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7/12/2008  7:20 PM
I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

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7/12/2008  8:05 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I don't see Randolph reaching superstar status.

He may be a real good player down the road in the NBA and a nice core piece to have on your team. Maybe be able to guard multiple positions and maybe hit the 3 & glass. I don't see him dominating the NBA though.

I can see his ceiling as a 14-17pts 7-8rebs 1.5blks type of guy. Look at guys like Tyshawn Prince & Lamar Odom they are solid core guys but not superstars and they are & were way more developed then Randolph.

If Randolph came equiped with a back to basket game with the fundamentals & passing ability out of the post as KG & Bosh did then I could see it. But he doesn't stand far apart as a prospect then Gallinari. Who was asked to do everything on his team as a 19yr old vs "physically dominant competion" vs NCAA as John Calipari stated in the Jennings articles. Only to be named the best player under 22 in Europe.

There is nothing with Randolphs game that makes him an elite prospect over Gallo.

Randolph beats Gallo more in the quickness department then the athletic department, & in rebounding, shotblocking. They both seem to have solid skill levels in handling, run the floor, move without the ball. Gallo beats Randolph out in shooting, fundamentals, intangibles & comes with leadership, heart, maturity.

It will be fun comparing these guys careers

Monday can't here soon enough for me.

It will be fun comparing these guys careers

Yeah I am sure Nuggets and Pistons fans are having a blast.
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7/12/2008  9:51 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I don't see Randolph reaching superstar status.

He may be a real good player down the road in the NBA and a nice core piece to have on your team. Maybe be able to guard multiple positions and maybe hit the 3 & glass. I don't see him dominating the NBA though.

I can see his ceiling as a 14-17pts 7-8rebs 1.5blks type of guy. Look at guys like Tyshawn Prince & Lamar Odom they are solid core guys but not superstars and they are & were way more developed then Randolph.

If Randolph came equiped with a back to basket game with the fundamentals & passing ability out of the post as KG & Bosh did then I could see it. But he doesn't stand far apart as a prospect then Gallinari. Who was asked to do everything on his team as a 19yr old vs "physically dominant competion" vs NCAA as John Calipari stated in the Jennings articles. Only to be named the best player under 22 in Europe.

There is nothing with Randolphs game that makes him an elite prospect over Gallo.

Randolph beats Gallo more in the quickness department then the athletic department, & in rebounding, shotblocking. They both seem to have solid skill levels in handling, run the floor, move without the ball. Gallo beats Randolph out in shooting, fundamentals, intangibles & comes with leadership, heart, maturity.

It will be fun comparing these guys careers

Monday can't here soon enough for me.

It will be fun comparing these guys careers

Yeah I am sure Nuggets and Pistons fans are having a blast.

Im sure they are as were Washington/Chi & Memphis. As well as the Bucks & Dallas

Gallo is a completely different player & person then Darko Milicic though. Anthony Randolph is a completely different player & person then Melo or Bosh. There situation and circumstance doesn't apply with us. On a side note, Detroit has gone to the finals 2 times and the ecc 3times in the past 5yrs. Nuggets haven't gotten out of the first rd in 5yrs.

Gallo proved himself at the highest level in Europe at the age of 19, Darko Milicic didn't. Darko was mostly hype based on physical attributes & potential skills(Its still not to late for him either). Melo & Bosh were #3 & #5 picks. Kevin Garnett was the #5 pick. Randolph fell to #14 because of below average workouts. If Randolph would have wowed the scouts with workouts the way Bosh & KG did he wouldn't have passed Memphis at #5, Bucks at #8, Nets at #10, Kings at #11.
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7/12/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by Anji:

I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

What speed? In Orlando, the only first round pick that I could find in the 3/4 court sprint that was slower than Randolph was Brook Lopez. But Brook Lopez defines slow.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=&sort=12

[Edited by - ira on 07-12-2008 10:14 PM]
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7/12/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Anji:

I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

What speed? In Orlando, the only first round pick that I could find in the 3/4 court sprint that was slower than Randolph was Brook Lopez. But Brook Lopez defines slow.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=&sort=12

[Edited by - ira on 07-12-2008 10:14 PM]

