[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

suns draft war room
Author Thread
martin
Posts: 80070
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/30/2008  10:46 PM
Posted by Hank:

Haha, I figure someone was going to ask me put up an Alba picture. TMS, thanks for the compliment, althought I don't consider much of a gentleman & scholar, but it's important to make a good first impression. Also, you seem to have the best and most abundant supplies of hotties; where is a good place I can start finding them?

it's more important to make a good first impression vis-à-vis the Alba thread. Welcome.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
AUTOADVERT
martin
Posts: 80070
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/30/2008  10:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

i could tell u but then i'd have to kill u brah.

don't lie now... www.googleporn.com
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
6/30/2008  11:03 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Here was their Top 10

1.Rose
2.Beasley
3.Mayo
4.B Lopez
5.Love
6.randolph
7.Gordon
8.Alexander
9.Westbrook

10.Gallinari


All before Gall-Atari and I'd wager he was probably projected around this spot on most other teams Mocks/Board in the league.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 12:59 PM]

Well hey look. I know we're all experts here but we're simply not the ones running things. Regardless of their plan it's going to take Walsh and DAntoni quite some time to get us heading in not only the right direction but a new direction. We're talking a minimum of a season and a half.

They have a vision. They're immediately on the same page regarding that vision. They're moving forward with it.

With Gallinari he has the family friendship ties, he suits DAntoni's style, and he was not selected to be an immediate saviour nor to be marketed as a foundation stone. He is merely a piece that fits the long term puzzle and it just so happened he came first.

Given the state of the team there was no home run at #6. There was no clear cut chance to dump a contract that night. So Gallinari fits the long term plan as a piece of the puzzle and they took him.

I think as fans we all need to back away from the home run scenarios that have plagued the team for 7+ seasons. It's not going to happen and there's no reason to get all riled up over one single move believing we blew some sort of chance to hit a home run. The home run just isn't there.

As the team is shaped for all we know Gallinari fits perfectly for the final product which is a couple of seasons away. Again, he just happened to come first.

It's a basketball team not a skyscraper. We don't have to pour the foundation first. No harm in acquiring the paint now and setting it aside. When you see a piece that fits you get it and that's what they have done here.


very well said cosmic... where have you been?
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
6/30/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:

i could tell u but then i'd have to kill u brah.

don't lie now... www.googleporn.com

oh no you don't.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
6/30/2008  11:28 PM
Posted by martin:


You want more of the isiah aggressive style trades? Didn't we just have 3-4 years of that crap?

There's nothing wrong with being aggressive on the trade front as long as it's smart and part of a plan. Don't confuse that with anything that Isiah did. That was just BS, "WOW, he's available? Just name your price."
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
martin
Posts: 80070
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
6/30/2008  11:30 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:


You want more of the isiah aggressive style trades? Didn't we just have 3-4 years of that crap?

There's nothing wrong with being aggressive on the trade front as long as it's smart and part of a plan. Don't confuse that with anything that Isiah did. That was just BS, "WOW, he's available? Just name your price."

And the plan is to get under cap by 2010. That slows a lot of things. And why Donnie will probably be patient.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
VDesai
Posts: 43301
Alba Posts: 44
Joined: 10/28/2003
Member: #477
USA
6/30/2008  11:35 PM
I think ultimately, judging by the costs of what it took to move around this draft, the reason Donnie didn't make a move for a late pick was b/c he had half his draft picks for the next 2-3 years traded out from under him by the prior regime. I would've liked to have seen him flex more muscle by throwing around some money for picks, but the opportunity might not have materialized for the right player.
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/1/2008  12:02 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:


You want more of the isiah aggressive style trades? Didn't we just have 3-4 years of that crap?

There's nothing wrong with being aggressive on the trade front as long as it's smart and part of a plan. Don't confuse that with anything that Isiah did. That was just BS, "WOW, he's available? Just name your price."

And the plan is to get under cap by 2010. That slows a lot of things. And why Donnie will probably be patient.

