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BRIGGS
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7/4/2008  9:21 PM
Posted by martin:
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Posted by DaMano718:

what is the issue here. We have a potentially good pg, under d;antoni, and if anything, this will make marbury compete his ass off this yr, to get his next contract with another team... for 3mm a yr, or 6.5 total, this makes absolute sence. Anything to get production out of marbury is worth a short, small contract like that. and second, if it doesnt motivate marbury, then duhon might be something special... if d'antoni thinks this kid can thrive in his system, then i am going to have to take my chances with this kid... coach is the expert on pg play, not us.

Also--lets just stay with facts---Marcus Banks the year before he came to Pheonix and when he left Pheonix--show me with fact how Dantoni made him better? Marcus Banks is the guy he wanted.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3716/career;_ylt=AmOh.fS9.XZI90dWo2vWSf2kvLYF

BRIGGS, you are coach. How do you distribute minutes at the 1 & 2 between Nash, Bell, Barbosa?

martin---Barbosa and Bell are primarily 2 guards. Dantoni brought Banks in to be the back up but it didnt work out well.
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7/4/2008  9:29 PM
I want to add one more point about Duhon to the four I listed above. Duhon takes care of the ball. His turnover numbers are always very low. Look, we're not getting a young Walt Frazier. We're getting a solid pg who will do the little things that should help us win.

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.
5) He protects the ball.
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7/4/2008  10:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Duhon isn't Chris Childs or Charlie Ward. He's Mardy Collins with a slightly better jumpshot.

If you; and BRIGGS for this matter; doesn't like D'Antony and Walsh it will be hard for you to accept anything they do.
Don't be blinded by pure hate... It looks stupid and is annoying indeed...

Duhon is Knick in first place because of the Dolans order (yes he is still THE BOSS) to get read of Steph at any cost.
And if your Boss is asking for some little favor... you need to comply.



[Edited by - arkrud on 07-04-2008 10:17 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 07-04-2008 10:18 PM]
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7/4/2008  10:24 PM
New to site!

Things are looking up!

Gallanari in the draft! And Duhon on the cheap!

Might not be a superstar player but Neither was Nash before he met D'Antoni! Coach D has coached this kid on the USA practice and likes his game!

And players wanting to play for a 23 game winner!

Thats enough for me! But its nice to know when he has received minutes he has done quite well! He played the most when the Bulls were in the playoffs! 6.5 assists in 34 min a game as a starter ! He was 23 at the time and to me if he can D up like he has and give out 6 or 7 dimes he has more then earned his money.

This just got started though I see big things to come.....................

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7/4/2008  10:25 PM
funny how when Gordon replaced Duhon in the SL the Bulls went to crap. Lets see, sets up teammates, plays excellent D
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7/4/2008  10:26 PM
Posted by Ira:

I want to add one more point about Duhon to the four I listed above. Duhon takes care of the ball. His turnover numbers are always very low. Look, we're not getting a young Walt Frazier. We're getting a solid pg who will do the little things that should help us win.

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.
5) He protects the ball.


Marbury is still the most talented guard on our roster and he'll be playing for one last payday. It will be interesting to see how things pan out, but based on skill alone... Duhon better hope Steph blows an ACL




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7/4/2008  10:26 PM
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But Duhon played for Mike Krzyzewski at Duke, and Coach K no doubt gave D'Antoni the rundown on Duhon when the two convened last week with Team USA. And Duhon immediately signaled his commitment to D'Antoni by agreeing to join the team for summer league in Las Vegas.
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7/4/2008  10:34 PM
they should now buyout marbury and begin the 2009 tank.

1/2 the freaking team now used to be bulls, but as long as there is forward progress
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7/4/2008  10:35 PM
Posted by umynot:

New to site!

Things are looking up!

Gallanari in the draft! And Duhon on the cheap!

Might not be a superstar player but Neither was Nash before he met D'Antoni! Coach D has coached this kid on the USA practice and likes his game!

And players wanting to play for a 23 game winner!

Thats enough for me! But its nice to know when he has received minutes he has done quite well! He played the most when the Bulls were in the playoffs! 6.5 assists in 34 min a game as a starter ! He was 23 at the time and to me if he can D up like he has and give out 6 or 7 dimes he has more then earned his money.

This just got started though I see big things to come.....................