You are basing your opinions on obscure numbers that dont mean very much. Go back and look at Monta Ellis numbers--these combine things mean very little. And Brook Lopez and Anthony Randolph will be significantly better professional basketball players than Gallinari. I think his upside is limited at Hedo Turk but his downside is Boston Nachbar and that would be a brutal bust.
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7/12/2008  10:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Anji:

I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

What speed? In Orlando, the only first round pick that I could find in the 3/4 court sprint that was slower than Randolph was Brook Lopez. But Brook Lopez defines slow.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=&sort=12

[Edited by - ira on 07-12-2008 10:14 PM]

You are basing your opinions on obscure numbers that dont mean very much. Go back and look at Monta Ellis numbers--these combine things mean very little. And Brook Lopez and Anthony Randolph will be significantly better professional basketball players than Gallinari. I think his upside is limited at Hedo Turk but his downside is Boston Nachbar and that would be a brutal bust.

come on now, all offseason u were telling us u'd be surprised if Gallinari turned out to be anything better than Bostjan Nachbar... now you're giving us a prediction that he'll land someplace between a 20 / 6 / 5 player & a 10 / 3 / 2 player... u call that a prediction?

here's a prediction... i predict Anthony Randolph will be somwhere between a 19 / 8 / 2 player & a 10 / 4 / 1 player... how's that for going out on a limb?

[Edited by - TMS on 07-12-2008 7:45 PM]
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7/12/2008  11:11 PM
I have not read the opinion of any Italian League viewers on this forum so I don't think anyone can claim to be an expert on Gallinari. I posted something from realgm that an Italian posted on their sight about Gallinari but he said that he could not compare him to NBA players. I do think that there are alot of college fans and draft fans on this sight who have a knowledge base of what other players in the draft can do. While this does not always translate to success in the NBA, I think there were some guys taken after Gallinari who will have great careers in the NBA. I will be surprised if Gallinari has a great career.
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7/12/2008  11:22 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Anji:

I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

What speed? In Orlando, the only first round pick that I could find in the 3/4 court sprint that was slower than Randolph was Brook Lopez. But Brook Lopez defines slow.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=&sort=12

[Edited by - ira on 07-12-2008 10:14 PM]

You are basing your opinions on obscure numbers that dont mean very much. Go back and look at Monta Ellis numbers--these combine things mean very little. And Brook Lopez and Anthony Randolph will be significantly better professional basketball players than Gallinari. I think his upside is limited at Hedo Turk but his downside is Boston Nachbar and that would be a brutal bust.

come on now, all offseason u were telling us u'd be surprised if Gallinari turned out to be anything better than Bostjan Nachbar... now you're giving us a prediction that he'll land someplace between a 20 / 6 / 5 player & a 10 / 3 / 2 player... u call that a prediction?

here's a prediction... i predict Anthony Randolph will be somwhere between a 19 / 8 / 2 player & a 10 / 4 / 1 player... how's that for going out on a limb?

[Edited by - TMS on 07-12-2008 7:45 PM]

Any prospect can have an upside and downside comparison. As a Knick fan I pray it's to the upside--that can the only hope. I do feel dissappointed that we let certain players Im quite sure will be potential NBA impact players go by us.
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7/12/2008  11:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Anji:

I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

What speed? In Orlando, the only first round pick that I could find in the 3/4 court sprint that was slower than Randolph was Brook Lopez. But Brook Lopez defines slow.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=&sort=12

[Edited by - ira on 07-12-2008 10:14 PM]

You are basing your opinions on obscure numbers that dont mean very much. Go back and look at Monta Ellis numbers--these combine things mean very little. And Brook Lopez and Anthony Randolph will be significantly better professional basketball players than Gallinari. I think his upside is limited at Hedo Turk but his downside is Boston Nachbar and that would be a brutal bust.

come on now, all offseason u were telling us u'd be surprised if Gallinari turned out to be anything better than Bostjan Nachbar... now you're giving us a prediction that he'll land someplace between a 20 / 6 / 5 player & a 10 / 3 / 2 player... u call that a prediction?

here's a prediction... i predict Anthony Randolph will be somwhere between a 19 / 8 / 2 player & a 10 / 4 / 1 player... how's that for going out on a limb?

[Edited by - TMS on 07-12-2008 7:45 PM]

Any prospect can have an upside and downside comparison. As a Knick fan I pray it's to the upside--that can the only hope. I do feel dissappointed that we let certain players Im quite sure will be potential NBA impact players go by us.

