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Vmart
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6/4/2008  8:49 PM
Posted by islesfan:

You start building for a championship now. Not when you're a mediocre team that doesn't play defense.

How can you start building for a championship when you think everyone the Knicks are gonna bring in is a one way player when that simply isn't the truth.

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6/4/2008  8:50 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

You start building for a championship now. Not when you're a mediocre team that doesn't play defense.

How can you start building for a championship when you think everyone the Knicks are gonna bring in is a one way player when that simply isn't the truth.

Read my last post.
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6/4/2008  9:02 PM
Posted by islesfan:

For those who believe that I'm just always being negative, I'm already on record saying that I'd be happy with Westbrook and to a lesser extent Randolph and Augustin if they used the pick and content if they traded down to unload a bad contract (Randolph's) or accumulate picks.

Taking very one dimensional and short combo guards like Gordon and Bayless or a future bust like Gallinari are the only options that I've been completely negative about.


Its all a wait and see. I don't think the Knicks will take Gordon but they should definitely consider him work him and see what he brings to the table. If for some reason he out hustles and plays what Westbrook and shows that he has PG skills in tryouts you have to consider him especially if he proves to be the BAP when the Knicks pick. I even want them to bring in Lopez I think the Knicks should work everyone that is projected to be in the lottery and some that aren't. Even Rose or Beasley just in case some deal might go down. I too am in favor of getting rid of some fat contracts. Like I said leave no stones unturned do the due diligence and make a smart choice that the franchise and fan can be proud of. Thats all we as fans can ask.
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6/4/2008  9:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.
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6/4/2008  9:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.

Ones that can keep their mouths shut?
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6/4/2008  9:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.

Belichick is considered a great defensive coach. He got to the SuperBowl with his offense last year. Parcells has had success with numerous different franchises with different players. He won with defense with the Giants and with 2 different QB's. He won with offense in NE with Bledsoe and the Jets with Vinny and Martin. Now he wanted a certain few of his past players to help influence his new teams in the lockerroom but for the most part he won with all new players.

Bad examples. Name more good coaches, who have won championships, and I'll bet you can't name one whose team wasn't strong defensively.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/4/2008  10:01 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.

Belichick is considered a great defensive coach. He got to the SuperBowl with his offense last year. Parcells has had success with numerous different franchises with different players. He won with defense with the Giants and with 2 different QB's. He won with offense in NE with Bledsoe and the Jets with Vinny and Martin. Now he wanted a certain few of his past players to help influence his new teams in the lockerroom but for the most part he won with all new players.

Bad examples. Name more good coaches, who have won championships, and I'll bet you can't name one whose team wasn't strong defensively.


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6/4/2008  10:02 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.

Belichick is considered a great defensive coach. He got to the SuperBowl with his offense last year. Parcells has had success with numerous different franchises with different players. He won with defense with the Giants and with 2 different QB's. He won with offense in NE with Bledsoe and the Jets with Vinny and Martin. Now he wanted a certain few of his past players to help influence his new teams in the lockerroom but for the most part he won with all new players.

Bad examples. Name more good coaches, who have won championships, and I'll bet you can't name one whose team wasn't strong defensively.


The Rams

That was one hell of a defensive stand at the end of that game, don't you think?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/4/2008  10:03 PM
Also.. everywhere Parcells goes, he brings back atleast 15-20 players from his previous teams. Bellichik might have won with offense but this was the first year he did so, he's known as a defensive coach who wins with defense. And by the way, they didn't win anything this year, which is pretty much the same thing the Suns did the past few years.
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6/4/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Also.. everywhere Parcells goes, he brings back atleast 15-20 players from his previous teams. Bellichik might have won with offense but this was the first year he did so, he's known as a defensive coach who wins with defense. And by the way, they didn't win anything this year, which is pretty much the same thing the Suns did the past few years.

15-20 players?!? That's a bit of an exaggeration don't you think?

Belichick always had good offenses led by Brady. This year was obviously off the chart but nobody can call him a one trick pony. Those guys also didn't basically ignore their deficiencies on offense or defense for 4 years.

There's never a guarantee when it comes to winning a championships but there are most definitely contenders and pretenders. Last year's Patriots were not pretenders. You can't say the same for any of D'Antonio's Suns teams.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/4/2008  10:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Also.. everywhere Parcells goes, he brings back atleast 15-20 players from his previous teams. Bellichik might have won with offense but this was the first year he did so, he's known as a defensive coach who wins with defense. And by the way, they didn't win anything this year, which is pretty much the same thing the Suns did the past few years.


He is also known as a cheater.
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6/4/2008  10:27 PM
Alright fine whatever. D'Antoni sucks and the Knicks are never going to play for him. Theres absolutely no chance the Knicks play well under D'Antoni because he's the worst coach in the league that ever stepped on the sidelines and he can't do anything. He's a joke and can't even coach in the WNBA.
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6/4/2008  10:28 PM
Isles if you and your butt-buddy TrueBlue are so ****ing disgusted with the Knicks then please do us all a ****ing favor and find a new team to root for.
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6/4/2008  10:36 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.

Belichick is considered a great defensive coach. He got to the SuperBowl with his offense last year. Parcells has had success with numerous different franchises with different players. He won with defense with the Giants and with 2 different QB's. He won with offense in NE with Bledsoe and the Jets with Vinny and Martin. Now he wanted a certain few of his past players to help influence his new teams in the lockerroom but for the most part he won with all new players.

Bad examples. Name more good coaches, who have won championships, and I'll bet you can't name one whose team wasn't strong defensively.


The Rams

That was one hell of a defensive stand at the end of that game, don't you think?

letting the titans march the ball down the field, you call that a great defensive stand? or just that saving tackle... had there been a few seconds on that clock left, the titans were going to score...
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6/4/2008  10:46 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles if you and your butt-buddy TrueBlue are so ****ing disgusted with the Knicks then please do us all a ****ing favor and find a new team to root for.

Dude, chill.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/4/2008  10:47 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

so Bill Bellichek and Bill Parcells aren't good coaches? It seems to me that they always go after "their" players.

Belichick is considered a great defensive coach. He got to the SuperBowl with his offense last year. Parcells has had success with numerous different franchises with different players. He won with defense with the Giants and with 2 different QB's. He won with offense in NE with Bledsoe and the Jets with Vinny and Martin. Now he wanted a certain few of his past players to help influence his new teams in the lockerroom but for the most part he won with all new players.

Bad examples. Name more good coaches, who have won championships, and I'll bet you can't name one whose team wasn't strong defensively.


The Rams

That was one hell of a defensive stand at the end of that game, don't you think?

letting the titans march the ball down the field, you call that a great defensive stand? or just that saving tackle... had there been a few seconds on that clock left, the titans were going to score...

Ok, how about shutting out the Titans in the first half and only allowing about 90 yards?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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