I understand that and I support that plan but IMHO Walsh missed out on some solid opportunities to acquire assets and wasted the highest lottery pick that the franchise is going to have until 2011, on a one dimensional unknown tweener.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Andrew
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #1
USA
7/1/2008  8:06 AM
Posted by islesfan:

...and wasted the highest lottery pick that the franchise is going to have until 2011, on a one dimensional unknown tweener.

I take it you think we are going to be better than last year?

PURE KNICKS LOVE
Cosmic
Posts: 26570
Alba Posts: 27
Joined: 3/17/2006
Member: #1115
USA
7/1/2008  8:58 AM
Posted by tkf:


Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Here was their Top 10

1.Rose
2.Beasley
3.Mayo
4.B Lopez
5.Love
6.randolph
7.Gordon
8.Alexander
9.Westbrook

10.Gallinari


All before Gall-Atari and I'd wager he was probably projected around this spot on most other teams Mocks/Board in the league.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 12:59 PM]

Well hey look. I know we're all experts here but we're simply not the ones running things. Regardless of their plan it's going to take Walsh and DAntoni quite some time to get us heading in not only the right direction but a new direction. We're talking a minimum of a season and a half.

They have a vision. They're immediately on the same page regarding that vision. They're moving forward with it.

With Gallinari he has the family friendship ties, he suits DAntoni's style, and he was not selected to be an immediate saviour nor to be marketed as a foundation stone. He is merely a piece that fits the long term puzzle and it just so happened he came first.

Given the state of the team there was no home run at #6. There was no clear cut chance to dump a contract that night. So Gallinari fits the long term plan as a piece of the puzzle and they took him.

I think as fans we all need to back away from the home run scenarios that have plagued the team for 7+ seasons. It's not going to happen and there's no reason to get all riled up over one single move believing we blew some sort of chance to hit a home run. The home run just isn't there.

As the team is shaped for all we know Gallinari fits perfectly for the final product which is a couple of seasons away. Again, he just happened to come first.

It's a basketball team not a skyscraper. We don't have to pour the foundation first. No harm in acquiring the paint now and setting it aside. When you see a piece that fits you get it and that's what they have done here.


very well said cosmic... where have you been?



I've been on the road my good man. Still am actually. Finally got a moment to check up on the goings on in Knick land.

Apologies to anyone who was looking for some local media from the draft - haven't been home since last Tuesday.
http://popcornmachine.net/ A must-use tool for NBA stat junkies!
Nalod
Posts: 72114
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
7/1/2008  10:49 PM
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/1/2008  11:10 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by islesfan:

...and wasted the highest lottery pick that the franchise is going to have until 2011, on a one dimensional unknown tweener.

I take it you think we are going to be better than last year?

"Better" is a relative term.

Do I think that they'll be better using a System that masks flaws like defense while accentuating the one trait that these players care about, offense? Yeah, I do think they'll be "better" than 23 wins because of this system and their draft pick won't be as high next year.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/1/2008  11:10 PM
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/1/2008  11:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.

good luck with brook lopez. i hear his lateral quickness is to die for.
¿ △ ?
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/1/2008  11:22 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.

good luck with brook lopez. i hear his lateral quickness is to die for.

I guess it's a good thing that he's a Center and plays in the paint. If he were a slow SF or a weak PF, I'd be worried.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/1/2008  11:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.

good luck with brook lopez. i hear his lateral quickness is to die for.

I guess it's a good thing that he's a Center and plays in the paint. If he were a slow SF or a weak PF, I'd be worried.

yeah, I guess as PF you've got the lateral quickness of Josh Boone to worry about, the fact that the coach benched Sean Williams for no reason, the fact that the nets don't want to sign nenad anymore and at SF you've got the lateral quickness of Yi to worry about and no back up.

i'm sure the plan that lebron will want to come to nj to play second fiddle to the knicks will work out, though. one thing about kiki - he can clear long-term contracts and take back garbage like no one else, but he really hasn't demonstrated a knowledge of drafting or signing free agents to write home about.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-07-2008 11:28 PM]
¿ △ ?
TrueBlue
Posts: 29144
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 9/20/2006
Member: #1172

7/1/2008  11:29 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.

good luck with brook lopez. i hear his lateral quickness is to die for.

