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6/28/2008  3:42 AM
briggs your hypothetical uconn team is not only ludicrous but completely irrelevant. enough already.

i also have to question, as many others have, this '4 levels down' nonsense when euro teams have BEATEN nba teams and the freaking US came in 3rd at the last olympics. the whole stressing his PPG is ludicrous, he was a good player on a good team in europe as a 19 year old, that is impressive.

bayless is not a point and d'antoni needs a true point to run his team. i'd rather wait until next year and take brandon jennings (who is -- SURPRISE -- playing in EUR and not at arizona next yr), ricky rubio, or johnny flynn.
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6/28/2008  3:42 AM
Man, I just look up the stats. He shot 41% the lowest in his career up to that point. There was nobody on that team.
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6/28/2008  3:42 AM
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You guys lost me when I see the Human Highlight getting MVP honors in 96. Wasn't he on like on one bad leg. Also, to take the point further, if you did well in the NCAA putting up great numbers you should do well in the Euro League based on the Langdon argument following that logic. So a guy like Anthony Randolph who put up pretty good numbers in the rugged SEC, should be great over there.

Nique did win MVP in 96. Then he came back to the NBA one year later and averaged 18 pts and 6 boards a game with the Spurs in just 30 minutes a night. you make it sound like Nique couldn't play worth a lick at that point

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 03:26 AM]

Are you talking about the year when the Spurs tank the season. Wasn't that a MASH unit out on that court.

You just compared him to Anthony Randolph. Do you think Randolph is going anywhere next season and putting up numbers like that for ANY team or leading any team to any significant amount of wins? You basically just tried to make Nique in 96 out to be a scrub, and now when thats proven not to be the case you're getting on him for putting up numbers on a bad team
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6/28/2008  3:45 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

briggs your hypothetical uconn team is not only ludicrous but completely irrelevant. enough already.

i also have to question, as many others have, this '4 levels down' nonsense when euro teams have BEATEN nba teams and the freaking US came in 3rd at the last olympics. the whole stressing his PPG is ludicrous, he was a good player on a good team in europe as a 19 year old, that is impressive.

bayless is not a point and d'antoni needs a true point to run his team. i'd rather wait until next year and take brandon jennings (who is -- SURPRISE -- playing in EUR and not at arizona next yr), ricky rubio, or johnny flynn.

Those aren't Euro teams, those were National teams that beat USA Team.
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6/28/2008  3:46 AM
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You guys lost me when I see the Human Highlight getting MVP honors in 96. Wasn't he on like on one bad leg. Also, to take the point further, if you did well in the NCAA putting up great numbers you should do well in the Euro League based on the Langdon argument following that logic. So a guy like Anthony Randolph who put up pretty good numbers in the rugged SEC, should be great over there.

Nique did win MVP in 96. Then he came back to the NBA one year later and averaged 18 pts and 6 boards a game with the Spurs in just 30 minutes a night. you make it sound like Nique couldn't play worth a lick at that point

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 03:26 AM]

Are you talking about the year when the Spurs tank the season. Wasn't that a MASH unit out on that court.

You just compared him to Anthony Randolph. Do you think Randolph is going anywhere next season and putting up numbers like that for ANY team or leading any team to any significant amount of wins? You basically just tried to make Nique in 96 out to be a scrub, and now when thats proven not to be the case you're getting on him for putting up numbers on a bad team

I said he won MVP honors in that league. Did he win the MVP in 1997 in the NBA?
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6/28/2008  3:47 AM
No Nique didn't win MVP in 1997 in the NBA. Is there a point in there somewhere? Is your point that the NBA is stronger than Euro League? Congrats, you just made a point that no one in the history of western civilization would disagree with

But thats not the issue. The issue is Mens D1 vs Euro, and no NBA scout on the planet earth will tell you College D1 is a higher level of play than Euro League
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6/28/2008  3:48 AM
pharezone, fact of the matter is just b/c you don't play in the NBA doesn't mean you can't play. you even proved a better point, most of those teams had guys who didn't play in the NBA, didn't italy win silver in 04 by the way? the rooster was probably too young to be on the team, but there are ppl who can play basketball outside the united states. failure to accept that is straight ignorance, esp. after the US got mopped up in the world championships in 02 and embarassed in 04 w/ larry brown and AI and timmy D (and who could forget starbury).

to say that euro league isn't even as good as the NCAA is laughable, to say its on par with high school basketball is just uninformed, xenophobic, or both

