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oohah
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10/11/2008  6:19 PM
I think he'll take it. If he plays close to what he's been playing here you are talking 80-90mm.

So basically you think that Lee will command Elton Brand type of money? He's a franchise player? Lee alone makes a bad team good?

BRIGGS, just think about what you are saying and the implications. If the Knicks give Lee that kind of money, then we'll have 5-6 years of guys crying about how Lee doesn't deserve his contract because he isn't a franchise talent(And he won't deserve a contract that big), it will be Allan Houston all over again except Lee is not as good as Allan Houston was.

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[Edited by - oohah on 11-10-2008 6:31 PM]
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10/11/2008  6:21 PM
Man, I can't understand how you guys have such short memories. Do you even remember what you ate for dinner last night?

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10/11/2008  6:36 PM
Posted by oohah:

[quote]I think he'll take it. If he plays close to what he's been playing here you are talking 80-90mm.

So basically you think that Lee will command Elton Brand type of money? He's a franchise player? Lee alone makes a bad team good?

BRIGGS, just think about what you are saying and the implications. If the Knicks give Lee that kind of money, then we'll have 5-6 years of guys crying about how Lee doesn't deserve his contract because he isn't a franchise talent(And he won't deserve a contract that big), it will be Allan Houston all over again except Lee is not as good as Allan Houston was.

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60mm is a no-brainer with Lee--look at his market Biendrins got 60 Ok4 got 72 Lee could easily be better than both of those guys. He's already worth 60--if he plays the way he played the first two nights he's worth 90


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10/11/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.

If I was David Lee agent--I would ask for the max. I would ask who is more valuable to you Zach or David?


This is absurd. Who is more valuable? We are talking cost, not value... of course Lee is more value... would you pay Randolph the same amount again? Clearly not. Otherwise people would be on this board talking about what a great contract Randolph has... you can't benchmark Randolph as the contract that the Knicks should be dishing out. Chris Paul gets max dollars...Lebron gets max dollars... Lee does not get max dollars... he gets a 3 year deal as a role player... not "the man" dollars on a contender... lets lost the NY-centric view on this... if he needs those kinds of dollars to stay in NY, see what kind of draft pick you can get in a sign and trade for contracts expiring in 2010. Giving Lee max dollars would make him the next Allan Houston...sure you are rewarding a great teamate and good player... but you will make the fans resent his paycheck when he has an off night. Let's keep things in the right ballpark...
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10/11/2008  6:41 PM
Posted by oohah:
I think he'll take it. If he plays close to what he's been playing here you are talking 80-90mm.

it will be Allan Houston all over again except Lee is not as good as Allan Houston was.

oohah

[Edited by - oohah on 11-10-2008 6:31 PM]

Oh God! What a joke! houston wasn't even there to earn the money, that's how good Lee is.
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10/11/2008  6:47 PM
Posted by oohah:

Man, I can't understand how you guys have such short memories. Do you even remember what you ate for dinner last night?

oohah

We're on the verge of having a pretty good offense to talk about and all you wanna do is complain about someone's contract. It's not like the topic is here yet. Lee's worth about 50 million right now and why does the contract have to be for six years anyways?

And my memories good. I remember how the houston contract got us into this mess in the first place. And then they let that broken bum have another tryout. Now you got me going!
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10/11/2008  6:52 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by oohah:

[quote]I think he'll take it. If he plays close to what he's been playing here you are talking 80-90mm.

Lee will command Elton Brand type of money? He's a franchise player?

Lee isn't even worth Brand money right now and may never be. Hell, Marbury isn't even worth Marbury money and the real problem here is 'curry and Q make 8 to 9 million a year. And Lee's way better then both of them combined. isiah should have worked Lee more minutes, before he signed Zach, who's contract gets worse and worse as the seasons go by. In his last year, it will be hard to buy him out, making 17 million plus, if it comes down to that.

I'm hoping the D'Antoni system solves all of these questions and more, so we don't have to deal with money again. At least not under an 'abnormal' way anyway.
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10/11/2008  6:54 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:
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? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.

If I was David Lee agent--I would ask for the max. I would ask who is more valuable to you Zach or David?


This is absurd. Who is more valuable? We are talking cost, not value... of course Lee is more value... would you pay Randolph the same amount again? Clearly not. Otherwise people would be on this board talking about what a great contract Randolph has... you can't benchmark Randolph as the contract that the Knicks should be dishing out. Chris Paul gets max dollars...Lebron gets max dollars... Lee does not get max dollars... he gets a 3 year deal as a role player... not "the man" dollars on a contender... lets lost the NY-centric view on this... if he needs those kinds of dollars to stay in NY, see what kind of draft pick you can get in a sign and trade for contracts expiring in 2010. Giving Lee max dollars would make him the next Allan Houston...sure you are rewarding a great teamate and good player... but you will make the fans resent his paycheck when he has an off night. Let's keep things in the right ballpark...

I think any good agent would ask for the maximum for Lee.
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10/11/2008  6:55 PM
And what is the max?
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10/11/2008  7:06 PM
Oh God! What a joke! houston wasn't even there to earn the money, that's how good Lee is.

Houston played the next 3 years with that contract and retired for the first time in 2005.

So I guess the answer is: You can't remember what you had for dinner last night!

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10/11/2008  7:08 PM
We're on the verge of having a pretty good offense to talk about and all you wanna do is complain about someone's contract.

Complaining? No, I am warning you money happy nutjobs who want to give Lee Elton Brand money. You will be the one complaining if he gets the contract and you see he isn't worth anywhere near that kind $$$ , I'd bet your house on it!

At least Houston could keep the Knicks respectable by himself.