We didn't get Duhon on the cheap we got him on short contract.
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7/4/2008  10:42 PM
Chris Duhon is a good pick up, he's a pass-first point guard that likes to play defense and can shoot the long ball. He offers something the Knicks doesn't have, and I would rather have him play PG than Crawford or Nate. This is a good signing, and there's only so much you can do with the mid-level exception. It's not a spectacular move by Donnie, but it's very solid that temporarily fills some needs for the Knicks.

I remember just a year ago, many of the posters on this forum would agree the Knicks have the talent to be a playoff caliber team on the East, but needs some balance and team chemistry. Donnie Walsh have done a good job filling these needs by bringing Gallanari and Duhon, and bringing a successful coach (in Phoenix and Europe) who preaches team basketball.

At the end, I would like to say the Knicks needs a major roster overhaul (the starting 5 at least) in order to be a championship caliber team. And if the Knicks had desirable players with good contracts, the Knicks can acheive what the T-Wolves, Nets, Grizzlies, and Heat done in one season. And if there is another Isiah Thomas in the league, the Knicks can get the kind of talented players the Suns and Bulls did in a season or so. But there isn't another GM like Isiah, so Donnie just have to wait and make conservative decision until a sensible trade comes along. Hopefully, some of our core players can play some good basketball this season and increase their value, so we can trade them for expiring contracts and draft picks.
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7/4/2008  10:51 PM
Posted by islesfan:

This team needed a facilitator. They needed someone to help inflate the numbers of some of the players who we need to trade in the next 2 years. Duhon isn't that guy. He's nothing more than a mediocre backup.

This move is a total waste of time.


I disagree with on the D'Antoni hire, but I totaly agree with you here. This is a lateral move if that. He's not a pure point guard, and he doesn't make anyone better. This seems to be a move made just to make a move.
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7/4/2008  10:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by DaMano718:

what is the issue here. We have a potentially good pg, under d;antoni, and if anything, this will make marbury compete his ass off this yr, to get his next contract with another team... for 3mm a yr, or 6.5 total, this makes absolute sence. Anything to get production out of marbury is worth a short, small contract like that. and second, if it doesnt motivate marbury, then duhon might be something special... if d'antoni thinks this kid can thrive in his system, then i am going to have to take my chances with this kid... coach is the expert on pg play, not us.

Also--lets just stay with facts---Marcus Banks the year before he came to Pheonix and when he left Pheonix--show me with fact how Dantoni made him better? Marcus Banks is the guy he wanted.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3716/career;_ylt=AmOh.fS9.XZI90dWo2vWSf2kvLYF

BRIGGS, you are coach. How do you distribute minutes at the 1 & 2 between Nash, Bell, Barbosa?

martin---Barbosa and Bell are primarily 2 guards. Dantoni brought Banks in to be the back up but it didnt work out well.

I know they are primarily 2's. And primarily Nash played 35 minutes a game. Bell averaged 35 minutes a game too while shooting 40% from 3 point land and playing above average D. Barbaso, as the other 2, shoots 46% FG% and 38% from 3point land.

Again, as a coach do you cut down on the MVP minutes, primary 2 guard defensive minutes or your almost 6th man of the year guard or give it to Banks?

Banks didn't work out, who cares? Mike had other guards that were pulling the weight.
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7/4/2008  10:58 PM
Duhon is solid and regardless what you think mid level is on the cheap! Not to mention he could of signed elsewhere for more money and years!

As far as Coach D how can anyone not like him? He is the real life King Midas everything he touches turns to gold!

He has not won the big one yet but what better stage to do it on?
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7/4/2008  11:01 PM
Marcus Banks is one athletic combo guard, but that's all I can say about him. He took advantage of the playing time in the depleted T-Wolves team in 2005-2006, and earned himself a 5 year, mid-level contract. He was suppose to play back up PG for Steve Nash, but they couldn't groom him to play PG, and he wasn't a better 2-guard than Barbosa or Raja, so he just rode the bench. This situation doesn't say much about D'Antoni developing players, this is more of a situation where the player has a SG mentality and tendency in a PG body. Also, I would say this was more of a poor signing by the Suns than say it was D'Antoni's inability to develop players.
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7/4/2008  11:06 PM
Also, forgot to mention, Raja and Barbosa thrived under D'Antoni's system and tutelage.
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7/4/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by umynot:

Duhon is solid and regardless what you think mid level is on the cheap! Not to mention he could of signed elsewhere for more money and years!

