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Thinking out loud: How bout Josh howard for Eddy Curry
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9/23/2008  9:46 PM
I think it's about time to get over it.

You miss the point and it shows that you are unable to see outside of yourself.

I don't hold anyone of German descent culpable for their ancestors actions.

Doesn't apply and is irrelevant. However, go check out the thread in the OT forum about Allianz putting their name no the stadium the Giants play in.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=28166

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--->Are people of color wrong to be upset about the conditions that have been presented to them by Western imperialism and colonialism?


Are millions of Jews wrong to be upset that their ancestors were nearly wiped out by Nazi Germany? Unfortunately the history of the world exhibits multiple cultures religions and creeds that have been oppressed. I think it's about time to get over it. I don't hold anyone of German descent culpable for their ancestors actions.

You honestly sound like a dude who would agree with Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The funny thing is if they had one minor opening they'd loft 1000 nuclear bombs into the US without thinking about it.

How can oppressed people get over somehting that isn't over yet? Sure its not as blatant or as rampart as in the past, but people of color are still oppressed today not just in history.

I just read a story that there are so many views on racial relations that it's very hard to guage a pure view. Do white people force African Americans to live in a housing complex filled with drugs and crime? Why does Bracks Obama have such a great chance at becoming President? There is a big gap there and in there lies the answer. If an African American has the ability to become president of the US--if an African American has the right to go to any educational institution in the USA, if an African American has the right to live and work where he/she wants--then there is a huge difference between today and a long time ago. Is there white racists yep is there african american racists yep is there latino racists yep and on down the line. BUT I don't see the African American being held back by anyone but himself.
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9/23/2008  10:37 PM
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I just read a story that there are so many views on racial relations that it's very hard to guage a pure view. Do white people force African Americans to live in a housing complex filled with drugs and crime? Why does Bracks Obama have such a great chance at becoming President? There is a big gap there and in there lies the answer. If an African American has the ability to become president of the US--if an African American has the right to go to any educational institution in the USA, if an African American has the right to live and work where he/she wants--then there is a huge difference between today and a long time ago. Is there white racists yep is there african american racists yep is there latino racists yep and on down the line. BUT I don't see the African American being held back by anyone but himself.

African Americans had the RIGHT according to law to do a lot of things in this country all along, but we all know how that worked out. There's always been more to it than that.

How many generations of Africans do you think lived under the brutal slave system in the Americas and Carribean? Then they had to also live thru the Jim Crow Laws in the U.S.? All the years during my lifetime things have very gradually improved, but the scales are still not balanced. ie look at the college head coaching situation. Arrest and prison rates etc.

Unlike every other immigrant to this country we don't have any ties to our ancestral home, language, family name etc. families were ripped apart, males immasculated, women raped for over two hundred years in America in particular and longer than that in the Carribean!!!! In my lifetime alone i've seen and experienced things you'd be furious about, but had to deal with it, as millions of other African Americans have. My Great Grandmother died at 97 yrs old not many years ago and was the child of slaves, There wasn't any aspect of life for those hundreds of years that wasn't harder for Slaves and their descendants than everyone else.

What is my point? Well the system and circumstances of life for slaves and their descendants has created a culture which we see the results of even now. You can't treat a nation of people as inferior and tell them their inferior for a few hundred years and then expect them to not have self esteem issues, self loathing and all sort of social problems.

Oh and even now there are places a Black person can't live or school they can't attend in this country. The racism is more subtle and nuanced now. Don't believe the propaganda that things are all open and fair in this country. This is coming from a man who has been successful and rose up from the problems that face the Black community.
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Oh and even now there are places a Black person can't live or school they can't attend in this country. The racism is more subtle and nuanced now. Don't believe the propaganda that things are all open and fair in this country.

I'm sorry where can an African American not live or go to school? No subterfuge either--tell me a town --let's say in CT where an African American family can't live work and go to school?
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9/23/2008  10:51 PM
Do white people force African Americans to live in a housing complex filled with drugs and crime?

Jesus Christ is that a serious statement?!
BUT I don't see the African American being held back by anyone but himself.

Of course you don't because you're living up on the hill.

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9/23/2008  10:57 PM
for Cosmic:

Goddam Racist Josh Howard Spewing hate at all the white kids he hates so much:



Here is Josh Howard being a "POS" by helping more kids:



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I'll bet Josh Howard has done more to help kids of any color more than anybody on this thread times 10, and that is an ultra-conservative estimate.

He runs a couple of camps that for underprivileged kids and he sinks his own money into them.

I don't know the guy, so I don't know if he is prejudiced or whatever and neither do you. As far as any person who doesn't have an agenda can tell, his biggest problems are that he enjoys smoking some weed and he is very poor at articulating his social views.

As far as Cosmic saying he would not want Howard for Curry, that is just insane. Say whatever you want about Howard's character, he is better by far than Curry, even if he didn't play as well recently as he had in previous years.