Your getting good feelings for randolph thats fine you should feel good about the draft pick you wanted doing well, but remember its summer league and he is up against college talent mostly or NBA second year players who didn't get a lot of run. Also remember the that Von Wafer dropped 40+ on the Knicks last year, and he hasn't amount to much so far in the NBA. You have to remember that Channing Frye dropped 30 in a regular season game. Lets see if Randolph makes good on it in the next game when the game plan will be to stop him. Thats when you know when a player is another level player.
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7/13/2008  12:36 AM
According to Mike D', if Gallinari has trouble in SL then that's an indicator he probably going to have trouble in the NBA. So, I guess the coach is putting a lot of stock in SL.
BTW, Mike D' has been real funny in these MSG interviews. Great to see he's laughing all the way to the bank.
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7/13/2008  3:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Any prospect can have an upside and downside comparison. As a Knick fan I pray it's to the upside--that can the only hope. I do feel dissappointed that we let certain players Im quite sure will be potential NBA impact players go by us.

i don't doubt the fact that you hope the kid does well, but you gotta let go of this fear that we let good prospects go by us... landing the best player in the draft is never an exact science, it's always a wait & see... to worry about these things before we even see these guys play a couple of full seasons much less a single real game in the NBA is pointless... unless we had a top 2 pick in the draft this year there was no possible way we could be confident that our pick would end up to be the actual bonafide BPA at #6.
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7/13/2008  9:11 AM
Are people afraid to admit that "the gall" pick was a choice for the community and basketball 2nd?

The team model has been starphucking correct ? So why now all of a sudden you think this pick was strictly basketball and not community fan base.

Remember zeke never wanted to draft veuro talent in the past, and now all of a sudden he does?

WE WILL SEE.
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Posted by playa2:

Are people afraid to admit that "the gall" pick was a choice for the community and basketball 2nd?

The team model has been starphucking correct ? So why now all of a sudden you think this pick was strictly basketball and not community fan base.

Remember zeke never wanted to draft veuro talent in the past, and now all of a sudden he does?

WE WILL SEE.

you still think Zeke runs the team?
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7/13/2008  10:24 AM
Briggs....I respect your opinion in general, but look fwd to telling you I told you so when Lopez becomes merely an avg NBA C & Randolph becomes a poor man's Tay Prince & Gallo becomes the core or this organization being respectable again.
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Posted by purple012870:

Briggs....I respect your opinion in general, but look fwd to telling you I told you so when Lopez becomes merely an avg NBA C & Randolph becomes a poor man's Tay Prince & Gallo becomes the core or this organization being respectable again.

I guess you are anticipating Gallinari to drop atleast 50 points, 16 rebounds, 4 blocks on these inferior players tomorrow. Watch out the EL is in the building.
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Posted by purple012870:

Briggs....I respect your opinion in general, but look fwd to telling you I told you so when Lopez becomes merely an avg NBA C & Randolph becomes a poor man's Tay Prince & Gallo becomes the core or this organization being respectable again.

I think we couldve parlayed that 6 pick into BOTH Randolph and Mcgee--I hate to say this but I like both players more than Gallo not to mention both of them together. My bet is many people would prefer Randolph AND Mcgee to just Gallinari. I dont think we leveraged pick 6 the way we couldve.

I dont see Brook Lopez as a fit with dantoni.
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7/13/2008  11:56 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by purple012870:

Briggs....I respect your opinion in general, but look fwd to telling you I told you so when Lopez becomes merely an avg NBA C & Randolph becomes a poor man's Tay Prince & Gallo becomes the core or this organization being respectable again.

I think we couldve parlayed that 6 pick into BOTH Randolph and Mcgee--I hate to say this but I like both players more than Gallo not to mention both of them together. My bet is many people would prefer Randolph AND Mcgee to just Gallinari. I dont think we leveraged pick 6 the way we couldve.

I dont see Brook Lopez as a fit with dantoni.

The only possible way for us to have done that would be to have traded with Indy for #11 & #17. So first and foremost Indy would have had to want to make that move. Me personally I wouldn't give up my #17 pick in order to move up 5 spots in this yrs draft. I doubt Indy was willing to do that either. By the #6 pick Gallo, Bayless, Lopez, Alexander, Randolph, Gordan, Augustine were all available. That means they were going to end up with at one of them. Why move up 5 spots giving up your #17 pick?

