenny Walker.
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10/27/2008  4:00 PM
D'Antoni had a strong say in who deserved to stay.

Roberson is Marbury insurance.

You never know.
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10/28/2008  8:11 AM
Posted by misterearl:

D'Antoni had a strong say in who deserved to stay.

Roberson is Marbury insurance.

You never know.


Roberson is Marbury insurance the same way keeping 5 bucks in my wallet is health insurance. I can find 5 bucks. I don't need to keep it around in case I break my leg.

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10/28/2008  8:50 AM
oohah - your clumsy analogy misses the mark.

Don't be fooled by Roberson's pre season cameo. Walsh and D'Antoni have been monitoring Roberson since July. Ewing was a last-minute training camp throw in. Certainly, the dunks were fun and the energy is contagious. Jerome James is a villian. There is a lot of raw emotion. But you look at his position, with Chandler, Gallinari, Richardson (and Jeffries on the mend) and when exactly would Ewing see any light?

The Knicks needed another player with a jump shot.

I trust that Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni know what they are doing.

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10/28/2008  9:04 AM
Posted by misterearl:

oohah - your clumsy analogy misses the mark.

Don't be fooled by Roberson's pre season cameo. Walsh and D'Antoni have been monitoring Roberson since July. Ewing was a last-minute training camp throw in. Certainly, the dunks were fun and the energy is contagious. Jerome James is a villian. There is a lot of raw emotion. But you look at his position, with Chandler, Gallinari, Richardson (and Jeffries on the mend) and when exactly would Ewing see any light?

The Knicks needed another player with a jump shot.

I trust that Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni know what they are doing.

No, calling Roberson Marbury insurance is the clumsy metaphor. Roberson is to insurance for Marbury as my 5 bucks is insurance to my broken leg, in that my $5/Roberson is not "insurance" in any way whatsoever by any stretch of the imagination.

It has nothing to do with Ewing Jr. In what way does Roberson insure us against the loss of Marbury? If Marbury is benched or cut tomorrow does Roberson get his minutes? How many minutes does Roberson play when that happens? 5 minutes a game maybe? Those minutes will be swallowed up by Duhon, Crawford, Robinson, Collins, Chandler.

As a matter of fact we can certainly find better "Marbury insurance" off the waiver wire at any time during the year. Dan Dickau is more Marbury insurance than Roberson is. Smush Parker is more Marbury insurance than Roberson. There are tons of better shooters available at any moment who have actually contributed to teams in the NBA. The list goes on. Don't believe everything you read or everything Walsh utters.

Trust all you want, but please try again with that Marbury insurance nonsense, because Roberson ain't and never will be Marbury insurance. Come better.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled blind support of everything Walsh does.

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10/28/2008  9:37 AM
oohah - did you say Dan Dickau? That alone is a flagrant foul.

Blind support of Walsh? C'mon dude, the guy hasn't been in position for six months and you are ready with the pitchforks and torches already?

The season doesn't start until tomorrow night and I'm perfectly willing to allow D'Antoni and Walsh at least three years to fill in the framework of their blueprint. I'd rather waste my time hoping that Danilo Gallinari's back doesn't make him double over in pain and that Wilson Chandler's knee can take the pounding of his rough landings after soaring dunks.

Kvetching over each and every roster move is not my bag baby.

Walsh knows what he is doing.
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10/28/2008  10:00 AM
Posted by misterearl:

oohah - did you say Dan Dickau? That alone is a flagrant foul.

Blind support of Walsh? C'mon dude, the guy hasn't been in position for six months and you are ready with the pitchforks and torches already?

The season doesn't start until tomorrow night and I'm perfectly willing to allow D'Antoni and Walsh at least three years to fill in the framework of their blueprint. I'd rather waste my time hoping that Danilo Gallinari's back doesn't make him double over in pain and that Wilson Chandler's knee can take the pounding of his rough landings after soaring dunks.

Kvetching over each and every roster move is not my bag baby.

Walsh knows what he is doing.

Dan Dickau has been an NBA player for several years while Roberson has been a pretty good Euro-player. Dickau may not look the part, but it is pretty indisputable that he is more of an NBA player than Roberson has ever been.

"I trust that Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni know what they are doing." = Blind Support.

Personally, I don't trust jack shizzle. They may know what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I am going to agree with everything they do!

Now, Répète après moi: "Monsieur Roberson is a Euro-player and not really NBA material..."


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10/28/2008  10:34 AM
"I knew Tiny Archibald, you sir are no Tiny Archibald..."

oohah - No matter how much I try, I cannot bring myself to engage in a scholarly debate on the virtues of Dan Dickau.

I refuse to have bitter beer face on October 28. Hell, if you can't express blind support on the eve of a new season with a new General Manager and brand spanking new Head Coach, when can you express it? When they win?

Heck, any frontrunner can do that. Give me the blindly loyal fans who stand up idespite the teeth of a biting, cold wind and stand tall with their beloved Knicks waving threadbare Marcus Camby Sheik Towels.

