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TrueBlue
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6/24/2008  2:49 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:

imo the bottom line for W'Altoni headed into this draft is zach randolph for better or worse isn't going anywhere. and like him or not, rebounding is not really a concern with him on the floor.

which is why the knicks should think about moving curry for a shorter deal. i think that's the most realistic option of cutting payroll for that illustrious 2010 cap plan.


You could even bring Gordon off the bench and put someone like Miller at the 2 and Rush at the 3 next to DJ or if we sign a FA for the MLE put him next to DJ.
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6/24/2008  2:55 PM
Nate is a backup player and he's been learning the point. He's fine where he is. Trueblue, think of it this way. When in recent times has the NBA had a championship team with such a small backcourt. Are you trying to build a team to win a championship? Or are you trying to build one to be pretty good but have a first or second round exit.

Teams who made it to the finals in recent years:

Celtics: Rondo/Allen
Lakers: Bryant/Fisher (For this season and during their dynasty)
Spurs: Parker/Finley/Ginoboli
Cavs: I don't remember their starting backcourt, but they got swept and had no beeswacks being in the finals.
Heat: Williams/Wade
Mavericks: Harris/Terry/Josh Howard/Stackhouse (Not the tallest but they were very good together and they STILL lost)
Pistons: Billups/Hamilton
Nets: Kidd/Kittles
76ers: Snow/Iverson (Iverson is a hall of famer and they till got squashed by the Lakers)
Pacers: Jackson/Miller
Knicks: Ward/Houston
Spurs: Avery (I found an exception!)/Mario Ellie (Big guard)
Bulls: Harper/Jordan
Jazz: Stockton/Hornicek

Not one of those teams had 2 small backcourt players (For their position) and for the teams that DID have at least 1 small player, they made up for it defensively or they LOST.

There's no way we can have a starting backcourt of Gordon/Augustine, or even either, unless you think they are hall of famers or something, which I doubt.

Get that silly idea out of your head.
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6/24/2008  2:56 PM
You can have 5 lottery picks if Zach Randolph is on this team you wont be very good
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6/24/2008  3:04 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Nate is a backup player and he's been learning the point. He's fine where he is. Trueblue, think of it this way. When in recent times has the NBA had a championship team with such a small backcourt. Are you trying to build a team to win a championship? Or are you trying to build one to be pretty good but have a first or second round exit.

Teams who made it to the finals in recent years:

Celtics: Rondo/Allen
Lakers: Bryant/Fisher (For this season and during their dynasty)
Spurs: Parker/Finley/Ginoboli
Cavs: I don't remember their starting backcourt, but they got swept and had no beeswacks being in the finals.
Heat: Williams/Wade
Mavericks: Harris/Terry/Josh Howard/Stackhouse (Not the tallest but they were very good together and they STILL lost)
Pistons: Billups/Hamilton
Nets: Kidd/Kittles
76ers: Snow/Iverson (Iverson is a hall of famer and they till got squashed by the Lakers)
Pacers: Jackson/Miller
Knicks: Ward/Houston
Spurs: Avery (I found an exception!)/Mario Ellie (Big guard)
Bulls: Harper/Jordan
Jazz: Stockton/Hornicek

Not one of those teams had 2 small backcourt players (For their position) and for the teams that DID have at least 1 small player, they made up for it defensively or they LOST.

There's no way we can have a starting backcourt of Gordon/Augustine, or even either, unless you think they are hall of famers or something, which I doubt.

Get that silly idea out of your head.

Celtics KG
Lakers Gasol/Odom and before Shaq
Spurs Duncan
Cavs=Mulligan Lebron exception
Heat=Shaq/Zo
Maverick=Dirk
Pistons=Rasheed/Ben
Nets=Ok
Sixers=Mutombo
Pacers=Smits/Antonio Davis
Knicks=Patrick
Spurs=Robinson/Duncan
Bulls=Ok
Jazz=Malone


Every single one of those teams had Big Men who anchored their team. You could put almost any adequate backcourt with them and those teams still are perennial. PLEASE!!!!!!! 4 of those teams had DPOY Big Men On Them.

My team wasn't a finished product. We have a 2009 first round pick last time I checked. We have tradable assets remaining to help rebuild we'd have cap room galore. I'm glad you're trying to construct a contender this coming season Good Luck with that.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-24-2008 2:07 PM]
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6/24/2008  3:12 PM
Oh OK. So you go and pair KG or Ewing or Rik Smits or Ben Wallace with DJ Augustine and Eric Gordon, have them make it to the NBA finals and then tell me that will work. I peronally think KG + your 2 guys = what KG had in Minnesota. And the big men can't do it all by themselves either. The backcourt needs to D' up, and if they can't, then shotblocking becomes useless as your big man will become flooded with people driving to the lane all the time, hence foul trouble. You need your backcourt players to be big for advantages on both sides.
And if both of them can't be big, then it would be a huge plus that if itwas your shooting guard that had the height. When's the last time a short backcourt made it to the finals?
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6/24/2008  3:30 PM
If you trade Lee, you're basically conceding to keeping Zach and/or Eddy around for the remainder of their contracts since nobody will take them without a good young player in the package.
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6/24/2008  3:37 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Oh OK. So you go and pair KG or Ewing or Rik Smits or Ben Wallace with DJ Augustine and Eric Gordon, have them make it to the NBA finals and then tell me that will work. I peronally think KG + your 2 guys = what KG had in Minnesota. And the big men can't do it all by themselves either. The backcourt needs to D' up, and if they can't, then shotblocking becomes useless as your big man will become flooded with people driving to the lane all the time, hence foul trouble. You need your backcourt players to be big for advantages on both sides.
And if both of them can't be big, then it would be a huge plus that if itwas your shooting guard that had the height. When's the last time a short backcourt made it to the finals?