Trading Lee would have been our only shot at trying to nab another pick but I don't think the value was there to trade him anyway.
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7/13/2008  2:06 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Anji:

I really wanted Randolph. You could that he has the chance to be like no other player in this league with his speed, shot block, size and dribble.

What speed? In Orlando, the only first round pick that I could find in the 3/4 court sprint that was slower than Randolph was Brook Lopez. But Brook Lopez defines slow.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/measurements.php?year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=&sort=12

[Edited by - ira on 07-12-2008 10:14 PM]

Man he's speed and length can not denied.

Other then his three point shot, he was a great fit for Mike D. we should have him.

[Edited by - anji on 07-13-2008 2:09 PM]
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Posted by playa2:

Are people afraid to admit that "the gall" pick was a choice for the community and basketball 2nd?

The team model has been starphucking correct ? So why now all of a sudden you think this pick was strictly basketball and not community fan base.

Remember zeke never wanted to draft veuro talent in the past, and now all of a sudden he does?

WE WILL SEE.

you still think Zeke runs the team?

I think because zeke has not been fired but lurking in the scenes in the background, I do believe he still has a powerful influence with Owner James Dolan.

Isiah is now officially on the inside and working behind closed doors for James Dolan ...he's still on the payroll and living in Westchester NY.

D'antoni got paid very nicely along with Walsh, so whatever James Dolan wants to happen with Isiah still around is gonna happen.

Don't forget the knicks are in the starphucking business, this is why they took the young "Gallanari" at #6 who had has face alongside tall buildings in Milan Italy..



[Edited by - playa2 on 13-07-2008 14:40]
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Date	Opponent	Result	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	OFF	DEF	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	PTS
Jul 13	vs. DAL		W 95-86	26	5-  12	0-1	1-1	 2	 3	 5	2	  1        1   4	3	11


Randolph's second game. Nothing to write home about. Does this mean he is no longer the annointed one? Some people got a little too excited after his first game. Some of you might have also seen Joe Alexander's 2/13 shooting and Gordon's 32% (2 pointers), and the fact that while Mayo has some good offensive stats- he is a turnover machine. Something to be worried about if you are the teams that drafted these guys- who knows?

I actually think Randolph will be a good player, but you can't get carried away by these games. He is a 6'9" (official pre-draft no shoe measurement), 197 lb multi-talented player, who can't shoot long range (And if you look at how he shoots he may never be a 30%+ 3 pt shooter), and may or may not be a good enough man to man defensive player in this league (I think he will be a very good off the ball defender- has good timing and that long reach.). Not super explosive, but smooth and deceptive, and clearly a good athlete. Bosh or Prince upside? Who knows? Nobody knows how tough he will end up being, either.

Looking forward to seeing Gallinari and Chandler tomorrow, and hopefully will be taping the games on MSG. Don't really care whether Gallinari shoots well- I know that this will come when he finds a comfort level in the league, I'm more interested with his D (footwork) and rebounding (boxing out), and whether he is the passer that I think he can be. Will also be interested in his post-up game. Do care about Chandler's outside shot. If he can hit the jumper on a consistent basis the Knicks have a real stud for the future. If he can't, he might just end up being a stronger version of Balkman.

Also do or die for Mardy Collins and Balkman, in my opinion. These guys have to do well in this setting. 3rd year for each of them. We will see if they did any off season work on their shooting.


Gallinari was not chosen because he was on buildings in Milan. He was chosen because the Knicks think he can leap over buildings (so to speak). This was one of the most significant picks for them in years- A new GM and new Coach are putting their future on the line with this pick. He may never turn out to be anything special (I actually believe he will be an excellent player- but never a superstar.) but he was not picked "for the community," and Isiah was not behind this pick. Hell, the "community" let the Knicks know day 1 what they though of the pick, and you could hear it on TV. I'm sure Randolph or Bayless or Gordon would have gotten a better reception. He was picked because they thought he was the best player on the board, and a guy who could be a building block for a good team.

Should be an interesting 5 games.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-13-2008 11:17 PM]
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