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6/3/2008  12:00 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

what attack? she is proving how you are badly misinformed

You don't even know who I'm talking about, do you?

And now you have to be nasty and say I'm 'badly misinformed'? Your about to see just how lucky you've been.
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6/3/2008  5:38 AM
Bitty, Im not going to respond a cut and paste article that you copied from some nutjob on the internet. Voting to reduce troop levels has nothing to do with "supporting the troops". Give me a break. This is a guy who spent a good portion of his life serving in the military, a guy whos father and grandfather, not to mention his own children serve in the military. This is a guy who spent 5 EXTRA years in a POW camp because of his own personal code of HONOR. You are really trying to say that he doesnt support the troops? And you support OBAMA?!!? Give me a break! If you want to knock him on his conservative views, or his drug addict wife, or his age, then fine. But you are really cut and pasting nonsense and saying that this is the candidate that doesnt support the troops? Do you REALLY believe that? SERIOUSLY?

[Edited by - izybx on 03-06-2008 05:53 AM]
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6/3/2008  5:41 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

what attack? she is proving how you are badly misinformed

Thank god you are here to enlighten us uneducated simpletons. If only I was informed! Then I would support Obama and be a liberal democrat! If only us poor independants and conservatives knew that the Obama will pay for your house! He will send your kids to college FREE! Health care for all! Gasoline prices are no problem! The economy will rebound from its imaginary recession under chairman Obama! The troops will come home and Iraq will be fine! Well sit at a table and North Korea and Iran will give up their nuclear programs and adopt socialism..err I mean Democracy! Change is something we can believe in!

DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!


THE MAC IS BACK 2008!!



[Edited by - izybx on 03-06-2008 05:53 AM]
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6/3/2008  5:50 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Um, you do know that Mccain is against torture right? You MIGHT wanna check the guy out!
Its about the flip flopping on the topic. One minute he's strenuously against torture then but will not stand up to Bush when he advocates for it.
The thing I don't like about Hilary Clinton regarding the Michigan and Florida vote is that she specifically agreed that those votes would not count.
You will note that Obama is just next to Joe Lieberman - one of McCain's potential VP nominees.
It's gonna be real hard to smear McCain. This isn't going to be like John Kerry, where he let them run all over his war record.
Its so easy to tell who thinks for themselves and who lets Hannity do the thinking for them. Its obvious who knows the news and who just watches TV.

LOL i missed this. Dman Silverfuel you really are full of yourself. Dont hurt yourself by patting yourself on the back to hard for being so well informed and educated. I mean, granted I can easily say that its easy to see who watches CNN and gets their opinions, but I know you dont watch news. Actually, a lot of people probably dont know this about silverfuel, but instead of getting informed from the news or the internet, he goes and talks to the candidates himself. He has all the candidates cell phone numers and calls them up to chat and find out the TRUTH. Cause he is SOOOOOOO informed!

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6/3/2008  6:41 AM
wow izybx, you really take things personal don't you? But thats ok. You are really passionate about being conservative so I'll leave it at that. You are going to vote republican so I am not going to bother convincing you.
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6/3/2008  6:45 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Silverfuel:

what attack? she is proving how you are badly misinformed

You don't even know who I'm talking about, do you?

And now you have to be nasty and say I'm 'badly misinformed'? Your about to see just how lucky you've been.
You are calling me nasty but did you see all the dirty comments izybx made about me? I said you guys are misinformed and gave proof and told you guys how to find more proof. izybx had that teenage girl pissy fit calling me everything from fake to stupid and gave no real reply to any of my posts. Yeah dude, the nasty attacks come from both sides so its pointless to cry about them. It comes with the territory in a politically charged debate.

Just tell me what I posted about McCain is wrong and we'll go from there.
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6/3/2008  7:12 AM
McCain cannot get out of his own way.
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6/3/2008  7:55 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

wow izybx, you really take things personal don't you? But thats ok. You are really passionate about being conservative so I'll leave it at that. You are going to vote republican so I am not going to bother convincing you.

Great post. About a third of the country will vote Republican and a third Democrat no matter what. They will spin every issue in favor of their candidate. There is no point in even arguing with them.
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6/3/2008  10:01 AM
Posted by 4949:

Yup, here come's the nasty attacks again.

Umm whats nasty about providing facts. You sound like a bitter Clinton supporter. Don't you realize this election is bigger then her its bigger then Obama or any candidate thats running. I really believe that this one of the most critical elections in the past 20 years. Forget about Republican vs Democrat for a second and think about whats at stake here. Almost every critical facet of this country has been summarily ****ed up by this Administartion. Look Obama wasn't even my first choice or second for that matter but I'll be damned to stand idly by while another Rethug takes office. There is no ideal candidate that has done and said everything that I agree with but the Republicans have thoroughly shown themselves unable to run this country. Therefore it should be a very long long long time before they should ever get even a whiff of the White House. So focus on whats truly best for this country another Republican who has subscribed and actively supportered so many of Bush's failed policies or is this the time to send a very clear message to Washington: that the American public is fed up with the nonesense that has gone down and wants a change.

