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djsunyc
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6/23/2008  9:54 AM
Draft's full of point guards, but Riley isn't necessarily after a pure playmaker
By Ira Winderman
South Florida Sun-Sentinel

June 23, 2008

As most NBA observers were heralding the rebirth of the take-charge point guard this past season, Heat President Pat Riley was noting something else.

Yes, Chris Paul and Deron Williams deftly were guiding the Hornets and Jazz with their playmaking.

But they also were scoring. Scoring a lot.

Paul led New Orleans in scoring both during the regular season and playoffs.

Williams led Utah in scoring in the playoffs and was second on his team during the regular season.

"These guys are to the rim all night," Riley said.

Point guards making their own points.

It is why while many see Memphis freshman Derrick Rose as the only legitimate point guard at the top of Thursday's NBA Draft, Riley sees the possibilities of others.

It is why confidants say Riley is so intrigued by Southern Cal's O.J. Mayo, even though the Heat already has Dwyane Wade at shooting guard.

It is why Riley thinks Jerryd Bayless, after a high-scoring season at Arizona, can step in next season as a pro point guard.

"Pure point guards? That's not the way the game is being played today," Riley said as he continued deliberations over the Heat's No. 2 selection. "You take a look at Steve Nash; his head's under the rim more than anybody in the league."


For those who prefer their point guards in point-guard packages, this draft offers Texas' D.J. Augustin, the prototypical diminutive, push-the-pace playmaker.

Rose, in many respects, plays that style as well, more than content to pass up what remains a somewhat suspect jump shot. But Riley has never leaned toward pint-size points, which is why the taller Rose remains the most intriguing.

Still, the NBA has shied from even players of Rose's 6-2 1/2 stature at the top of the draft, with every No. 1 pick at least 6 feet 8 since 6-foot Allen Iverson went at the top of the 1996 draft.

This year, the draft is loaded with small-ball potential. Six players at 6-4 or shorter could be among the first 12 picks, when including Rose, Mayo, Bayless, Augustin, Indiana's Eric Gordon and UCLA's Russell Westbrook.

From that group, Mayo, Bayless, Gordon and Westbrook might, because of their stature, have to play more as playmaker than they did in college.

But Riley said the difference is it does not mean those four necessarily will have to curb their offensive inclinations, not after what Paul and Williams accomplished this past season.

Using that reasoning, it could be argued that Wade might be the Heat's answer at point guard, even though he has stated disdain for such a full-time role. As it is, Wade handles the ball as much as any Heat player in the decisive stages.

What Riley doesn't appear to be looking for at point guard is a player solely viewed as a playmaker.

"I think one of the concerns about Augustin is that he's too pure point guard and you know he's going to have to deal with length and things like finishing at the rim," Riley said.

Because of the Heat's desperation at point guard, Riley has taken a deeper look at the position, acknowledging that beyond Rose, few of this draft's candidates have been cast in the role of elite point guard.

"Other than Rose, I don't know who is," Riley said. "Bayless was playing off the ball. Eric Gordon, to me, I don't know if he's a natural point guard. Mayo, to me, he would probably be the best combo, because I think he has the maturity."

And he can score, which seemingly is what the best point guards do these days.

"If a player can play and handle the ball and has great skills and great decision-making skills," Riley said, "to me it's really irrelevant if he's viewed as a scorer."
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djsunyc
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6/23/2008  9:55 AM
"...Indeed, the Heat appears to have its focus on Thursday's NBA Draft, with the latest twist, according to a source familiar with the situation, being Heat intrigue with a deal with Seattle.

In that permutation, the Heat would send its No. 2 selection plus center Mark Blount to the Sonics in exchange for the No. 4 selection and center Chris Wilcox. The Heat then would be in position to select Southern Cal guard O.J. Mayo or Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless at No. 4...."
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6/23/2008  10:14 AM
Kevin Love is a strong candidate to be selected by the TWolves at #3. Then the Sonics would trade their #4 to the Knicks at #6 where Seattle would still land guard Jerryd Bayless. The Knicks would select OJ Mayo. The players involved were interesting.

NY sent- Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, David Lee, and Malik Rose(expiring).

NY recieved- Chris Wilcox, Luke Ridnour, and Earl Watson.

C: Curry
PF: ZNo, Wilcox
SF: Chandler, Balk & the 2 stiffs
SG: OJ
PG: Luke, Watson
djsunyc
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6/23/2008  10:33 AM
more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.
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6/23/2008  10:40 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.

Did I not say J.O. would be in play possibly for the Raps?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-23-2008 09:40 AM]
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6/23/2008  10:45 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

"...Indeed, the Heat appears to have its focus on Thursday's NBA Draft, with the latest twist, according to a source familiar with the situation, being Heat intrigue with a deal with Seattle.

In that permutation, the Heat would send its No. 2 selection plus center Mark Blount to the Sonics in exchange for the No. 4 selection and center Chris Wilcox. The Heat then would be in position to select Southern Cal guard O.J. Mayo or Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless at No. 4...."

Oh god, please let the Heat want Bayless....this is a dream right here....