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6/28/2008  3:54 AM
The point is that Anthony Randolph put up pretty good numbers in the SEC. Would that translate to Euro League. I mean it can't just go one way. If talent NCAA players who could not make in the NBA or get drafted in the NBA have pretty good success over there. Where does that rank a Freshman who had pretty good success. You telling me he couldn't put up similar numbers over there with the big boys.
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6/28/2008  3:56 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

The point is that Anthony Randolph put up pretty good numbers in the SEC. Would that translate to Euro League. I mean it can't just go one way. If talent NCAA players who could not make in the NBA or get drafted in the NBA have pretty good success over there. Where does that rank a Freshman who had pretty good success. You telling me he couldn't put up similar numbers over there with the big boys.

Anthony Randolph would probably be a very good player in Euro League. But about 80% of his LSU tiger teammates will be phys ed teachers in 4 years, and if his LSU team played a squad in euro league they would get trounced.

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6/28/2008  3:57 AM
i think anthony randolph could play and play well in the euro league, he'd probably put up 3-4 blocks, 7 or 8 rebounds, and struggle to score at an efficient clip. randolph played out of position b/c his team was so bad at lsu.

you said it yourself pharezone, it can't just go one way. ppl act like putting up good scoring numbers (and thats the word on him, he's a good scorer) on a good team in the euro league as a 19 year old is a bad thing.
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6/28/2008  3:57 AM
Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.
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6/28/2008  3:59 AM
the fact of this freaking thread is 'gallinari stats from euro league play' i mean i think the tone of this thread is clear.

if you want to say there hasn't been a good euro since dirk or bargnani has NOT lived up to the hype and the only other italian (bellineli) was buried on the bench for the warriors this year, those are valid arguments. but to bring up his euroleague numbers is pretty silly b/c they are good for a 19 year old
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6/28/2008  4:01 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.

Why didn't Eli Manning or Peyton Manning go to the scouting combine and throw passes for scouts side by side with the other QB in the draft? Players always make decisions based on their draft stock, and if there is no benefit to doing something to enhance your stock, there is no reason to do it. Gallinari is not the first and he won't be the last. His stock was pretty much set as a top 10 pick, and he wanted specifically to go to the Knicks or the Nets

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 04:02 AM]
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Those guys would dominate NCAA competition. Point is, the worst players would be all conference players .. plus experience. He's not playing against these guys when they were 20 years old. He's playing against them now, against them in their prime. These teams played NBA teams competitively last pre-season. Its not an argument guys.. really, just accept it.

After Westbrook went, they like this kid better than anything left. I don't have a problem with it. Randolph would have been nice on a trade down.. but they liked Gallinari's skill better. We have a bunch of fans that like athleticism here.. this is more of a size/skill pick.. with very under-rated athleticism. He can't jump.. but that is about it. He's a potential nightmare to matchup against. I trust Walsh and D'Antoni on this one. Seeing him cross up power forwards at 19, at his height.. helped to convince me.
thank you for providing a reasonable take on this... just because the Knicks didn't take the exact player you wanted doesn't mean they made a terrible mistake... any draft pick is always a wait & see proposition no matter if his name is OJ Mayo or Ante Tomic (sorry isles, i had to use that one... that one threw me for a loop when u picked him in the mock)

bottomline for me, if this kid can get the ball into the hole, be a good team player, play w/some guts & not be a pain in the butt, that's pretty much all i care about at this point.
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the fact of this freaking thread is 'gallinari stats from euro league play' i mean i think the tone of this thread is clear.

if you want to say there hasn't been a good euro since dirk or bargnani has NOT lived up to the hype and the only other italian (bellineli) was buried on the bench for the warriors this year, those are valid arguments. but to bring up his euroleague numbers is pretty silly b/c they are good for a 19 year old

We can only go his stats in a league that is not heavily viewed by the public. We have to take the word of guys like Fraschilla, the Chad Fords and Kevin Wilson, telling us that his stats are impressive because he played in the Euro League, oh btw is a better league than the NCAA. And that's why he is the BPA and not a guy like Randolph who put better numbers. Then when you get the opportunity to work them out, they don't want to go head to head with the NCAA guys.
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Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.