I guess it's a good thing that he's a Center and plays in the paint. If he were a slow SF or a weak PF, I'd be worried.


I can't believe our fan base sometimes. Seriously it's unreal. Our fans are extremely Geeked over some unknown foreign that has just as much Bust Potential in him as he has Upside but have the nerve to try and crap on a team who had 3 draft picks and made good selections with them considering draft positions. If Many of us are Geeked over the 6th pick I can only imagine what we'd be saying if we had pick say 18 and 37 in the draft respective to Jersey's pick selection. Some of us would literally lose it.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 10:38 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/1/2008  11:37 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.

good luck with brook lopez. i hear his lateral quickness is to die for.

I guess it's a good thing that he's a Center and plays in the paint. If he were a slow SF or a weak PF, I'd be worried.


I can't believe our fan bas sometimes. Seriously it's unreal. Our fans are extremely Geeked over some unknown foreign that has just as much Bust Potential in him as he has Upside but have the nerve to try and crap on a team who had 3 draft picks and made good selections with them considering draft positions. If Many of use are Geeked over the 6th pick I can only imagine what we'd be saying if we had pick say 18 and 37 in the draft respective to Jersey's pick selection. Some of us would literally lose it.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 10:30 PM]

that's funny, I was just thinking that i can't believe how much some of our fan base resemble trolls. brook lopez is a bust waiting to happen. CDR is gonna be good, he'll probably be the nets leading scorer next year after Vince decides to sit out the year with a sprained ankle. hope that's enough to lure Bron.
¿ △ ?
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
7/2/2008  12:31 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Nalod:
I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

Isles, your sounding like a very typical impatient knick fan.

Be cool, this is gonna take a while.

you want to admire a GM and roster changes, I suggest you take an interest in the Nets.

Way ahead of you.

good luck with brook lopez. i hear his lateral quickness is to die for.

I guess it's a good thing that he's a Center and plays in the paint. If he were a slow SF or a weak PF, I'd be worried.

yeah, I guess as PF you've got the lateral quickness of Josh Boone to worry about, the fact that the coach benched Sean Williams for no reason, the fact that the nets don't want to sign nenad anymore and at SF you've got the lateral quickness of Yi to worry about and no back up.

i'm sure the plan that lebron will want to come to nj to play second fiddle to the knicks will work out, though. one thing about kiki - he can clear long-term contracts and take back garbage like no one else, but he really hasn't demonstrated a knowledge of drafting or signing free agents to write home about.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-07-2008 11:28 PM]

Now you're talking about Josh Boone? He's a decent young player and could become a solid backup. Why are you so worried about him again?

Sean Williams is a young player who needs discipline. I'm glad to see that Frank isn't afraid to give him some. He's already a solid rebounder and an excellent shot blocker.

Yi can be a good player but I'm certainly not going to go crazy about him in any way.

It sure is nice to have a plan and be in a position where you have a ton of options in 2010.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
technomaster
Posts: 23353
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/30/2003
Member: #426
USA
7/2/2008  1:02 AM
A little off-topic (but following the latest bits of this thread), who knows what the Nets are doing. They currently are overloaded at the big man positions with loads of players (Boone, Williams, Lopez, and Krstic... plus the other 2 picks) that need PT to get better. And that doesn't include Diop. If the goal is to use these players as trade bait, it'll be hard showcasing all of them. (though in this case, since they're all young, you could get by trying to sell potential)

I'm a little shocked that they gave up on Krstic - he was clearly a top-10 center on the way up 2 seasons ago before his knee injury.
“That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
suns draft war room

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy