Posted by newyorknewyork:

You're dealing in multi player fantasy. We all do it.

The bottom line is this

we have pick 6 lets make a great pick and add some much needed talent to our team. Lets try to rid ourselves of Zach or Curry Jefferies with reasonable deals. I think that Zach for Evans straight is reasonable. And if we cant get it done---we try to get the players to play better in Mike's system that caters to making players look better. NO need to panic about cap space 2 years from now--right now we need to add a nice piece and deal with Lee's siuation. Lets start by getting a good player in the draft.

I agree with that. Randolph for Evens straight up sounds good.

Maybe we can follow up with Curry for Mark Blount & a future first.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

You have to follow this up by getting rid of Jamal and Eddy, which I do think you can do. Then you're at $26 mil.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

You have to follow this up by getting rid of Jamal and Eddy, which I do think you can do. Then you're at $26 mil.

OK what is your core team that you are selling to the FA?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

You have to follow this up by getting rid of Jamal and Eddy, which I do think you can do. Then you're at $26 mil.

OK what is your core team that you are selling to the FA?

Yes hard to answer when you stop and think. If we use all of our assets to purge the roster--we have no roster and NO FA is coming to a no talent roster.

Posted by cooch2584:

WOW!! Has it gotten mental in here?? Has anyone read my posts from this morning?? Philly WANTS ZACH!!! I do that trade Zach for Evans and the 16th pick in a NEW YORK heartbeat. The hell with all the other scenerios. We got the Zach, they want the Zach case closed. Id evendo Zach and the 16th straight up.I dont understand why you guys keep giving away our picks. Didnt it get nasty here when we gave up the picks the last 3 yrs?? Why give them now?? Read my posts above from this morning dudes.

Posted by cooch2584:

Briggs I agree. DW should call Philly" You guys want Zach? send us evans and the 16th pick and hes yours" But In DW'S mind he should be ready come down and negotiate Zach for the 16 pick and walk away from the table with the 16th pick. Who on this board, in their right mind ,would argue that if he got the 16th pick for Zach would be a bad deal??

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by joec32033:

Absolutely no ****ing way. I am totally against crap trades like this one. Randolph is a 20/10 player. Evans is a 5/8 player if that.

Philly wants Zach I want Evans and the 16. Our pick os off limits. I don't.know how people get behind something like this! We have 2 ****ing years before we actually have to get rid of his contract. Geezus Christmas!

Please don't fall in love with Randolph's box scores. The guy is enemy #1 to chemistry. He is a horrible TEAM player. HORRIBLE. He is so destructive to anything going on be it on the court or in the locker room.

If you could right now reverse the Randolph trade, bring back Frye and buy out Francis, start Lee and bring Frye off the bench - we'd be an undoubtedly improved team. If we had that and no court drama (which led to Marbury and Isiah feuding) there was a very good chance we made the playoffs last season.

The guy is just terrible. He's got to go. I'd even trade him and the #6 to Cleveland for the #19 and Wally(cap space) or add in Jeffries and bring back the #19 and Wallace(again, cap space).

Thi is the type of panic mentality that has devestated the Knicks. We trade and then we must trade again to correct. Here let me give up pick 6 and two future lottery picks so you can give me reggie evans and pick 48--Zach randolph is the anti christ. I hope these guys have calm heads. If we get FA in 2010 great if not it sitting on a platter in 2011. I don't need to throw away high lottery picks just to remove a player---boy why do I even have to listen to this idiocy--this is why i wish we won the lottery so there would be no thinking about it---but then you would still ahve someone sya beasley scks zach blah blah blah. Make a good pick at 6 lets start there. No trading from a point of weakness. Sck it up son.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

You have to follow this up by getting rid of Jamal and Eddy, which I do think you can do. Then you're at $26 mil.

OK what is your core team that you are selling to the FA?

Yes hard to answer when you stop and think. If we use all of our assets to purge the roster--we have no roster and NO FA is coming to a no talent roster.