And if Obama gets elected and doesn't keep his word about change then I'll be advocating for a new leader of the Democratic party to emerge but right he's our best hope at getting back into the White House. So I plan on sticking with him until that last vote is cast in November.
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6/3/2008  10:09 AM
Posted by izybx:

Bitty, Im not going to respond a cut and paste article that you copied from some nutjob on the internet. Voting to reduce troop levels has nothing to do with "supporting the troops". Give me a break. This is a guy who spent a good portion of his life serving in the military, a guy whos father and grandfather, not to mention his own children serve in the military. This is a guy who spent 5 EXTRA years in a POW camp because of his own personal code of HONOR. You are really trying to say that he doesnt support the troops? And you support OBAMA?!!? Give me a break! If you want to knock him on his conservative views, or his drug addict wife, or his age, then fine. But you are really cut and pasting nonsense and saying that this is the candidate that doesnt support the troops? Do you REALLY believe that? SERIOUSLY?

[Edited by - izybx on 03-06-2008 05:53 AM]


Nutjob hmmm interesting McCain' senate voting record was made up by some internet wackjob right. Check his senate voting record instead. AND YES I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT HE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS IN WHEN VOTE TIME COMES IN THE SENATE. Also how does being a POW qualify you for running the country? And you do realize that there is more to the Federal Government then Defense correct and he doesn't even have a viable plan for that.
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6/3/2008  10:38 AM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Um, you do know that Mccain is against torture right? You MIGHT wanna check the guy out!
Its about the flip flopping on the topic. One minute he's strenuously against torture then but will not stand up to Bush when he advocates for it.
The thing I don't like about Hilary Clinton regarding the Michigan and Florida vote is that she specifically agreed that those votes would not count.
You will note that Obama is just next to Joe Lieberman - one of McCain's potential VP nominees.
It's gonna be real hard to smear McCain. This isn't going to be like John Kerry, where he let them run all over his war record.
Its so easy to tell who thinks for themselves and who lets Hannity do the thinking for them. Its obvious who knows the news and who just watches TV.

LOL i missed this. Dman Silverfuel you really are full of yourself. Dont hurt yourself by patting yourself on the back to hard for being so well informed and educated. I mean, granted I can easily say that its easy to see who watches CNN and gets their opinions, but I know you dont watch news. Actually, a lot of people probably dont know this about silverfuel, but instead of getting informed from the news or the internet, he goes and talks to the candidates himself. He has all the candidates cell phone numers and calls them up to chat and find out the TRUTH. Cause he is SOOOOOOO informed!

Yeah, I too grow a little tired myself, of the education stuff and the notion that the rest of us are all stupid somehow. And just about all of it comes from the obama people. I think all of that 'college degreed people voted for obama' has gotten a little to much to some of their heads.
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6/3/2008  10:49 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Silverfuel:

what attack? she is proving how you are badly misinformed

You don't even know who I'm talking about, do you?

And now you have to be nasty and say I'm 'badly misinformed'? Your about to see just how lucky you've been.
You are calling me nasty but did you see all the dirty comments izybx made about me? I said you guys are misinformed and gave proof and told you guys how to find more proof. izybx had that teenage girl pissy fit calling me everything from fake to stupid and gave no real reply to any of my posts. Yeah dude, the nasty attacks come from both sides so its pointless to cry about them. It comes with the territory in a politically charged debate.

Just tell me what I posted about McCain is wrong and we'll go from there.

Well if you have a problem with izybx, then why come after me? You are obviously stupid. Sorry. But since when are people going to believe what someone is saying to them, when someone is calling them misinformed? Didn't it occur to you that it might offend me and that it would get us nowhere?

I made my point, in what I have experienced. The hatred coming from the obama side. I seen it with Hillary and now I'm starting to see it again with McCain. It doesn't matter what party I'm from or who I'm voting for. The point is, when will the hate stop?

This is the exact thing that tore us all apart in the first place. obama is losing a lot' of support. You can choose not to believe that if you want. I don't know what my 'misinformation' (and it's not true) would have to do with that? Something you accused me of.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Why do you's have to be so nasty about it? And don't throw me in with everyone else either.
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6/3/2008  10:50 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

McCain cannot get out of his own way.

