Posted by BRIGGS:

So far the offseason has been Chris Duhon Anthony Roberson and Danillo Gallinari-----Im not dropping my jaw or anything.

You were expecting the Knicks to resurrect Pistol Pete and Wilt in their primes, sign them for the minimum then trade for Kobe for Lee and unveil Curry who upon entering D'Antoni's new conditioning system looks like Dwight Howard on roids?

Posted by BRIGGS:

So far the offseason has been Chris Duhon Anthony Roberson and Danillo Gallinari-----Im not dropping my jaw or anything.

co-sign. It's like talking about 2010 free agents for two years and only coming away with Mike Dunleavy Jr.

Posted by Andrew:

Eny don't assume that Denver would have done a Steph for Camby deal. Denver got a much better deal from the Clippers....immediate financial relief and a trade exception.

exactly... they didn't have to take back any salary in the deal & gained a trade exception along w/that 2nd round pick for Camby... i don't see how the Knicks could have trumped that offer... this is why cap flexibility gives u so many options that u wouldn't ordinarily have.

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Posted by nyk4ever:

To be fair, what kind of value did Stephen Jackson have around the league at the time of that trade? I mean he literally just came off fighting in the stands with a bunch of fans. Dunleavy was a good a pickup for them and to get him they had to include Al Harrington who had to be included to get the Warriors to accept Jax.

Yeah, the Jackson trade was a P.R one

Another name for a Indiana community trade.

Lol...you're too much sometimes, *laugh*.

It is kinda funny that the main cog in that deal was an Opie Taylor stand in, Dunleavy, who up to that point had been a monumental failure in the NBA. Oh well, it turned out well for both teams I guess.

Posted by Pharzeone:

And I think people just want to give Walsh the benefit of the doubt but I wouldn't. The guy has made bonehead moves. The Al Harrington trades is just one example.

The guy made bone headed moves? WHO' MADE THE CURRY, ZACH, SUCKBURY, Q, JEFFRIES, JEROME MOVES??? Who piled the money up so high that you can't even see the top of the highest mountain of dollars stacked on top of each other.

Where do you see Donnie making bone headed moves? What's the matter with you guys? Would you prefer he sign some no name to a seven year, 100 million dollar contract? Someone like zach or curry, who will never carry this team?

I mentioned LeBron, I mentioned Paul I even mentioned Howard (I even mentioned Kobe) and nobody was happy with that either. I have heard countless trade scenarios and people most of us have never even heard much about. So many ideas it seems no one here really knows what they want for the Knicks. At least I come up with a plan AND I STICK' WITH IT!

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Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by McK1:

wouldn't getting rid or crawford and curry accomplish the same thing as getting rid of zach?

they should trade curry. probably can get a deal that expires 1 year sooner. they'll have $6 mil less on the cap b/c of zach's deal but not the end of the world.

but looking around the league, everybody is lining it up for 2010. maybe a team should take advantage of that and make deals to acquire talent + salary for that season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-16-2008 09:50 AM]

They are going to have to. If they don't move Randolph by the start of the season then they are going to have to move Curry.

Walsh should have made the move though. Your talking about a 2nd rd pick and a 14mil trade exception. We could be going after Monta Ellis or Josh Smith right now. Or taking back Brad Miller or Kenny Thomas or Abdul Rahim for a draft pick or picks.

Walsh must have big plans for Randolph in the future. He must be apart of the master plan to try and land 2 star players in the summer of 2010.

We got to get off of this mind set. No one should be moved! Let these contracts run out and the money will be good again. Fuck trading or trying to unload any contracts right now. We'll still have the highest payroll, no matter what and we aren't going to have a contender. Develop the youth, because they are clearly the future. The rest of these old ****s are going to be gone soon and they don't even matter now!