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10/28/2008  10:57 AM
I root for my team under all circumstances.

Approve, rationalize, and excuse every move? That is another case altogether.

Lessgo Knicks, **** Pat Riley!

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10/28/2008  11:17 AM
oohah - the real chess moves, the ones that will determine the next Knicks decade, have not been consummated.

2008 - define a new playing personality

2009 - Gallinari and Chandler find their collective voice

2010 - forget Lebron, the Knicks lock down a killer guard, the fast break is a thing of beauty

2011 - Eastern Conference Finals

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10/28/2008  10:40 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by misterearl:

oohah - did you say Dan Dickau? That alone is a flagrant foul.

Blind support of Walsh? C'mon dude, the guy hasn't been in position for six months and you are ready with the pitchforks and torches already?

The season doesn't start until tomorrow night and I'm perfectly willing to allow D'Antoni and Walsh at least three years to fill in the framework of their blueprint. I'd rather waste my time hoping that Danilo Gallinari's back doesn't make him double over in pain and that Wilson Chandler's knee can take the pounding of his rough landings after soaring dunks.

Kvetching over each and every roster move is not my bag baby.

Walsh knows what he is doing.

Dan Dickau has been an NBA player for several years while Roberson has been a pretty good Euro-player. Dickau may not look the part, but it is pretty indisputable that he is more of an NBA player than Roberson has ever been.

"I trust that Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni know what they are doing." = Blind Support.

Personally, I don't trust jack shizzle. They may know what they are doing, but that doesn't mean I am going to agree with everything they do!

Now, Répète après moi: "Monsieur Roberson is a Euro-player and not really NBA material..."


oohah
Instead of Dickau, I believe Fred Jones is still available. He shot 38.5% from the 3 pt last year for us. And he hustled.
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10/28/2008  10:43 PM
Getting back to the title of the thread, D'A and coachig.....here is a quote from the NY Times - by Howard Beck. Doc Rivers gives D'A a lot of credit for the change he already sees in the Knicks! Our Knicks are going tosurprise a lot of people.
Opponents say they can see traces of the Suns’ offensive DNA in the Knicks. The most obvious difference is that, lacking an All-Star point guard who can dominate the ball, the Knicks are forced to keep it moving until someone finds an open shot.

Doc Rivers, the Boston Celtics’ coach, said the Knicks might even be better suited to run the offense, because they have an abundance of skilled players who can pass and create shots. But the biggest change Rivers noticed during the preseason had nothing to do with tempo or style.

“They were happy,” he said. “It was a happy group. They were playing together. And to me, it makes a big difference.”

A better system and better vibes should make the Knicks more respectable in the short term. True progress will require a high-priced star or two. Until then, D’Antoni will settle for a few bargain overachievers
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10/29/2008  1:35 PM
It's Not Who Finishes But Who Starts

D'Antoni, by sliding Marbury to the bench and Eddy out of the rotation, has changed the dynamic and energy of the starting lineup that was sluggish too many first quarters last season. The nine man rotation is settled for the moment:

Duhon takes responsibility for managing the flow and ball movement is crisper

Jamal, discouraged from the Curly Neal Show, becomes more selective witih his shot

Quentin is considered "glue" and gets the quick hook if he struggles

David Lee is David Lee and runs the floor effectively

Zach is free to hit the open man and rebounds with passion

The Mayor flourishes in the open court and The Garden rocks when he takes off

Marbury, suddenly a supporting cast member, learns the inner peace of being a Pine Brother

Malik Rose, sans a jump shot, gives more heart and soul than Eddy Curry (who is traded or released) and for that he is respected

Nate makes the All Star team.
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10/29/2008  4:17 PM
What He Really Said

"I want a core of nine guys that are going to play; it may be 10 or it may be eight," D'Antoni said earlier in camp. "But once I get that core, I'm making sure that everybody in that core gets a lot of minutes to where they're really comfortable about playing. And once I get there, it's hard to get out of that core and hard to get in."

Translation: "If Danilo hits his first jump shot tonight, it's on an poppin'!"

Quentin Richardson is just one more 2-11 from the field from joining Eddy Curry at the end of the pine
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Quentin Richardson is just one more 2-11 from the field from joining Eddy Curry at the end of the pine

And then it is Mardy time!







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10/31/2008  8:02 AM
NYPost = Fox News

This rag is never interested in journalism. It's only purpose is to stir interest with extreme opinions. The slimy NY Post is also home to Marc Berman.

Berman can write what he wants but his angle is transparent

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First game and both Curry and Marbury get a DNP-CD. Even if the Knicks don't win another game all year, D'Antoni should be named Coach of the Year!
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11/11/2008  10:43 AM
"I think Chris Duhon is a hell of a point guard," D'Antoni said. "I think he does a lot of little things that people don't see. If you don't study tape, you don't grasp what he does. I'm comfortable with certain guys. That's how I want to go."

hey, maybe Chris Duhon does not suck that bad after all
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