Chi-Rose
Sea-Beasley
Min-Love/Lopez
Mia-Bayless
Mem-Lopez/Love
NYK-MAYO

Riley never lets out of the bag who he likes. The fact Mayo's name came out was weird. Maybe he really wants Bayless?
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djsunyc
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6/23/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by djsunyc:

"...Indeed, the Heat appears to have its focus on Thursday's NBA Draft, with the latest twist, according to a source familiar with the situation, being Heat intrigue with a deal with Seattle.

In that permutation, the Heat would send its No. 2 selection plus center Mark Blount to the Sonics in exchange for the No. 4 selection and center Chris Wilcox. The Heat then would be in position to select Southern Cal guard O.J. Mayo or Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless at No. 4...."

Oh god, please let the Heat want Bayless....this is a dream right here....

Chi-Rose
Sea-Beasley
Min-Love/Lopez
Mia-Bayless
Mem-Lopez/Love
NYK-MAYO

Riley never lets out of the bag who he likes. The fact Mayo's name came out was weird. Maybe he really wants Bayless?

i think riles would trade to 4 for mayo. leaving westbrook or bayless for the knicks.
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6/23/2008  10:47 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.

Did I not say J.O. would be in play possibly for the Raps?

you did. it works for the raps, he will help but it will leave them with no other assets to make a move this summer. unless they are including a swap of 17 + 11.

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6/23/2008  10:50 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by djsunyc:

"...Indeed, the Heat appears to have its focus on Thursday's NBA Draft, with the latest twist, according to a source familiar with the situation, being Heat intrigue with a deal with Seattle.

In that permutation, the Heat would send its No. 2 selection plus center Mark Blount to the Sonics in exchange for the No. 4 selection and center Chris Wilcox. The Heat then would be in position to select Southern Cal guard O.J. Mayo or Arizona guard Jerryd Bayless at No. 4...."

Oh god, please let the Heat want Bayless....this is a dream right here....

Chi-Rose
Sea-Beasley
Min-Love/Lopez
Mia-Bayless
Mem-Lopez/Love
NYK-MAYO

Riley never lets out of the bag who he likes. The fact Mayo's name came out was weird. Maybe he really wants Bayless?

i think riles would trade to 4 for mayo. leaving westbrook or bayless for the knicks.

I really am uninterested in Westbrook unless we are geting another 2nd 1st round pick. I want more than a shorter Bruce Bowen on this team.

I am just saying, Riles never releases any info on his drafts and all of a sudden EVERYONE is saying they know he wants Mayo. It's just a little funny to me. Now he talks up Bayless a little bit. That second quote about Mayo is telling to me. He is outright saying he likes Mayo the best. That's not like Riley. If Riley makes the mistake of trading to 4, I gotta say we HAVE to throw anything we can to work a deal with Minny.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 23 June 2008 11:58]
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purple012870
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6/23/2008  11:22 AM
Westbrook is not Bruce Bowen. Not even remotely. Far better offensive player & transition player. Projects to PG, something Bowen could never play.
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6/23/2008  11:25 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:

more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.

Did I not say J.O. would be in play possibly for the Raps?

you did. it works for the raps, he will help but it will leave them with no other assets to make a move this summer. unless they are including a swap of 17 + 11.


Another juicy rumor Michael Redd to Cavs for Wally, AV, and 19.
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joec32033
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6/23/2008  12:00 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Westbrook is not Bruce Bowen. Not even remotely. Far better offensive player & transition player. Projects to PG, something Bowen could never play.

It was a little reach of an exaggeration, I admit, but I figured everyone would I understand. I don't want a defensive role player at the 6th pick. All I hear is that he is great defensively, and he needs to work on his PG skills, shooting, ballhandling.....
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6/23/2008  12:23 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.

Do you see Bosh, JOneal being able to play well off each other?
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6/23/2008  12:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.

Do you see Bosh, JOneal being able to play well off each other?

O'neal is just as much a center as he is a power forward. What if we traded Curry for O'neal or Zach for O'neal? It would be about the same scenario.

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6/23/2008  12:29 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

more gossip:

raptors and indy may be discussing a tj + expirings for jermaine deal.

Do you see Bosh, JOneal being able to play well off each other?

O'neal is just as much a center as he is a power forward. What if we traded Curry for O'neal or Zach for O'neal? It would be about the same scenario.

I would gladly make either one of those trades.
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6/23/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Another juicy rumor Michael Redd to Cavs for Wally, AV, and 19.

redd should've just signed with them in the first place.
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6/23/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Another juicy rumor Michael Redd to Cavs for Wally, AV, and 19.

redd should've just signed with them in the first place.


Agreed he was toying with Cleveland to assure getting Max Money from the Bucks and the Bucks got suckered.
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6/26/2008  11:10 AM
Washington and Rockets look like they'll swap picks.


Rockets give up Luther Head and 25

4

Wizards 18 pick


Rockets will target Courtney Lee with the pick.
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6/26/2008  11:11 AM
Sacramento to select Anthony Randolph if he's on the board.
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6/27/2008  10:13 AM
Bobcats Gerald Wallace is for sale. He was offered up for T.J. Ford but the Raps rejected the trade because they wanted more from them primarily a pick.
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