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Anji
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8/25/2008  5:15 PM
The biggest problem with the Danillo pick is Mike'D had no input. Every time somebody asks him about picking the kid he says the scouts really liked him, I really didn't see the kid, ect....

Know I don't know about anybody else, but this kid would be a whole lot easier to accept if the offense genius we brought was saying he was behind the pick. Having to hear about "Scouts" really doesn't do it for me.

Hell, Walsh doesn't even really claim being the driving force behind the pick... who the hell are these "scouts"??? If this kid is a jump shooting 4 like 90 percent of the big guys that come for the EU, this is a wasted pick.

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8/25/2008  6:53 PM
I don't know about you but if a coach has all this time to scout potential draft picks and not worry about his team then I don't want him as a coach. The coach should coach and tell his GM what he needs to be succesful. The GM then uses his assets to figure out how to get his coach what he asked for. Bill Parcells cried and cried about how the cook should be able to buy the groceries but look how that turned out for him.
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8/25/2008  7:07 PM
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I think Zeke's biggest problem(when you exclude all the off the court shenanigans) is that he changed his plan so many times

or that he never had a plan

I guess that's another way of saying it
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8/25/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by Anji:

The biggest problem with the Danillo pick is Mike'D had no input. Every time somebody asks him about picking the kid he says the scouts really liked him, I really didn't see the kid, ect....

Why do you think I called this a ny community pick, cmon fellas read between the lines.

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8/25/2008  9:51 PM
Posted by Anji:

The biggest problem with the Danillo pick is Mike'D had no input. Every time somebody asks him about picking the kid he says the scouts really liked him, I really didn't see the kid, ect....

Know I don't know about anybody else, but this kid would be a whole lot easier to accept if the offense genius we brought was saying he was behind the pick. Having to hear about "Scouts" really doesn't do it for me.

Hell, Walsh doesn't even really claim being the driving force behind the pick... who the hell are these "scouts"??? If this kid is a jump shooting 4 like 90 percent of the big guys that come for the EU, this is a wasted pick.

I keep on thinking that I won't reply to this kind of post, but I always end up writing something in response.

Honestly, do you really think that D'Antoni didn't see the kid on tape, talk to people he knew in Italy or other scouts, and give Walsh his OK on the pick!? Do you really think that he didn't have an idea of what Gallinari could do in his system? Do you really think that Gallinari was not picked by Walsh with D'Antoni's system in mind?

Walsh got info from scouts, including Isiah (Which I think may be a big problem for some people who like to believe in conspiracies: Hell, Walsh doesn't even really claim being the driving force behind the pick...)- and then worked Gallo out in NY. They also got info about a very good workout he had in LA for the Clippers and other teams. Add to this all the reports that had been coming out of Europe about him as he caught people's eyes while playing in Italy.

Whether or not you agree with the pick- do you really think that they chose him without being aware of his strengths and weaknesses? He was scouted the same way all players are scouted, and like some of the top picks, he only did private workouts with teams. Unlike most players drafted, he had experience being a team leader on professional teams in Europe and playing with/against adults.

It started before the draft, but it seems like some of you guys are still looking for new reasons why the Knicks should not have taken him.

Just get over it. All you can do now is watch and hope he becomes the player that the Knicks and others think he can become. Time to be a fan.
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8/26/2008  2:24 AM
(AGM-DS) - 12/08/2008 16.53.21 - (AGM-DS) - Bejing (CHN), August 12 - Busy with the US team in Bejing, Mike D'Antoni doesn't forget his new experience in New York. He will have Danilo Gallinari: the former Milan Armani Jeans player was the 6th overall pick at the 2008 draft and the "Big Apple" is expecting a lot from him to raise up the team, after a dark period of it's story.

The new coach, a great champion in Italy before playing and after coaching, tells to Datasport his expectation on the joung italian talent, that is facing problems with his back also during the training with the Italian national team for the Euro qualification.

What convinced you to choose Danilo Gallinari as 6th overall pick for NBA?
"Our team, scouts and our general manager saw in him a great talent. I don't know him a lot, I know his father more, but after I saw their judgement we choose him. I'm really happy."

How much space he will have with the New York Knicks?
"We will see. We don't know, we will let him slowly mature, because he is very important for us. I hope he we mature well and find space to play".

Are you worried for the back problems he has with the National Team?
"I think it's a small problem, I hope it will pass. He has almost two months before starting and I don't think it is a problem"

And how about the D'Antoni adventure's in New York?
”I hope good. It will be an adventure".

This is an August interview......... and Mike D is still copping the this line about it not being his pick. Please don't insult my.

Like I said, who the hell are this scouts, because it sounds like they have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more pull then they should.
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8/26/2008  8:32 AM
i've cried about the puck some, but let's get real- this team sucks a whole lot. if gallo turns into a bust- no big deal- we are a long way from even sniffing the play offs.

I am happy, though, that walsh picked a guy they thought had the most upside- its a bit like when we should have picked bynum, but went safe with frye. and who knows if bynum will recover and grow into the player he showed signs of becoming.

we gambled big instead of playing it safe- that is good.
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8/26/2008  9:47 AM
Give the kid of a few games before we trash it.

Who did you want, Bayless, Lopez, Rush, Hickenson? The kid has some skills let him be for a year or two
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8/26/2008  11:03 AM
The coach said he had the parts and he needed an engine. He got Chris Duhon. The coach said Walsh convinced him that Gallo was a good pick. One of the 'scouts' was Isiah. All of this has nothing to do with Gallo as a player but it does make it very confusing trying to figure out who is running the Knicks and setting the course for their new direction.
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8/26/2008  11:56 AM
This is an August interview......... and Mike D is still copping the this line about it not being his pick. Please don't insult my.