Posted by 4949:

We got to get off of this mind set. No one should be moved! Let these contracts run out and the money will be good again. Fuck trading or trying to unload any contracts right now. We'll still have the highest payroll, no matter what and we aren't going to have a contender. Develop the youth, because they are clearly the future. The rest of these old ****s are going to be gone soon and they don't even matter now!

i don't get it... u of all people should want Walsh to do what it takes to unload payroll so he can target cap flexibility in 2010.

Posted by BRIGGS:

So far the offseason has been Chris Duhon Anthony Roberson and Danillo Gallinari-----Im not dropping my jaw or anything.

You where expecting to drop your jaw? LOL!

I will agree to moves, ONLY' if they are like the Duhon move. Cheap and short term. Very short term. Unless of course, we somehow get a REAL superstar player. But that would be going against the 'not improving rules' that have been established by some here.

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Posted by TMS:

Posted by 4949:

We got to get off of this mind set. No one should be moved! Let these contracts run out and the money will be good again. Fuck trading or trying to unload any contracts right now. We'll still have the highest payroll, no matter what and we aren't going to have a contender. Develop the youth, because they are clearly the future. The rest of these old ****s are going to be gone soon and they don't even matter now!

i don't get it... u of all people should want Walsh to do what it takes to unload payroll so he can target cap flexibility in 2010.

Who is going to take Zach's contract off of us?

didn't u get the memo? there's teams lined up around the block looking to trade for our "legit 20 & 10" low post player with a $50 million dollar contract over the next 3 years.

all sarcasm aside, i was just referring to your change of heart... it's obvious that you place high importance on gaining cap flexibility in 2010 (as do i)... now u say u wanna just let the contracts expire... we aren't getting any cap flexibility in 2010 unless we make moves to dump some of these longterm deals as you well know... i'm just curious why if Walsh is also placing such high importance on the cap for 2010, why he would ever turn a deal of this nature down (if the rumors are indeed true, which i personally can't fathom how they could be unless he's just talking outta both sides of his mouth the way Isiah's done over his tenure)... i pray to God that these are just baseless rumors made up by a sportswriter to sell a newstory, cuz if not then Walsh got some serious questions to answer to in the coming weeks.

Posted by 4949:
Believe me, if zach's money could be off our books, it would have happened already.

i absolutely agree w/u on that... i mean it's all speculation at this point cuz none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes in terms of trade talks, but i don't see why Walsh would hesitate to pull the trigger on any deals where we could gain cap flexibility w/o having to give up any of our assets if a deal like that actually were in the works.

Posted by misterearl:

EnySpree - give it a rest. Donnie Walsh has been here for all of 15 minutes and you're busting a capillary already?

try decaf

Missed this thread (been away for a few days, perfect weather!) but rather than start a new one I just wanna say my peace in here instead.

I typed this up on another forum but it fits the early theme of this thread.

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Walsh still has the full 18 months (until Feb 2010 deadline) to convince me he's going the right way here.

In that though I am not a fan of the Duhon or Roberson signings: I'm not expecting home runs - I view them as unnecessary signings though. We didn't need those players. We know we're going to be mediocre for the next two seasons, but, why sign 2 players to oversee that when we had two already here (nate, collins) to do it?

I AM however upset that Zach wasn't dumped the second Walsh was offered the 2nd rounder.

The Clippers suggest they checked up on several possibilities and went with Camby but you still have to wonder if Walsh had said "Yeah, Zach for a 2nd rounder, done deal" as soon as he was approached - maybe Zach is a Clipper.

So I don't like that at all. Patience is good but you shouldn't be patient on THAT offer you JUMP all over that.


DAntoni - it's proven that offense only doesn't win you a ring but right now it's not about that it's about improving the franchise. If the 2010-2011 season isn't a big hit - we're talking about 2nd round of the playoffs and being competitive there - then it's a failure.

If by midway through the 09/10 season we're not looking solid and looking up - then it's a failure.

However, 3 months in, despite disliking a few decisions, it's too early to measure it.