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[Edited by - oohah on 11-10-2008 7:09 PM]
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10/11/2008  7:49 PM
Look no one really should be looking to just give Lee extra money for no reason, but there's nothing wrong with paying him what he's worth. That will be determined at the end of this year, so that's when it should be addressed. Let him go out and have the kind of year many of us think he's gonna have and then let the negotiations begin.

He says he wants to be here so let's see how much he really wants to be here. Can you say hometown discount? I think he can give a little in an effort to help the team be able to get that big FA we need win a title.
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10/11/2008  8:06 PM
Hometown discount is a myth. Maybe once a guy is a veteran who has already earned $100 mil, he'll go back to his hometown for a discount. That's the only time it really happens.
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10/11/2008  9:26 PM
No one is taking the current economic crisis into consideration. All these contracts need to be down graded. No way in hell would I give Lee more than 42 over 6 years. This guy hasn't given a decent season since he has been a Knick and you want to give him 60 million. No way in hell do I give Lee that kind of money until he proves he is deserving of it. He isn't Okafor who was a second overall pick. No way is Lee worth more than 42 over 6 if he thinks he deserves more then go look for a better offer because it won't come no one is going to give that absurd amount of cash in this current economic situation of the US especially other cities which are feling it more than New York.
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10/11/2008  9:36 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Look no one really should be looking to just give Lee extra money for no reason, but there's nothing wrong with paying him what he's worth. That will be determined at the end of this year, so that's when it should be addressed. Let him go out and have the kind of year many of us think he's gonna have and then let the negotiations begin.

He says he wants to be here so let's see how much he really wants to be here. Can you say hometown discount? I think he can give a little in an effort to help the team be able to get that big FA we need win a title.

Exactly just what is Lee worth he definitley hasn't played an entire season as a starter and he definitely hasn't produced consistent number other than rebounding. Lee isn't deserving of a ridiculous contract he isn't a max player and he isn't even a second teir type player. He is deserving of a decent contract in the range of 40-42 million over 6 years.

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10/11/2008  10:09 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PhilinLA:

? He has been a double double machine since we got him and now that he has a jumper, people want to wait to see him in the regular season? Wow.

If I was David Lee agent--I would ask for the max. I would ask who is more valuable to you Zach or David?


This is absurd. Who is more valuable? We are talking cost, not value... of course Lee is more value... would you pay Randolph the same amount again? Clearly not. Otherwise people would be on this board talking about what a great contract Randolph has... you can't benchmark Randolph as the contract that the Knicks should be dishing out. Chris Paul gets max dollars...Lebron gets max dollars... Lee does not get max dollars... he gets a 3 year deal as a role player... not "the man" dollars on a contender... lets lost the NY-centric view on this... if he needs those kinds of dollars to stay in NY, see what kind of draft pick you can get in a sign and trade for contracts expiring in 2010. Giving Lee max dollars would make him the next Allan Houston...sure you are rewarding a great teamate and good player... but you will make the fans resent his paycheck when he has an off night. Let's keep things in the right ballpark...

I think any good agent would ask for the maximum for Lee.

No harm in asking, I guess. But, I think Lee is more likely to command Drew Gooden money.... 3 years/23 mill. Maybe a little more... but max contract is out of reach... Lee doesn't play defense and I think his '20/10' prediction will be tougher against top starters... we are talking about a guy who has not really started and predicting he is a max contract player because he can now (in pre-season) know down a 14 ft jumper. Still doesn't play defense. I think he is awesome and want to see him continue to develop, but if I am choosing between paying someone like Chris Bosh or Chris Paul max money and David Lee max money... I think the choice is clear... he hasn't even made an all-star team...
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10/11/2008  10:42 PM
Posted by oohah:
Oh God! What a joke! houston wasn't even there to earn the money, that's how good Lee is.

Houston played the next 3 years with that contract and retired for the first time in 2005.

So I guess the answer is: You can't remember what you had for dinner last night!

oohah

I didn't have dinner last night. I fell asleep.

He played 3 years? Why wasn't that nice of him!

What about the next four? Huh? Huh? Huh? Lunatic!

The only thing that blow ever did for us was 'the bounce'. Yeah, the bounce is what got him that 100 million. Do you even remember that?
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10/11/2008  10:45 PM
Posted by oohah:
We're on the verge of having a pretty good offense to talk about and all you wanna do is complain about someone's contract.

Complaining? No, I am warning you money happy nutjobs who want to give Lee Elton Brand money. You will be the one complaining if he gets the contract and you see he isn't worth anywhere near that kind $$$ , I'd bet your house on it!

oohah

[Edited by - oohah on 11-10-2008 7:09 PM]

Warning me? Nope, nobody warns me! I already understand. Okay you cry baby. Let's just give him 50 mil for five years and be done with it.
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10/11/2008  10:46 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Look no one really should be looking to just give Lee extra money for no reason, but there's nothing wrong with paying him what he's worth. That will be determined at the end of this year, so that's when it should be addressed. Let him go out and have the kind of year many of us think he's gonna have and then let the negotiations begin.

He says he wants to be here so let's see how much he really wants to be here. Can you say hometown discount? I think he can give a little in an effort to help the team be able to get that big FA we need win a title.

Exactly. Oohah calls us nut jobs and the debate isn't for another several months.
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10/11/2008  10:49 PM
Posted by Vmart:

No one is taking the current economic crisis into consideration.

Sports is gonna make it's money no matter what happens. It's one of the oldest and dearest forms of entertainment America has. When the Great Depression was going on, people went to the movies or stage shows called Vaudeville. It was a way to keep their minds off of the depressing times.
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