Posted by fishmike:

Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad?

I always get a kick out of how you logic only applies to your arguements. The same thing for example doesnt apply to Galli because... right.

So boring.. you crack on 'DAntoni type' players but want a 6'3 shooting guard that shoots 5 3's a game and doesnt play D.

Yawn

You're comparing a rookie coach to a rookie foreign player??? Really? I didn't know that a rookie coach with a ton of experience in the league is the same as a young european player who zero experience. That's fascinating, please tell us more Fish.

A ridiculously athletic 6'3 shooting guard who can score has a great chance of success playing D'Antonio's run and gun system than a slow footed, stiff legged tweener forward. Neither player is much of a defender, although Bayless has the quickness to be a decent one, so there's not much reason to bring that up.

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Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.

coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson

Meaning?

I think the Fish means you wanted an inexperienced coach over an experienced one, and an undersized combo guard who would've clogged up our already glutted guards over Gallo.

Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad? If any team is going to go with an inexperienced coach, it would be a rebuilding team looking 2 years down the road. Guess which coach is going to be less adverse to maximizing next years 1st rd pick?

What glut of guards? You act like the guards currently on the roster have a long term role on this team moving forward. Isn't Monta Ellis an undersized combo guard who most people on this board would love the Knicks to get somehow?

Yea, we'd all love to have him, but our glut of combo guards don't reflect anything close to Monta Ellis, its almost irrelevant, and he's not even a PG. You act as if we have a studs at the SF/PF positons and we drafted for depth. This team has a glaring weakness at every single position, and I can't blame Walsh for starting the improvement with the Forward position. The only true PG in the draft with good size was Rose, and once Walsh knew it wasn't happening, he didn't force the issue by drafting a combo G.

Who said anything about Ellis reflecting the garbage we have now at guard? That has nothing to do with it. The point is, who cares who is currently on the team because it's all expendable. That shouldn't preclude you from getting players at any position.

I wanted the player with the best chance of succeeding. Bayless, Alexander and Randolph were all better options.

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You're right, the Italian League is right up there with the NBA and the defense in those highlights was on par with the 94 Knicks. The 14/4 he averaged over there will easily translate to him being a superstar over here.

What was I thinking?

Yeah but Isles when it comes down to it, you are making the same assumptions about him that everyone else is.

How so? The odds of an Italian League player making it big in the NBA are really small. Why? Because success over there does not translate to the NBA. So the basis for my assumptions have much greater validity than those saying that he's going to be so successful here as some people have suggested.

Based on what data???? Define "making it"

Give me your list of Italian born European players who have made an impact in the NBA.

Why? Exactly how many Argentine players had an impact before Manu Ginobli? So the Spurs shoul have passed on him per your logic?

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You're right, the Italian League is right up there with the NBA and the defense in those highlights was on par with the 94 Knicks. The 14/4 he averaged over there will easily translate to him being a superstar over here.

What was I thinking?

Yeah but Isles when it comes down to it, you are making the same assumptions about him that everyone else is.

How so? The odds of an Italian League player making it big in the NBA are really small. Why? Because success over there does not translate to the NBA. So the basis for my assumptions have much greater validity than those saying that he's going to be so successful here as some people have suggested.

Based on what data???? Define "making it"

Give me your list of Italian born European players who have made an impact in the NBA.

Why? Exactly how many Argentine players had an impact before Manu Ginobli? So the Spurs shoul have passed on him per your logic?

You asked me what data I was using and I told you.

Yeah, because Ginobili, a guard, was able to become a very successful NBA player means that Gallinari will become the first Italian born player to achieve the same success. Great logic there.

His point is that Ginobili disproves the utility of your data, not that Ginobili proves the ability of Gallinari to excel.

How about this? How about we watch the fckn guy & see what he has?

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I kinda agree with Isles on this its an interview. Its not like he just played a game and dropped 18 points grabbed 7 rebs and dished out 4 assists. You can't get anything from an interview about the way he plays. Thats done on the basketball court. How his Italiian league playing days translates into the NBA still remains to be seen.

Of course not, Isles is right, this interview is pure fluff.

I'm just baffled by people calling him a bust already, as well as people saying he's going to be really good. I even said so in Purple's Larry Bird thread (sorry purple, you know you're my dude)

The point I'm trying to make to the Pro-Gallo people as well as the Negative-Gallo people is that not one of us has an idea what the player is going to be, since not one of us has watched him. I'm going to watch himself once this summer league games start and I'll have a much better idea of what he'll be, just like everyone else.

I mean yeah, it's great to see he's saying all the right things and I will say that I'm quite excited about him, but I think that excitement is based on the "unknown" that he is. We'll see what happens with the kid, I'm looking forward to it.

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In the end, it always comes down to that. Any unproven player - including Rose and Beasley - have to prove what they can do against nba competition. So we'll be going back and forth on this until Gallinari either passes or fails the test. From my side, I like the choice. He wasn't my first choice, but he was my second, given that some players I liked better were already taken. I don't think we have the next Larry Bird - not even close to that. But, IMO, we've got a guy who will develop into being a solid starter and possibly an all star.

I think the key for him to becoming a top player is to put on the muscle needed to play power forward, just as Chris Bosch did when he came into the league. He'll be a scoring power forward. There will be quite a few fours, who will have difficulty defending him - coming out to guard him at the three point line and staying in front of him if they try to play him tight. Also, with his point guard experience, he won't have problems passing out of double teams. On the defensive end, he'll also do better at the four.

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An assumption based on something tangible, like past evidence, is more valid than one based on hope.

No doubt there is hope involved with people hoping he play well, but let's not minimize the fact that you are hoping he sucks too.

No doubt, but my hoping that he sucks is based on something tangible.

Why would you hope that he scks? I have some question marks but my hope is that is his game translates better than I anticpate and that he turns into a really nice ballplayer--I don't see how a Knick fan hopes that he is bad???

Yeah, seriously? Why do you hope he sucks?

Seriously, I can understand fearing he might suck, or even thinking he will suck, but if you really hope he sucks, I really wonder why you've bothered spending the hours you have racking up 10,000 posts on this site. Without any possible strategic long term or short term benefit of the team for hoping he sucks (at least you haven't stated any) I'd think you'd have better things to do than waste time here hoping the team continues to suck.

I'm still trying to figure out why you think Gallo is so slow and stiff legged? I looked at all the available vids of the kid and I don't see any evidence of that. He's not Lebron but he can move. He has long strides which you might expect from a 6-10 player, but they aren't stiff like a Frye, Horry or Mutombo. He's actually pretty smooth and fluid.

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Posted by islesfan:

Jesus, doesn't anybody have a sense of humor around here??? It's called sarcasm, I have used it before. A lot actually.

Come on, do you honestly believe that I hope he sucks?

Believing and hoping are two totally different things.

Alright, you're entitled to your opinion. But if you were hoping for it, then I really was going to feel more sorry for you wasting your time here than the hopeless optimists.

This franchise has turned a lot of their fans jaded. Why am I being singled out?

Another thread pumping this kid up before he's even played a Summer League Game yet alone an actual NBA game.

In a way, that hope is the only thing that unites everyone on this website.