Like I said, who the hell are this scouts, because it sounds like they have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more pull then they should.

For the record, I just have to put down the "we shouldn't have drafted him" stuff that is still getting play, even with training camp about a month away:

Soft European player- not tough enough or physical enough- another Fredrick Weiss.

Don't know if he can play defense.

He is not athletic enough.

Phoenix insider story- D'Antoni said he saw tapes of him and commented that he was too weak on D.

Should have taken...Randolph, Bayless, Lopez, etc..

Should have traded pick up/down and gotten so and so.

He was damaged goods- he can't take physical play of NBA.

Isiah the scout conspiracy- Gallinari was only picked because of Isiah's recommendation.

Mystery Scout theory- just who are these "scouts" that saw him? (another version of the Isiah conspiracy, I think.)

D'Antoni never even knew he existed before the Knicks drafted him.(sarcasm, of course)


Did I leave anything out folks? Please help me if I did.

I am just not going to try to answer every one of these criticisms, suffice to say that Gallinari was well scouted and regarded (Why not google fran fraschilla gallinari to see what a non-Knicks basketball expert thought about him prior to the draft.); all the scouting reports- not just the Knicks- talk about his toughness, as far as I can recall; Isiah was the 3rd Knicks associated scout who saw him, and the names of the other 2 were printed prior to the draft; and Gallinari was seen by the Knicks brass in person, and also performed for the Clippers, for sure, and NJ, I think. To top it off, if you watched the SL game he played in you saw a player with some major ability, who was just unlucky enough to get bulldozed by a 300lb thug/ex-con.

At what point some of you guys going to take a break from these posts?





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8/26/2008  12:27 PM
Posted by Paladin55:


Did I leave anything out folks? Please help me if I did.


Yeah, you left out the one were our coach is two months away from the draft and he still doesn't call the draft pick ours............. lol. How many coaches do you think can be interviewed and they aren't saying we drafted this kid because we liked him???

Danillo can be the best pick sicne sliced bread, looking at the quotes from our Coach and our GM I don't like the fact that these scouts basically picked him. I think that is a fair position to have, doesn't mean Walsh and Mike D never saw him, but starting every interview about the kid with "well the scouts really liked him" in one word stinks. The scouts have been here for all the F'ed up picks we made in the last 4-5 years....... Walsh and Mike'D are hear largely because of that fact!!!!
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8/26/2008  12:27 PM
Its all the same stuff......but what else is there to talk about?
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8/26/2008  6:20 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Its all the same stuff......but what else is there to talk about?
There is some truth to what you are saying, but...

A lot of folks who never wanted Gallinari in the first place are simply continuing to search for reasons why the Knicks should not have taken him, and it gets tiring. Perhaps this is something that you could talk about prior to the draft or shortly after it, or even in a couple of years if Gallinari turns out to be a poor pick, but at this point, it is time to think about how the Knicks are going to use the talent they have (see the Hahn thread going on now) and what trades they might make.

Don't you think that people have put out every possible reason we should not have chosen him? I'll be honest, I wanted him above Bayless, Lopez, Westbrook, Love (maybe), and after Mayo's turnover issues in SL, even him, so I was happy when they got Gallo, but I can honestly tell you that I would have made a few comments after the draft about why they should have taken Gallinari and then gotten over it and prepared for the season.

If he is a flop in 2/3 years then I don't care if people start criticizing the pick or how the Knicks went about taking him, especially if we screw up next year in the draft, too (If it is a lottery pick, we lose our 2010 pick). I will be the first to point out the weaknesses in Gallinari's game if he just turns out to be a simple jump shooter and nothing more, and Anthony Randolph, Lopez, and Bayless are all-stars, but why don't we reach that point before starting to whine.

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8/27/2008  12:00 AM
The Knicks have a REAL GM and a REAL coach now. They have specific philosophies on how you win and they have shown an ability to do just that. They picked Gallo when they could've taken any of the other players left who some were high on. I think they knew EXACTLY who Gallo was and all this is just the lower expectations on the kid to ease his transition. I think they're smiling like the cat that ate the canary right about now. READ BETWEEEN THE LINES MAN!!!

These guys aren't stupid, inexperienced or lacking savvy. They know how to play the game and we're just not used to it any more. It's been so long since we have a competent and highly skilled GM and Coach, that it's hard to recognize when they're just playing it low key. I think they feel this kid has a chance to be special and they don't want anything to mess that up.
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Posted by nixluva:

The Knicks have a REAL GM and a REAL coach now. They have specific philosophies on how you win and they have shown an ability to do just that. They picked Gallo when they could've taken any of the other players left who some were high on. I think they knew EXACTLY who Gallo was and all this is just the lower expectations on the kid to ease his transition. I think they're smiling like the cat that ate the canary right about now. READ BETWEEEN THE LINES MAN!!!

These guys aren't stupid, inexperienced or lacking savvy. They know how to play the game and we're just not used to it any more. It's been so long since we have a competent and highly skilled GM and Coach, that it's hard to recognize when they're just playing it low key. I think they feel this kid has a chance to be special and they don't want anything to mess that up.

I am not sold on D'Antoni being a winning coach. I want to see what he does with the Knicks and I get back to you. Pat Riley proved himself, I hate Brown but he has prove himself as well. Paul Westphal took the Suns to the finals and had 178 and 68 losses in his 4 years as coach. Forget the fact that he had Barkley, Johnson and Majerle Another offensive genius coach who is, where the hell is Westphal now?
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