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6/26/2008  9:14 PM
no one's certain if he's gonna be a stud or not, but let's at least give him a chance before we call him a bust is all i'm sayin... in theory i think he can fit in nicely.
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6/26/2008  9:15 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:

everyone agreed that this team lacked a perimeter shooter all last season at the wing position... now that Walsh just drafted one all of a sudden it's no longer a need for us... i don't get that at all.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-26-2008 6:02 PM]

His shooting/mechanics are definitely impressive but they're an advantage only if he can guard 4s. If he's guarding on the perimiter you're accepting that you'll have to zone it up every night.

bottomline i think everyone pretty much knew there were alotta holes that needed to be filled on this team... getting a guy who can shoot the J & bring a little passing, ballhandling & shotcreating ability from the wing position is a good thing in my view... let's say he grows into a capable point forward for us, that opens up a lot of options for Mike D to run different offensive sets.

i agree that having him guarding speedier smaller G's is not really an option for us, but if u have someone like Balkman let's say playing at the SF u can afford to have DG at the 2 in some rotations & have him guard the slower SF's while Balk checks the 2.

Knicks needed to take the best player no matter what.

i think he was likely their BPA when Westbrooke went #4, so in their eyes that's probably what they did.
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6/26/2008  9:18 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:

everyone agreed that this team lacked a perimeter shooter all last season at the wing position... now that Walsh just drafted one all of a sudden it's no longer a need for us... i don't get that at all.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-26-2008 6:02 PM]

His shooting/mechanics are definitely impressive but they're an advantage only if he can guard 4s. If he's guarding on the perimiter you're accepting that you'll have to zone it up every night.

bottomline i think everyone pretty much knew there were alotta holes that needed to be filled on this team... getting a guy who can shoot the J & bring a little passing, ballhandling & shotcreating ability from the wing position is a good thing in my view... let's say he grows into a capable point forward for us, that opens up a lot of options for Mike D to run different offensive sets.

i agree that having him guarding speedier smaller G's is not really an option for us, but if u have someone like Balkman let's say playing at the SF u can afford to have DG at the 2 in some rotations & have him guard the slower SF's while Balk checks the 2.

I don't think thats a viable option. If Danilo is guarding either the 2 or the 3 (regardless of who Balkman is guarding), thats a strategy I'm not on board for. He can't guard the average small forward, leave apart the great ones. This isn't to say he'll be a bad pick but rather that he'll be a better pick in the power forward context.

I am intrigued by his offensive potential and I think the Kukoc comparison is decent.
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6/26/2008  9:18 PM
And for all those screaming "Rebuild" now we have a player that will require patience...

Will you award him the same window you claim is needed for rebuilding to see what he can develop into?

No, we won't. Why ask questions that you already know the answer to?

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6/26/2008  9:18 PM
Not many people felt Lee was gonna be any good and that was mainly cuz they didn't have much info on him. I haven't really read much that was negative about DG. People made so much of Bargnani but to me he's a stiff. I don't see DG as the same kind of player. He seems much more adept at going to the hole in addition to shooting with range.

I think with D'Antoni being the coach, this is a pick that makes a lot of sense. DG will feel right at home in this system, which is what you want from players we will be adding from now on. D'Antoni has done this before, so we know he knows what kind of players he needs and Walsh was gonna make sure to support the coach he hired.
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6/26/2008  9:19 PM
I like the pick. I think Gallinari will be a very good player in the NBA. Now get me Yi.
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6/26/2008  9:25 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:

everyone agreed that this team lacked a perimeter shooter all last season at the wing position... now that Walsh just drafted one all of a sudden it's no longer a need for us... i don't get that at all.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-26-2008 6:02 PM]

His shooting/mechanics are definitely impressive but they're an advantage only if he can guard 4s. If he's guarding on the perimiter you're accepting that you'll have to zone it up every night.

bottomline i think everyone pretty much knew there were alotta holes that needed to be filled on this team... getting a guy who can shoot the J & bring a little passing, ballhandling & shotcreating ability from the wing position is a good thing in my view... let's say he grows into a capable point forward for us, that opens up a lot of options for Mike D to run different offensive sets.

i agree that having him guarding speedier smaller G's is not really an option for us, but if u have someone like Balkman let's say playing at the SF u can afford to have DG at the 2 in some rotations & have him guard the slower SF's while Balk checks the 2.

Knicks needed to take the best player no matter what.

Not necessarily. Teams with all of the best talent don't always win. Of course you need talent, but Galinari isn't exactly a stiff, talent wise.

Accumulating talent has not worked for us because we never had a system. With Walsh we have a plan and D'Antoni a system.

Almost all teams that succeed have a system. That is possibly the most poignant critique of Isiah was that we never really had any kind of system. It was random drafting of players that had talent or fit some "need."

Teams win games, not individual players, except in the NBA you need at least one superstar to match with that team. We were not getting a guy with a real good shot at being a star, other than Bayless, but he's undersized, we have other guys at his position, and maybe he is not best for the system they want to employ.
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6/26/2008  9:26 PM
Knicks are starting at zero.
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6/26/2008  9:30 PM
Scouts are really talking about this kid.
This guy they say have skills. He's already ahead of the freshman kids in college cause in the Italy league, he was playing with grown men.

He's really 6'10 and is still growing. He's the Knicks future PF with LEbron at the 3 in 2 yrs..

On MSG, Walsh said if he couldn't get MAyo or westbrook, than they rahter not get the 2nd tier pgs.
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6/26/2008  9:32 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Knicks are starting at zero.

accumulate guys that can play in a team oriented system for now... the franchise level guy was obviously not there for us in Walsh's eyes so he's doing the next best thing... now focus on freeing up some cap space & letting the young guys grow in their roles til we can nab ourselves that franchise guy, either next season in the draft or via free agency in 2010 i say.
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6/26/2008  9:33 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

On MSG, Walsh said if he couldn't get MAyo or westbrook, than they rahter not get the 2nd tier pgs.

i'm batting 1.000 today... my lack of basketball knowledge on prospects is paying dividends.
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6/26/2008  9:41 PM
If Colangelo in Toronto had made this pick, people would be praising their drafting and team building prowess. Saying how they really know the European market and all that. Since it's the Knicks people want to bash the move.

This is just the 1st step in the process of putting this team together right. IMO it's a solid pick of a talented young prospect. DG is coming to the perfect place for him under D'Antoni.
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6/26/2008  9:44 PM
Posted by nixluva:


This is just the 1st step in the process of putting this team together right. IMO it's a solid pick of a talented young prospect. DG is coming to the perfect place for him under D'Antoni.

The thing I liked the most about Galinari was seeing that he is bigger than Beasley. Not just taller, but bigger.

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6/26/2008  9:44 PM
bargnani really regressed in yr 2...bc is not looking too bright at the moment
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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6/26/2008  9:56 PM
I dunno, the videos of his moves are nice, he actually has that "hungry" look and seems like a competitive guy- just look at his facial expression. This is no channing Frye nor Keith Van horn.
does he speak english? Either way with d'Antoni as coach he'll be able to adjust to NBA likely better than under any other coach. And is his dad a pal of D'Antoni? From what i heard they played together. DG is "the" euro player this draft and now with d'antoni as coach, it looks like we went from "head in the sand" approach to european BB under Isaih to being so open to it.
So i like that and i like this pick for those reasons.
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6/26/2008  10:02 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

I dunno, the videos of his moves are nice, he actually has that "hungry" look and seems like a competitive guy- just look at his facial expression. This is no channing Frye nor Keith Van horn.
does he speak english? Either way with d'Antoni as coach he'll be able to adjust to NBA likely better than under any other coach. And is his dad a pal of D'Antoni? From what i heard they played together. DG is "the" euro player this draft and now with d'antoni as coach, it looks like we went from "head in the sand" approach to european BB under Isaih to being so open to it.
So i like that and i like this pick for those reasons.

Go back and look at the lame defense being played against him in his highlight videos.
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6/26/2008  10:09 PM
he;s gonna be better than ariza+ frye +lee +chandler + balkman
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6/26/2008  10:19 PM
The more I think about it, the more I actually like the pick. (of course Id have prefered Mayo but with him gone...)
First like many of you have already posted, this move really IS a large step away from the past draft day experiences. We did go into rebuild this time and got a 19 year old talented guy. We didnt Starphuck or get a low ceiling "save" pick.
Second we obviously now opened up on the Euro-players and in generall I think this is good!
The fact, that DG did go up against the BEST european competition and did dominate there is very promising!
Third he really seemed to have been our coaches pick, which I like cause he SHOULD be the one to make the calls.
I hope with DG and Chandler, our SF spot will be set for the next years!
Quiet frankly I have to say, like every year it is a lot of drama and crying and cursing and actually it will take another half a year to basically understand what kind of player we got for real!!! I am thouhg looking forward for Summer league!
Concerning Bayless, I really like him, BUT I am not convinced he can do things different from what Nate already does for us every game!!!
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6/26/2008  10:25 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by TMS:

everyone agreed that this team lacked a perimeter shooter all last season at the wing position... now that Walsh just drafted one all of a sudden it's no longer a need for us... i don't get that at all.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-26-2008 6:02 PM]

His shooting/mechanics are definitely impressive but they're an advantage only if he can guard 4s. If he's guarding on the perimiter you're accepting that you'll have to zone it up every night.

bottomline i think everyone pretty much knew there were alotta holes that needed to be filled on this team... getting a guy who can shoot the J & bring a little passing, ballhandling & shotcreating ability from the wing position is a good thing in my view... let's say he grows into a capable point forward for us, that opens up a lot of options for Mike D to run different offensive sets.

i agree that having him guarding speedier smaller G's is not really an option for us, but if u have someone like Balkman let's say playing at the SF u can afford to have DG at the 2 in some rotations & have him guard the slower SF's while Balk checks the 2.

I don't think thats a viable option. If Danilo is guarding either the 2 or the 3 (regardless of who Balkman is guarding), thats a strategy I'm not on board for. He can't guard the average small forward, leave apart the great ones. This isn't to say he'll be a bad pick but rather that he'll be a better pick in the power forward context.

I am intrigued by his offensive potential and I think the Kukoc comparison is decent.

all the more reason to buy a pick now & draft a shotblocker.
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6/26/2008  10:30 PM
did you hear mark jackson give that b.s. after the pick about how NY Fans need someone who can help them win now bc NY fans want to win now... it's that kind of mentality Mark that thankfully cost you the job here.
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