I already addressed the supposed sky is falling problem with the 16th pick and the MLE find a bigger guard to pair with DJ between those two options or slide Miller over to the two and make Chandler a starter at the 3 or shore up a big defensive frontline now and down the road.
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6/24/2008  3:47 PM
Posted by King1:

You can have 5 lottery picks if Zach Randolph is on this team you wont be very good

There has to be 5-6 teams who would take Zach for the 3 year 15mm $ package. Buyout 34/49 and let him go to a new team--you owe him the $$$ no matter what--this way he is gone--he goes to a team he may prefer and the money is the exact same. Knicks save on the cap + rid themselves of the player they should not have acquired with eddy here.
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6/24/2008  3:55 PM
For the last time, the Knicks DO NOT SAVE ON THE CAP IF THEY BUY OUT A PLAYER.

All they will be doing is paying him to leave. His contract will still be on the books.
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6/24/2008  3:57 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

If you trade Lee, you're basically conceding to keeping Zach and/or Eddy around for the remainder of their contracts since nobody will take them without a good young player in the package.

You can't trade Zach and Lee together cuz that team will be faced with the same prob we have. Lee and Curry both could be a nice tandem to trade but who do the Knicks get for that may I ask?

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6/24/2008  3:59 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

For the last time, the Knicks DO NOT SAVE ON THE CAP IF THEY BUY OUT A PLAYER.

All they will be doing is paying him to leave. His contract will still be on the books.

They'll save on the agreed buyout amount it just won't be at the figures Briggs would like us to believe. Most players settle on buyouts no less than 80% of what they have remaining on their contract. There have been exceptions of lower % agreements. So do 80% of whatever he has left divide it by 3yrs and that's our cap hit. Regardless at this point it wouldn't make since to buy him out.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-24-2008 3:00 PM]
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6/24/2008  3:59 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by GKFv2:

If you trade Lee, you're basically conceding to keeping Zach and/or Eddy around for the remainder of their contracts since nobody will take them without a good young player in the package.

You can't trade Zach and Lee together cuz that team will be faced with the same prob we have. Lee and Curry both could be a nice tandem to trade but who do the Knicks get for that may I ask?

Someone with a shorter contract, hopefully.
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6/24/2008  4:00 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by GKFv2:

For the last time, the Knicks DO NOT SAVE ON THE CAP IF THEY BUY OUT A PLAYER.

All they will be doing is paying him to leave. His contract will still be on the books.

They'll save on the agreed buyout amount it just won't be at the figures Briggs would like us to believe. Most players settle on buyouts no less than 80% of what they have remaining on their contract. Their have been exceptions of lower % agreements. So do 80% of whatever he has left divide it by 3 and that's our cap hit. Regardless at this point it wouldn't make since to buy him out.

You still fail to see the point. His contract at $17 million a year would still count against the cap. It wouldn't make a difference.

Don't you remember Shandon Anderson and JYD? They were on the books until 2 years ago.
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6/24/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If they did this move--they would likely do it for Galinari and Love.

I think it would be for Westbrook and maybe Love. i believe they covet Westbrook.

either way, getting a top 5 pick for Lee is a steal.
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6/24/2008  4:16 PM
We have to restructure the team with better overall players and tho I love Lee, he's a replaceable guy. We need a PG and we could use a sharp shooting forward or shotblocking forward who has the athletic skills to play at a fast pace.

Having the 5 & 6 pick would be a great boost for rebuilding this team and in particular with players D'Antoni can win with. I love Lee but I think we can improve the team with the 5 and 6 pick in this draft and more than make up for his loss.
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6/24/2008  4:34 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If they did this move--they would likely do it for Galinari and Love.

I think it would be for Westbrook and maybe Love. i believe they covet Westbrook.

either way, getting a top 5 pick for Lee is a steal.

cryz who knows i have no frikin clue i really have no clue with what is going on. i would take alexander over gallinari if they want a SF who is ready to go now. Love and alexander would be a quality draft
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6/24/2008  4:58 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


cryz who knows i have no frikin clue i really have no clue with what is going on.

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6/24/2008  5:31 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

For the last time, the Knicks DO NOT SAVE ON THE CAP IF THEY BUY OUT A PLAYER.

All they will be doing is paying him to leave. His contract will still be on the books.

Yeah, but the Knicks would save on the cap, so it's a good move.
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6/24/2008  5:36 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by GKFv2:

For the last time, the Knicks DO NOT SAVE ON THE CAP IF THEY BUY OUT A PLAYER.

All they will be doing is paying him to leave. His contract will still be on the books.

They'll save on the agreed buyout amount it just won't be at the figures Briggs would like us to believe. Most players settle on buyouts no less than 80% of what they have remaining on their contract. Their have been exceptions of lower % agreements. So do 80% of whatever he has left divide it by 3 and that's our cap hit. Regardless at this point it wouldn't make since to buy him out.

You still fail to see the point. His contract at $17 million a year would still count against the cap. It wouldn't make a difference.

Don't you remember Shandon Anderson and JYD? They were on the books until 2 years ago.

that's cuz neither one of them were dumb enough to agree to a buyout at 75 cents to the dollar they were already owed & knew there was no reason for them to accomodate a team looking to get rid of them that badly when they could likely just hold out & get the money they were owed regardless.

buying out players is always the last resort option under any circumstances & is the reason why teams usually explore every trade option they possibly can before resorting to those measures.
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6/24/2008  6:21 PM
Westbrook has bust potential. Vastly overrated by people on the board.
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