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6/3/2008  10:52 AM
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Posted by Silverfuel:

wow izybx, you really take things personal don't you? But thats ok. You are really passionate about being conservative so I'll leave it at that. You are going to vote republican so I am not going to bother convincing you.

Great post. About a third of the country will vote Republican and a third Democrat no matter what. They will spin every issue in favor of their candidate. There is no point in even arguing with them.

Yeah, just vote your minds and say your peace for your candidate and stop bashing the other.
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6/3/2008  10:53 AM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by izybx:

Bitty, Im not going to respond a cut and paste article that you copied from some nutjob on the internet. Voting to reduce troop levels has nothing to do with "supporting the troops". Give me a break. This is a guy who spent a good portion of his life serving in the military, a guy whos father and grandfather, not to mention his own children serve in the military. This is a guy who spent 5 EXTRA years in a POW camp because of his own personal code of HONOR. You are really trying to say that he doesnt support the troops? And you support OBAMA?!!? Give me a break! If you want to knock him on his conservative views, or his drug addict wife, or his age, then fine. But you are really cut and pasting nonsense and saying that this is the candidate that doesnt support the troops? Do you REALLY believe that? SERIOUSLY?

[Edited by - izybx on 03-06-2008 05:53 AM]


Nutjob hmmm interesting McCain' senate voting record was made up by some internet wackjob right. Check his senate voting record instead. AND YES I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT HE DOESN'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS IN WHEN VOTE TIME COMES IN THE SENATE. Also how does being a POW qualify you for running the country? And you do realize that there is more to the Federal Government then Defense correct and he doesn't even have a viable plan for that.

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6/3/2008  10:58 AM
Posted by sebstar:

You know, I'm getting real tired of this bellyaching from Clinton supporters. If they want to keep threatening Obama supporters that they're going to vote McCain, fine. Be sore losers and take your ball and run home. Just know that those that do will be responsible for the continued destruction that another Republican administration is bound to bring.

I commend Obama for maintaining his dignity throughout all of this, but to be honest I dont think America deserves his leadership, oh wait the leadership of an inadequate BLACK man.

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6/3/2008  11:01 AM
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Here's the Rev. Michael Pflegen showing class. He's the reason obama finally had to quit his church. And you have to agree, doesn't help his cause at all. People laugh at this, but this is pretty offensive to many. I think it's stuff like this that set the woman off in the above video.



Yeah right. I'm sure there is some sort of excuse for her racism. There always is an excuse when it comes to Hillary and her supporters. Pfleger was pretty much spot on in his analysis. He's a good man. I love how white people try to act like they have been the ones victimized by racism and oppression all these years.

Anyway, this is a comment by one man loosely associated with Obama. I didnt see Hagee being so closely associated with McCain even though McCain sought out his endorsement. In any event, the emphasis on meaningless wedge issues like this and typical divisiveness are some of the reasons why this country is in such a serious rut.

Whatever happened to the economy and Iraq?

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6/3/2008  11:03 AM
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Posted by 4949:

Well, just look in the mare and ask yourself. 'Was it really worth being so nasty about the whole affair the last several months? Supporters could've run on obama's character alone. It's too late for both of us, I'm afraid.

And that is the first negative video I seen against obama, to tell you the truth.

You'll see what happens.

I dont know what to tell you. Again I havent seen the level of negative rhetoric from the Obama camp and base, that I have seen from the other side.

Clinton supporters need to grow up and stop being such sore losers. I'm talking about the reasonable, yet overly emotional ones. The racist ones can fall on something sharp for all I care.

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6/3/2008  11:11 AM
Posted by 4949:

Well if you have a problem with izybx, then why come after me? You are obviously stupid. Sorry. But since when are people going to believe what someone is saying to them, when someone is calling them misinformed? Didn't it occur to you that it might offend me and that it would get us nowhere?
There is a huge difference in tones here. I am not remotely upset at you or izybx. You got offended so I apologize. I am going to back off and not reply to your posts on this thread but let me say one thing: Its not hate thats motivating me, its concern.
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6/3/2008  11:25 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by 4949:

Well if you have a problem with izybx, then why come after me? You are obviously stupid. Sorry. But since when are people going to believe what someone is saying to them, when someone is calling them misinformed? Didn't it occur to you that it might offend me and that it would get us nowhere?
There is a huge difference in tones here. I am not remotely upset at you or izybx. You got offended so I apologize. I am going to back off and not reply to your posts on this thread but let me say one thing: Its not hate thats motivating me, its concern.


Your nicer then me. I get where your coming from because clearly there are people who no matter what will always have their viewpoints even if flies directly in the face of reality. But I still think that we all from both sides conservative and liberal alike should fight against the wealth of misinformation that is propagated out there in the media, and correct those people who try to bring that same false information to the table of discussion.
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