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9/23/2008  11:03 PM
I'm sorry where can an African American not live or go to school? No subterfuge either--tell me a town --let's say in CT where an African American family can't live work and go to school?

You're being obtuse. There are neighborhoods in New York and Coops as well where a black person doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into unless their name is Oprah or Bill Cosby. Plenty of schools and companies like that too. You're obviously fooled by some token program that lets in 1-2 kids a year so they can say they have a minority student.

In fact, I believe their are country clubs in existence right now that officially don't allow blacks. I'd have to do some research, but never mind because you wouldn't believe it because you think that racism and cultural oppression ended in 1965 and it magically all disappeared with a finger snap.

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BUT I don't see the African American being held back by anyone but himself.

This is in response to one of the craziest statements I have read on UK:

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http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/24/study-black-man-and-white-felon-same-chances-for-hire/

Study: Black man and white felon - same chances for hire



Devah Pager
Princeton University


Is racial discrimination a thing of the past?

Debates about the relevance of discrimination in today’s society have been difficult to resolve, in part because of the challenges in identifying, measuring, and documenting its presence or absence in all but extreme cases. Discrimination is rarely something that can be observed explicitly.

To address these issues, I recently conducted a series of experiments investigating employment discrimination. In these experiments, which took place in Milwaukee and New York City, I hired young men to pose as job applicants, assigning them resumes with equal levels of education and experience, and sending them to apply for real entry-level job openings all over the city.

Team members also alternated presenting information about a fictitious criminal record (a drug felony), which they “fessed up to” on the application form. During nearly a year of fieldwork, teams of testers audited hundreds of employers, applying for a wide range of entry level jobs such as waiters, sales assistants, laborers, warehouse workers, couriers, and customer service representatives.

The results of these studies were startling. Among those with no criminal record, white applicants were more than twice as likely to receive a callback relative to equally qualified black applicants. Even more troubling, whites with a felony conviction fared just as well, if not better, than a black applicant with a clean background.


Racial disparities have been documented in many contexts, but here, comparing the two job applicants side by side, we are confronted with a troubling reality: Being black in America today is just about the same as having a felony conviction in terms of one’s chances of finding a job.

The young black men posing as job applicants in this study were bright college kids, models of discipline and hard work; and yet, even in this best case scenario, these applicants were routinely overlooked simply on the basis of the color of their skin. The results of this study suggest that black men must work at least twice as hard as equally qualified whites simply to overcome the stigma of their skin color.

What is being done to combat discrimination? Unfortunately, very little enforcement exists for acts of discrimination at the point of hire. The adequate enforcement of antidiscrimination laws represents an vital priority.

At the same time, it is important to remember that the problems of discrimination cannot be eliminated through enforcement alone. Racial stereotypes, though often exaggerated distortions of reality, are fueled in part by real associations between race, crime, and incarceration. Tackling these social problems at their root—including inadequate schools, neighborhood instability, and a lack of employment opportunities—are likely to represent among the most far-reaching interventions.

Discrimination is not the only cause of contemporary racial discrimination, nor even the most important factor. But because it is usually so difficult to observe, it is easy to forget about altogether. It is important that we remain mindful of the realities of direct discrimination, so that those who are working hard to get ahead are given a fair break.


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Come join us in reality BRIGGS.

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9/23/2008  11:08 PM
Posted by oohah:
I'm sorry where can an African American not live or go to school? No subterfuge either--tell me a town --let's say in CT where an African American family can't live work and go to school?

You're being obtuse. There are neighborhoods in New York and Coops as well where a black person doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into unless their name is Oprah or Bill Cosby. Plenty of schools and companies like that too. You're obviously fooled by some token program that lets in 1-2 kids a year so they can say they have a minority student.

In fact, I believe their are country clubs in existence right now that officially don't allow blacks. I'd have to do some research, but never mind because you wouldn't believe it because you think that racism and cultural oppression ended in 1965 and it magically all disappeared with a finger snap.

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Country clubs? I asked can you name 1 only 1 town in the state of Conneticut where an African American family can't live work and go to school?
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9/23/2008  11:11 PM
Samuel L. Jackson relates racist encounter at Mississippi country club

Actor Samuel L. Jackson, who is starring in the Deep South thriller A Time To Kill, got a taste of racism while he was in Mississippi filming the movie.

When Jackson showed up at a country club with a membership card given to him by the movie's producers to play golf, "the club members said, `Wait a minute. Nobody said a Black man was going to be here,' " Jackson said in a Chicago Sun-Times article.

Soon he and an assistant had the entire golf course to themselves. "Weeks went by until the members started to come near us. They got to know us as people and not just those `niggers' who play golf."