As far as Coach D how can anyone not like him? He is the real life King Midas everything he touches turns to gold!

He has not won the big one yet but what better stage to do it on?

Lets be honest and stop the BS. Chris Duhon is a decent back up level PG in the NBA. We signed him for two years. He wont get us to a championship level-he wont even have an impact--so it's a non event. The only thing I care about is 4 things

getting rid of 2010 cap players

losing as many games as possible next year.

Develop Gallinari and Chandler and they should be given priority PT I hope we keep D lee but we would have to get rid of Craw Curry and Randolph to do it---at worst get rid of curry and craw[doable] and find a team who will take randolph for 3 year mle and buy him out[unless there is a deal to be made?????]

Chris duhon=nothing really waste of money that will be spewed on to ticketholders for no reason 6mm per??? which =12mm per???

We need development another high pick in2008 and cap room in 2010 everything else is irrelevant

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-04-2008 11:18 PM]
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7/4/2008  11:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by umynot:

Duhon is solid and regardless what you think mid level is on the cheap! Not to mention he could of signed elsewhere for more money and years!

As far as Coach D how can anyone not like him? He is the real life King Midas everything he touches turns to gold!

He has not won the big one yet but what better stage to do it on?

Lets be honest and stop the BS. Chris Duhon is a decent back up level PG in the NBA. We signed him for two years. He wont get us to a championship level-he wont even have an impact--so it's a non event. The only thing I care about is 4 things

getting rid of 2010 cap players

losing as many games as possible next year.

Develop Gallinari and Chandler and they should be given priority PT I hope we keep D lee but we would have to get rid of Craw Curry and Randolph to do it---at worst get rid of curry and craw[doable] and find a team who will take randolph for 3 year mle and buy him out[unless there is a deal to be made?????]

Chris duhon=nothing really waste of money that will be spewed on to ticketholders for no reason 6mm per??? which =12mm per???

We need development another high pick in2008 and cap room in 2010 everything else is irrelevant

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-04-2008 11:18 PM]

He is a pass first guard how plays D. That helps Curry and Zbo and elevating their value. Also helps guys like Chandler and Galli if he is passing instead of trying to jack up points and shots like Crawford or a contract fighting Marbury.
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7/4/2008  11:31 PM
BRIGGS, minutes? Banks, Nash, Bell, Barbosa?
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7/4/2008  11:41 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by umynot:

Duhon is solid and regardless what you think mid level is on the cheap! Not to mention he could of signed elsewhere for more money and years!

As far as Coach D how can anyone not like him? He is the real life King Midas everything he touches turns to gold!

He has not won the big one yet but what better stage to do it on?

Lets be honest and stop the BS. Chris Duhon is a decent back up level PG in the NBA. We signed him for two years. He wont get us to a championship level-he wont even have an impact--so it's a non event. The only thing I care about is 4 things

getting rid of 2010 cap players

losing as many games as possible next year.

Develop Gallinari and Chandler and they should be given priority PT I hope we keep D lee but we would have to get rid of Craw Curry and Randolph to do it---at worst get rid of curry and craw[doable] and find a team who will take randolph for 3 year mle and buy him out[unless there is a deal to be made?????]

Chris duhon=nothing really waste of money that will be spewed on to ticketholders for no reason 6mm per??? which =12mm per???

We need development another high pick in2008 and cap room in 2010 everything else is irrelevant

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-04-2008 11:18 PM]

He is a pass first guard how plays D. That helps Curry and Zbo and elevating their value. Also helps guys like Chandler and Galli if he is passing instead of trying to jack up points and shots like Crawford or a contract fighting Marbury.

Randolph is what he is. Curry had his best year before they traded for Z-bo and wrecked some of the momentum they had Basketball is basketball and Duhon is back up PG--who do you think he is chris paul? come on now you're over doing it just a tad???? a back up PG is going to elevate the Knicks
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7/4/2008  11:44 PM
Posted by martin:

BRIGGS, minutes? Banks, Nash, Bell, Barbosa?

martinm--the onl;y thing that matters here is that they gave Banks a full MLE because Dantoni wanted him as the back up PG--that kind of kills his player evaluation credibility a tad. Chris Duhon is a 39% lifetime back up PG who we just gave 6mm per to--so what--who did he make better on chicago tyrus thomas? how about nobody.
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