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There's a harmonic convergence between the first five players selected between nbadraft.net and draftexpress.com. Both have the first five going as Rose Beasley Mayo Bayless Love Many here seem to agree with that group of five in some order will be the first five players selected. My question is who you would use on the sixth pick. Let's keep it focused on individual players. We can consider the possibility of trading up or trading down in another thread.
Anthony Randolph
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6/14/2008  3:09 PM
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briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?
will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

If not Randoplh then who? With Mayo and Love off the board, I dont think anyone can say with any conviction that nyone after 5 is a sure fire can't miss. There are a bunch of question marks after 5, Randolph included.
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6/14/2008  3:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?

will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

No doubt D'Antoni wants ton win right away but he does have $6mil+ to fall back on. The Knicks will pick the player(NBA READY) who they feel gives them the best chance to make the playoffs next yr with room for upside.
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6/14/2008  3:13 PM
Posted by Uptown:
Posted by djsunyc:
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briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?
will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

If not Randoplh then who? With Mayo and Love off the board, I dont think anyone can say with any conviction that nyone after 5 is a sure fire can't miss. There are a bunch of question marks after 5, Randolph included.

alot of people won't agree with me on this...but i still think the best plan for the knicks is to starphuck. isiah's flaw was starphucking on the wrong players.

knicks have the pieces to get a few players that could instantly propel them to semifinal playoff status for the next 3 years - which may never be achieved otherwise.

you have walsh for 3 years. you have d'antoni for 4. cash in and make it count. with no pick in 2010...might as well go for it and if all else fails, you start over in 2011.
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6/14/2008  3:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?

will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

DJ--this is what Kiki said about him--this isnt coming from a message board poster but a pretty successful GM who was an all star nba player

Randolph is extremely talented. Probably has to be more of a small forward because of his frame and weight. Certainly will get bigger. Is very young, very talented. A long guy who can shoot the ball. The thing that surprised me about him was he didn’t back down. Lots of times when you get a guy that young, they’ll back down from contact.”
—Nets General Manager Kiki Vandeweghe

The bottom line is you would be drafting a person who is very very talented but also very young. Go look back at some of the preps to pros stats--some who became stars were not the best players--one example is G wallace from Alabama who took a few years in the NBA but the final product was an elite level ball player. Becaus eRandolph is 6-10 + his learning curve will be shorter and he can play now.

If they cannot accept any wait from any player--then I would suggest dealing with Seattle at 4 and picking Love or Mayo.
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6/14/2008  3:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?

will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

DJ--this is what Kiki said about him--this isnt coming from a message board poster but a pretty successful GM who was an all star nba player

Randolph is extremely talented. Probably has to be more of a small forward because of his frame and weight. Certainly will get bigger. Is very young, very talented. A long guy who can shoot the ball. The thing that surprised me about him was he didn’t back down. Lots of times when you get a guy that young, they’ll back down from contact.”
—Nets General Manager Kiki Vandeweghe

The bottom line is you would be drafting a person who is very very talented but also very young. Go look back at some of the preps to pros stats--some who became stars were not the best players--one example is G wallace from Alabama who took a few years in the NBA but the final product was an elite level ball player. Becaus eRandolph is 6-10 + his learning curve will be shorter and he can play now.

If they cannot accept any wait from any player--then I would suggest dealing with Seattle at 4 and picking Love or Mayo.

the question is, and has always been, what frame of mind are the knicks in? can they wait on a kid or not? we're gonna find out in 2 weeks.
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6/14/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?

will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

DJ--this is what Kiki said about him--this isnt coming from a message board poster but a pretty successful GM who was an all star nba player

Randolph is extremely talented. Probably has to be more of a small forward because of his frame and weight. Certainly will get bigger. Is very young, very talented. A long guy who can shoot the ball. The thing that surprised me about him was he didn’t back down. Lots of times when you get a guy that young, they’ll back down from contact.”
—Nets General Manager Kiki Vandeweghe

The bottom line is you would be drafting a person who is very very talented but also very young. Go look back at some of the preps to pros stats--some who became stars were not the best players--one example is G wallace from Alabama who took a few years in the NBA but the final product was an elite level ball player. Becaus eRandolph is 6-10 + his learning curve will be shorter and he can play now.

If they cannot accept any wait from any player--then I would suggest dealing with Seattle at 4 and picking Love or Mayo.

You can apply what Kiki said to about 20 players in this draft. Shall we show you what a Toronto scout said about CDR?
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6/14/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?

will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

DJ--this is what Kiki said about him--this isnt coming from a message board poster but a pretty successful GM who was an all star nba player

Randolph is extremely talented. Probably has to be more of a small forward because of his frame and weight. Certainly will get bigger. Is very young, very talented. A long guy who can shoot the ball. The thing that surprised me about him was he didn’t back down. Lots of times when you get a guy that young, they’ll back down from contact.”
—Nets General Manager Kiki Vandeweghe

The bottom line is you would be drafting a person who is very very talented but also very young. Go look back at some of the preps to pros stats--some who became stars were not the best players--one example is G wallace from Alabama who took a few years in the NBA but the final product was an elite level ball player. Becaus eRandolph is 6-10 + his learning curve will be shorter and he can play now.

If they cannot accept any wait from any player--then I would suggest dealing with Seattle at 4 and picking Love or Mayo.

Also bypassing high-level talent has a way of busting you later on. How may examples of this? KG Kobe Josh Smith etc..... Frye-Bynum bit us pretty hard right? We took the so-called proven player and the talent that bynum had made its way to surface after 2 years of hard work. The thing with the Knicks we are not 1 player away from anything unless the name is Tim Duncan.
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6/14/2008  3:46 PM
Here is another example. Joe Alexander as a freshmen at WVU could barley get off ther bench and weighed roughly what randolph weighs now. Look how much more advanced Randolph was at the same age. What kind of draft pick would Randolph be if he stayed at LSU even one more year let alone 2.

Also if i had to put together an athlete who would be ideal in this style of play certainly the mold of Anthony Randolph would be darn close to perfect as the shaun marion 4 player in the system

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-14-2008 4:03 PM]
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6/14/2008  5:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

briggs - is randolph a can't miss guy?

In his own interview the guy all but said he would be a project coming into the league comment..."I'm a Fast Learner I may not make the All-Star right way but I can become one down the road." Which is a red flag. Not to say they guy doesn't deserve a chance to be picked 6 to prove people wrong but

can the knicks, who have been bad for 7 straight seasons afford to pick this guy at 6?

will d'antoni be patient enough with him? beware of coaches coming from elite teams to rebuilding ones...they may not have the amount of patience needed...

DJ--this is what Kiki said about him--this isnt coming from a message board poster but a pretty successful GM who was an all star nba player

Randolph is extremely talented. Probably has to be more of a small forward because of his frame and weight. Certainly will get bigger. Is very young, very talented. A long guy who can shoot the ball. The thing that surprised me about him was he didn’t back down. Lots of times when you get a guy that young, they’ll back down from contact.”
—Nets General Manager Kiki Vandeweghe

The bottom line is you would be drafting a person who is very very talented but also very young. Go look back at some of the preps to pros stats--some who became stars were not the best players--one example is G wallace from Alabama who took a few years in the NBA but the final product was an elite level ball player. Becaus eRandolph is 6-10 + his learning curve will be shorter and he can play now.

If they cannot accept any wait from any player--then I would suggest dealing with Seattle at 4 and picking Love or Mayo.

Also bypassing high-level talent has a way of busting you later on. How may examples of this? KG Kobe Josh Smith etc..... Frye-Bynum bit us pretty hard right? We took the so-called proven player and the talent that bynum had made its way to surface after 2 years of hard work. The thing with the Knicks we are not 1 player away from anything unless the name is Tim Duncan.

You mean to say that high level talent has a way of falling deeper in the draft than they should? You should probably also include a list of reaches in the lottery that never panned out, start with Kwame Brown.

Exactly, we're not a single player away, that includes the #6 pick.
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6/14/2008  5:45 PM
Randolph's outside shot isn't very good. He needs to do most of his scoring inside. After he gets whacked a few times, he may not be too anxious to do that.
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6/14/2008  5:54 PM
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Randolph's outside shot isn't very good. He needs to do most of his scoring inside. After he gets whacked a few times, he may not be too anxious to do that.


He has very nice form on his shot. He will fill out to be a perfect 4 man in this system. Right now he has the skill sets to play any position including bringing the ball upcourt as a combo guard. I wonder how many points he could score in the post matched up as a 2 guard?
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Briggs he would have to guard a 2 and he doesnt score well in the post. Most two weight more than he does and will push him out of the post. He shot 46% in college and will get murdered defensively if he is so special why hasnt anyone mentioned him in the top 5?
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6/14/2008  6:06 PM
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Briggs he would have to guard a 2 and he doesnt score well in the post. Most two weight more than he does and will push him out of the post. He shot 46% in college and will get murdered defensively if he is so special why hasnt anyone mentioned him in the top 5?

If the right team gets him--an uptempo team like GS--he is going to be a star quickly wont be more than 2 years. He's very very skilled perfect for up tempo because he can literally play all 5 positions in this system for spells even while his body is maturing. This is not a Shaun Livingston--this kid is tough he mixes up and he believes and he has the skill to back it up. This kid will quiet any critsicm real quick.


[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-14-2008 6:13 PM]
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You mean to say that high level talent has a way of falling deeper in the draft than they should? You should probably also include a list of reaches in the lottery that never panned out, start with Kwame Brown.

Exactly, we're not a single player away, that includes the #6 pick.

no, we're not a single player away. but we need talent. more than anything else, we need a foundation of talent. the 6th pick is the highest pick we've had that we've owned control over in years. we cannot afford to give it away to get rid of randolph. we have to see what kind of player we can bring in.

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6/14/2008  6:11 PM
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Briggs he would have to guard a 2 and he doesnt score well in the post. Most two weight more than he does and will push him out of the post. He shot 46% in college and will get murdered defensively if he is so special why hasnt anyone mentioned him in the top 5?

If the right team gets him--an uptempo team like GS--he is going to be a star quickly wont be more than 2 years. He's very very skilled perfect for up tempo because he can literally play all 5 positions in this system for spells even while his body is maturing. This is not a Shaun Livingston--this kid is tough he mixes up and he believes and he has the skill to back it up. This kid will quiet any critsicm real quick.

i like anthony randolph quite a bit, but I'm beginning to doubt we'll pick him for the reasons we passed on bynum - they'll worry he'll take too long to develop and walsh/d'antoni want to make the playoffs asap. i think they'll go for the most polished player possible and i think they'll do everything they can to get mayo. if they can't get mayo, i feel like they might trade out. just a feeling.
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6/14/2008  6:23 PM
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Briggs he would have to guard a 2 and he doesnt score well in the post. Most two weight more than he does and will push him out of the post. He shot 46% in college and will get murdered defensively if he is so special why hasnt anyone mentioned him in the top 5?

If the right team gets him--an uptempo team like GS--he is going to be a star quickly wont be more than 2 years. He's very very skilled perfect for up tempo because he can literally play all 5 positions in this system for spells even while his body is maturing. This is not a Shaun Livingston--this kid is tough he mixes up and he believes and he has the skill to back it up. This kid will quiet any critsicm real quick.

i like anthony randolph quite a bit, but I'm beginning to doubt we'll pick him for the reasons we passed on bynum - they'll worry he'll take too long to develop and walsh/d'antoni want to make the playoffs asap. i think they'll go for the most polished player possible and i think they'll do everything they can to get mayo. if they can't get mayo, i feel like they might trade out. just a feeling.

It's tough because with so many 1st year players--the best one's will still take time--even a Derrick Rose with a very spotty jumper will be ??????? in year 1. Only player who is compleely tight is Beasley.
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Another player i was thinking about is Marcus Camby in terms of build--they are different players but I can tell you Marcus Camby was 6-10 180 pounds when he chose Umass over Uconn. His first year numbers at Umass were 10 points 6 rebounds 3 blocks. He is no where near skilled doffensively as Randolph but kind of comparing the builds. I guess David lee can pile drive Camby to the ground for rebounds because Camby weighs maybe 215 still
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I would guess Camby is closer to 240 than 215.
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I would guess Camby is closer to 240 than 215.

camby was 220 in his junior year of college in 96 - but he was also one of the most dominant players in the sport. he outplayed duncan that year. anthony randolph is good, and if he stayed in college three years he may have developed like camby did, but now he's going to have to learn at the nba level. i like what i've seen of him. 15ppg 8rpg and 2bpg is pretty impressive, especially as a freshman.
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I would guess Camby is closer to 240 than 215.


maybe he's 35
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