Jackson went on to say: "One guy actually told me, `Yeah, I'd love to play with you. I ain't gotta like you to play.' Then this good ol' boy told me, `You know, two years ago, I woulda got killed for doin' this.' I said, `Doing what? He said, `Playing golf out here like this in public.' I said, "Why would they shoot you?' He said, `Because I am with you.' "

Jackson said he encounters discrimination in Hollywood too. "Do you ever see me kissing a woman in a movie? Never," he said. "Black actors usually don't get those scenes."

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9/23/2008  11:12 PM
Country clubs? I asked can you name 1 only 1 town in the state of Conneticut where an African American family can't live work and go to school?

It's a stupid question that is masking its stupidity in the literal as opposed to the realistic.

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I have abetter question for you BRIGGS. You live in a upper-class neighborhood in connecticut right? How many black people live there? (Not live in workers)

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9/23/2008  11:38 PM
Oohah it's nice to see you subscribe to the Mark Cuban school of deflection through deception but I'm not buying it.

What you have posted Josh doing is a completely isolated situation from his most recent actions.

The previous does not absolve him from criticism relating to his present action.

Nice try, though.
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9/23/2008  11:51 PM
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Oohah it's nice to see you subscribe to the Mark Cuban school of deflection through deception but I'm not buying it.

What you have posted Josh doing is a completely isolated situation from his most recent actions.

The previous does not absolve him from criticism relating to his present action.

Nice try, though.

You calling him a Racist POS is a "criticism relating to his present actions"? what present actions? He said something stupid at worst.

That is what you are calling it?

Not a nice try though, I guess it is a try.

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I have abetter question for you BRIGGS. You live in a upper-class neighborhood in connecticut right? How many black people live there? (Not live in workers)

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There are people of every race who live here without problems crime etc.. and many more come up to take advantage of the beautiful camping grounds at Hammonasset. There is no sign that says Chinese can only use 1/4 of the beach black can't eat here etc... You are way off and living 30 years ago. There is no barrier to entry to live here for any person or family.
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9/23/2008  11:52 PM
Oh yeah, and theoretically you would prefer to keep Eddie Curry over obtaining Howard.

Crazy.

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There are people of every race who live here without problems crime etc.. and many more come up to take advantage of the beautiful camping grounds at Hammonasset. There is no sign that says Chinese can only use 1/4 of the beach black can't eat here etc... You are way off and living 30 years ago. There is no barrier to entry to live here for any person or family.

Since you can't answer the question, I guess that means you haven't seen one.

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9/23/2008  11:58 PM
You are way off and living 30 years ago. There is no barrier to entry to live here for any person or family.

Since you obviously skipped it, look a few posts up at the article I posted about a recent study that showed a black man with a college education will be considered the equal or lesser candidate than a white man with a drug felony.

Please don't tell me I am living 30 years in the past because you don't live in the real world BRIGGS.

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can we please keep the talk of the plight of slaves in the late 1800's & of ex-Holocaust victims out of this discussion? i think just about every ethnic group can point to a time in history when their race was exploited, their women raped, & their men emasculated by the majority throughout history - Black, Asian, Jews, Irish, Native American, you can go on down the line.

what Josh Howard said was moronic & unpatriotic but in no way shape or form is it racist... what he said was "I'm black, I don't celebrate that ****"... it boggles my mind where someone could get the notion that he's really saying he hates white people there... the racist a-holes that called him the N word & made fun of his ethicity on the other hand, there is a clear & absolute display of racist hate.
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by oohah:

I have abetter question for you BRIGGS. You live in a upper-class neighborhood in connecticut right? How many black people live there? (Not live in workers)

oohah
There are people of every race who live here without problems crime etc.. and many more come up to take advantage of the beautiful camping grounds at Hammonasset. There is no sign that says Chinese can only use 1/4 of the beach black can't eat here etc... You are way off and living 30 years ago. There is no barrier to entry to live here for any person or family.

there are no formal barriers, but you're a fool if you don't think there are still plenty of psychological & implied barriers that exist to imply that certain ethnic groups are not wanted in certain areas... u telling me a minority would feel comfortable walking into a bar that has a Confederate flag hanging inside? u wanna know how many times i get stares from tables of white people when i walk into a freakin Diner in Staten Island even w/my other Asian friends? hell, i remember walking into Mastros steakhouse in Hollywood w/3 of my Asian friends, & some rich white lady tells her African American lady friend "Oh look, here comes the Orientals"... i just had to shake my head & laugh at her ignorance, & this is a very upscale restaurant mind you.

everyone should have a right to walk into a place w/o having to feel like they're not wanted there... racism is present in everyone's daily life whether u realize it or not, & no matter how much u may think that people's situations are a product of their own motivation or lack thereof, there are real factors that do keep people of color down in this country because of those types of racist viewpoints.

[Edited by - TMS on 09-24-2008 1:41 PM]
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