Why didn't Eli Manning or Peyton Manning go to the scouting combine and throw passes for scouts side by side with the other QB in the draft? Players always make decisions based on their draft stock, and if there is no benefit to doing something to enhance your stock, there is no reason to do it. Gallinari is not the first and he won't be the last. His stock was pretty much set as a top 10 pick, and he wanted specifically to go to the Knicks or the Nets

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 04:02 AM]

You know that is a common Euro tatic. I won't address the Manning point because it ridiculous.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
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the fact of this freaking thread is 'gallinari stats from euro league play' i mean i think the tone of this thread is clear.

if you want to say there hasn't been a good euro since dirk or bargnani has NOT lived up to the hype and the only other italian (bellineli) was buried on the bench for the warriors this year, those are valid arguments. but to bring up his euroleague numbers is pretty silly b/c they are good for a 19 year old

We can only go his stats in a league that is not heavily viewed by the public. We have to take the word of guys like Fraschilla, the Chad Fords and Kevin Wilson, telling us that his stats are impressive because he played in the Euro League, oh btw is a better league than the NCAA. And that's why he is the BPA and not a guy like Randolph who put better numbers. Then when you get the opportunity to work them out, they don't want to go head to head with the NCAA guys.

Not heavily viewed by the public? Who cares how much the public views these leagues. As if the NCAA IS heavily viewed by the public? Be honest, how many times you see Anthony Randolph play this year? 2?

The fact is the NBA is a team full of organizations worth multi millions of dollar's each. They have these things called scouts who they pay to go over there and watch these games. They aren't making these decisions by typing in "Danilo Gallinari" on a youtube search and watching a 3 minute clip
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6/28/2008  4:11 AM
Posted by KnicksSince88:
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Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.

Why didn't Eli Manning or Peyton Manning go to the scouting combine and throw passes for scouts side by side with the other QB in the draft? Players always make decisions based on their draft stock, and if there is no benefit to doing something to enhance your stock, there is no reason to do it. Gallinari is not the first and he won't be the last. His stock was pretty much set as a top 10 pick, and he wanted specifically to go to the Knicks or the Nets

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 04:02 AM]

exactly, there's no reason for a highly touted player to go up against guys who are trying to prove themselves so they can move up in scrimmages... there's absolutely nothing to gain for the former player by doing this & everything to gain for the latter... it's business, nothing more nothing less... we'll all see soon enough how Gallinari stacks up against real NBA competition... until then i don't see how you can kill this pick before he's even had a chance to show what he can do.
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Posted by KnicksSince88:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Another point and this is a shot at Gallinari (I don't want to but it troubled me), why wouldn't he go head to head against Randolph who had no issue going head to head against him.

Why didn't Eli Manning or Peyton Manning go to the scouting combine and throw passes for scouts side by side with the other QB in the draft? Players always make decisions based on their draft stock, and if there is no benefit to doing something to enhance your stock, there is no reason to do it. Gallinari is not the first and he won't be the last. His stock was pretty much set as a top 10 pick, and he wanted specifically to go to the Knicks or the Nets

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 04:02 AM]

You know that is a common Euro tatic. I won't address the Manning point because it ridiculous.

How is the Manning point ridiculous? You obviously don't know how any drafts in this country go. When a guy's stock is cemented to a level where he feels comfortable with, he has absolutely no reason to do anything extra that could only hurt it

You'd make a pretty awful agent
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the fact of this freaking thread is 'gallinari stats from euro league play' i mean i think the tone of this thread is clear.

if you want to say there hasn't been a good euro since dirk or bargnani has NOT lived up to the hype and the only other italian (bellineli) was buried on the bench for the warriors this year, those are valid arguments. but to bring up his euroleague numbers is pretty silly b/c they are good for a 19 year old

We can only go his stats in a league that is not heavily viewed by the public. We have to take the word of guys like Fraschilla, the Chad Fords and Kevin Wilson, telling us that his stats are impressive because he played in the Euro League, oh btw is a better league than the NCAA. And that's why he is the BPA and not a guy like Randolph who put better numbers. Then when you get the opportunity to work them out, they don't want to go head to head with the NCAA guys.

Not heavily viewed by the public? Who cares how much the public views these leagues. As if the NCAA IS heavily viewed by the public? Be honest, how many times you see Anthony Randolph play this year? 2?

The fact is the NBA is a team full of organizations worth multi millions of dollar's each. They have these things called scouts who they pay to go over there and watch these games. They aren't making these decisions by typing in "Danilo Gallinari" on a youtube search and watching a 3 minute clip

I watch alot of him but I follow college ball. The point is that it is accessible. Yeah I forgot Walsh sent Isiah over to find out who that guy was last month.
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