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BRIGGS
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8/31/2008  12:11 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
I don't see anything in all of this that is worth while. Forget it. Let's just stick to a simple plan and wait for something better to come up.

What if something better does not come up.

These are the facts with this team:

1) You can’t have Curry and Randolph playing together for significant minutes in D’Antoni’s offensive scheme.
2) You can’t have a successful help defense with Curry and Randolph as your big men.
3) Lee, Gallinari, and Chandler will have minutes taken from them by Randolph being on the team.
4) Randolph is not in the long term plans of this Knicks management, and his contract is a heavy weight on the back of the franchise.
5) Randolph has more trade value than Curry at this moment in time.
6) Walsh has said that one of his priorities is to get a shot blocker on this team
7) Based on what we know, the only trade that has seemed to offer us any kind of functional players for Randolph is what Memphis is offering.
8) Memphis has added Marc Gasol and the Iranian center to their team, but they do not have a blue chip big man who can score and rebound like Randolph.
9) Milicic does not seem to be a long-term solution for this team, but one thing he has shown the ability to do is block shots.
10) When Amare was injured, Phoenix spoke to Detroit about Milicic, whose value was probably at its lowest, and wanted to trade for him.
11) D’Antoni just happened to be the coach of Phoenix when they attempted to trade for Milicic- which indicates he might like him.
12) I doubt if Randolph's value can be any higher than it is now and if he is not able to prosper in D'Antoni's system his value will simply go down.

I would rather have fewer wins without Randolph being on the team if it means that Gallo, Lee, and Chandler get more playing time and allow us to see if they can play the kind of ball D’Antoni wants the Knicks to play.

If there really are talks going on between the teams, and Memphis is serious about Randolph and offering Milicic, I would make the trade (assuming that Milicic is fit to play) unless there is some trade out there that we don’t know about. I want Lee, Gallinari, and Chandler- who might be playing on this team in 4 years- playing good minutes from day one of this season. If I can, I would take Walker over Jaric because of his contract, but if they push Jaric, I would attempt to pick up a #2 or one of their other guards. If it makes sense for based on cap/contract considerations, I would also try to give them Rose, even if we have to give them some cash to sweeten the deal.

Any deal is reasonable if we substantially lower the cap room in 2010. If we have to take Jaric it will still be lowered by 10mm$. We have to much clutter right now and we need cap room--any deal that addresses these issues is a +
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8/31/2008  2:51 PM
Agreed.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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9/2/2008  9:28 AM
IF there is actually a deal to get done here they should pull the trigger post holiday weekend. ANYTHING can happen that can break a deal down so if it's fluid they need to get in and get it done without excuse. If there is a little more give and take--fine.
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9/2/2008  10:32 PM
look on the bright side.........zbo is cancer, and cancer requires chemotherapy (chemistry fix). chemotherapy makes you lose weight. so we should be a slim n trim team this season.

no offense intended to anyone with or knowing someone with cancer.
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9/5/2008  8:18 AM
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=301554

This is a thread on a Giants message board. I googled 'Commercial-Appeal' but couldn't open the site so I don't have confirmation of the story. The poster is pretty reliable.


NFT: Knicks may finally dump Z-Bo! YES!!!
DanMetroMan : 9/4/2008 11:06 pm
Any potential deal involving Zach Randolph going to Memphis is now in the Knicks’ court, according the Commercial-Appeal's Ronald Tillery.
The Griz will accept a package that includes Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric going to the Knicks for Z-Bo, but Memphis also wants Donnie Walsh and James Dolan to pick up most of the deferred payments owed Randolph in the latter year of his contract. The Knicks are said to be thinking about it, so stay tuned. If Randolph did go to Memphis it would hurt the value of Hakim Warrick.
Source: Memphis Commercial-Appeal
Related: Marko Jaric, Darko Milicic, Hakim Warrick


[Edited by - ira on 09-05-2008 08:19 AM]
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9/5/2008  8:42 AM
Posted by Ira:

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=301554

This is a thread on a Giants message board. I googled 'Commercial-Appeal' but couldn't open the site so I don't have confirmation of the story. The poster is pretty reliable.


NFT: Knicks may finally dump Z-Bo! YES!!!
DanMetroMan : 9/4/2008 11:06 pm
Any potential deal involving Zach Randolph going to Memphis is now in the Knicks’ court, according the Commercial-Appeal's Ronald Tillery.
The Griz will accept a package that includes Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric going to the Knicks for Z-Bo, but Memphis also wants Donnie Walsh and James Dolan to pick up most of the deferred payments owed Randolph in the latter year of his contract. The Knicks are said to be thinking about it, so stay tuned. If Randolph did go to Memphis it would hurt the value of Hakim Warrick.
Source: Memphis Commercial-Appeal
Related: Marko Jaric, Darko Milicic, Hakim Warrick


[Edited by - ira on 09-05-2008 08:19 AM]

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9/5/2008  9:20 AM
Alan Hahn's seems to lend the Memphis Commercial-Appeal report some creedence:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2008/09/knicks_wont_let_zachmemphis_tr.html
For those who haven't seen it by now, Memphis Grizzlies beat writer Ronald Tillery posted a blog yesterday in which he said talks between the Griz and Knicks regarding Zach Randolph have reached a point where Memphis is trying to get the Knicks to take some of the deferred money in the contract (recall that Portland had a chunk of Zach's contract deferred when they signed him to it).

A person I generally trust when it comes to these matters suddenly clammed up when I asked about this most recent, quite detailed report from the Memphis side.


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9/5/2008  9:22 AM
Does it affect our cap if we pick up the deferred payments for Zach? If not, I say do it.
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9/5/2008  12:40 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Does it affect our cap if we pick up the deferred payments for Zach? If not, I say do it.

That's an interesting question. Usually, in these situations, the team trading the player with a large contract pays the team getting stuck with the contract. So the team getting the player has the contract and is stuck with the cap hit.
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9/5/2008  3:50 PM
ESPN is reporting that the ball is now in Walsh's court on this deal and they are waiting for him to sign off.

Jaric has the same amount of Money owed to him as Jamal TInsely who the Pacers are looking to move Jaric or Tinsley if we can make the deal? Jaric had one good year pl;aying for the Clippers, Tinsley is a trouble maker and can pass the rock, but I think it's time to get the deal done no matter what.
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9/5/2008  3:52 PM
Posted by MS:

ESPN is reporting that the ball is now in Walsh's court on this deal and they are waiting for him to sign off.

Jaric has the same amount of Money owed to him as Jamal TInsely who the Pacers are looking to move Jaric or Tinsley if we can make the deal? Jaric had one good year pl;aying for the Clippers, Tinsley is a trouble maker and can pass the rock, but I think it's time to get the deal done no matter what.

Bingo! I'm not sure I buy the idea that the ball is in Walsh's court, though. We've heard that before with Zach deals only to have the claim questioned later.
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9/5/2008  4:37 PM


Its a little hard to swallow the idea of a 20-10 guy basically getting pawned off for nothing....

But think about this:

Channing Frye + Steve Francis for Milicic + Jaric...

Thats a pretty good trade, except that we take back some $$. Darko is deff better and especially better for our needs than Frye was.

Am i not mistaked - Darko can play some D and block shots?? no?
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9/5/2008  4:45 PM
Get it done Walsh. Who cares if Dolan has to pay, and if he has to raise ticket prices just a tad in 2010, as long as Randolph is off the dangit cap and out of our sights. lol
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9/5/2008  11:02 PM
Been away for a few days. Wow, it seems like a low offer but it might be addition by subtraction. I would demand a second round draft pick at a minimal. Randolh + $3 mill for Darko, Maric, and 2nd round pick is solid.
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9/5/2008  11:31 PM
I would think we would have to give up a draft pick to get rid of Zach.
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9/6/2008  12:01 AM
Posted by King1:

I would think we would have to give up a draft pick to get rid of Zach.

I cant see us doing a deal that consisted of US giving up picks taking on deffered payments with two marginal players coming back.
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9/6/2008  12:57 AM
Posted by King1:

I would think we would have to give up a draft pick to get rid of Zach.

Would that have anything to do with the 2nd round pick that we acquired for Balkman?
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9/6/2008  9:33 AM
I wouldn't do the deal as is - Zach for Darko and Marko Jaric. If we are dumping Zach for cap space in 2010, then what do we do with Marko who is owed $7.625 in 2010? Only if we had a trade lined up beforehand to get rid of Jaric, would I consider this.

Also, Memphis wants to dump Darko and his contract, so this isn't just us wanting to dump a player. I hope Walsh holds out for a better deal from Memphis.

[Edited by - markji on 09-06-2008 08:34 AM]
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9/6/2008  9:39 AM
Every team in the league knows we're trying to get rid of Zach. If there was a better deal, we'd have done it by now. Jaric's owed $7.6 m. Big deal. Zach is owed $17 + mil. If Zach was owed $10 mil and Jaric $0 in 2010 but we already had a figure that was $7.6 mil higher for 2010 from a previous transaction, we'd be ecstatic with this offer. Ironically, our situation would be identical to what it would be after this deal was completed.
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9/6/2008  9:49 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Every team in the league knows we're trying to get rid of Zach. If there was a better deal, we'd have done it by now. Jaric's owed $7.6 m. Big deal. Zach is owed $17 + mil. If Zach was owed $10 mil and Jaric $0 in 2010 but we already had a figure that was $7.6 mil higher for 2010 from a previous transaction, we'd be ecstatic with this offer. Ironically, our situation would be identical to what it would be after this deal was completed.
No so. Jaric It isnt the difference in salary. It is the fact that we will have Jaric's salary in 2010. We dont want that. So we will need to trade him before 2010 just like zach. However, Zach is a premier player. I know he's a problem, etc, but it still holds that he puts up 20/10. Not many other players can do that. Only the elite players can. I'd rather have D'A work with Zach than trade him for lower talent and we still have to take on salary in 2010. That defeats the purpose of the trade.

Darko is fine. And hold out for someone else from Memphis.
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