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BRIGGS
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6/20/2008  8:35 PM
This is going to be the pick. Every logical conclusion leads me back here--why the heck is Seattle taking Bayless??? They will not. He is head and shoulders above Westbrook or anyone else not named Mayo at the PG slot. He's from AZ AZ always has good guards--there is NO way we are trading this pick to get rid of Zach--jus think about it for a second---there is no way we are trading down. Maybe we can disagree or agree but Bayless to me and to most people here has beena top 5 talent in this draft and if we are thinking logically--the Knicks fastest way to get better is by taking a high quality top 5-6 pick --think about Bayless--how many players are like him in the draft---1 Rose who is better but not a better shooter. I have thought the whole time that we need to address 4-5 but I came back to this post--i listenened to what Mike D said--forget the Internet rumors--he said we need a PG and Bayless is the PG we are taking--THIS IS the draft pick

Use logic and strategic thinking from both the Knicks and Sonics roster--Seattle has two PG at 10mm per---this is going to be an easy swap 6-4 with some cash going to seattle. Seattle will get either Westbrook or Lopez and save a bunch of cash doing so.
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6/20/2008  8:40 PM
i said it before, i'll say it again, they will take bayless or westbrook. they will not take a risk.
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6/20/2008  8:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This is going to be the pick. Every logical conclusion leads me back here--why the heck is Seattle taking Bayless??? They will not. He is head and shoulders above Westbrook or anyone else not named Mayo at the PG slot. He's from AZ AZ always has good guards--there is NO way we are trading this pick to get rid of Zach--jus think about it for a second---there is no way we are trading down. Maybe we can disagree or agree but Bayless to me and to most people here has beena top 5 talent in this draft and if we are thinking logically--the Knicks fastest way to get better is by taking a high quality top 5-6 pick --think about Bayless--how many players are like him in the draft---1 Rose who is better but not a better shooter. I have thought the whole time that we need to address 4-5 but I came back to this post--i listenened to what Mike D said--forget the Internet rumors--he said we need a PG and Bayless is the PG we are taking--THIS IS the draft pick

Use logic and strategic thinking from both the Knicks and Sonics roster--Seattle has two PG at 10mm per---this is going to be an easy swap 6-4 with some cash going to seattle. Seattle will get either Westbrook or Lopez and save a bunch of cash doing so.


Hope this is true. Bayless, in my mind has established himself as the fourth best player in this draft. Haven't mentioned him much because I didn't think their was a chance of us selecting him.

Bayless is right there with Rose. Rose is a little more explosive, but bayless is clearly the better shooter and will look awesome running pick and rolls because of his touch. One question though, if Seattle doesn't want a point guard, why swap for Westbrook?
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6/20/2008  9:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

This is going to be the pick. Every logical conclusion leads me back here--why the heck is Seattle taking Bayless??? They will not. He is head and shoulders above Westbrook or anyone else not named Mayo at the PG slot. He's from AZ AZ always has good guards--there is NO way we are trading this pick to get rid of Zach--jus think about it for a second---there is no way we are trading down. Maybe we can disagree or agree but Bayless to me and to most people here has beena top 5 talent in this draft and if we are thinking logically--the Knicks fastest way to get better is by taking a high quality top 5-6 pick --think about Bayless--how many players are like him in the draft---1 Rose who is better but not a better shooter. I have thought the whole time that we need to address 4-5 but I came back to this post--i listenened to what Mike D said--forget the Internet rumors--he said we need a PG and Bayless is the PG we are taking--THIS IS the draft pick

Use logic and strategic thinking from both the Knicks and Sonics roster--Seattle has two PG at 10mm per---this is going to be an easy swap 6-4 with some cash going to seattle. Seattle will get either Westbrook or Lopez and save a bunch of cash doing so.

Hey, your mouth to God's ears my man. But I don't think it will be nearly that easy to deal with Seattle directly to move up. First off, why are you convinced Seattle's not taking Bayless?? Yeah Ridnour and Earl Watson are making some money (it's more like 6/6.5 per not 10 for each) but both of their contracts only run for two more seasons - it's not like they have deals that run through 2013 or something. And let's be honest - both of those guys are backups anyway. Bayless is clearly better than both of those guys - it's not even close talent-wise. He'd be a huge upgrade. He's going to Seattle - I seriously don't see anyone other than maybe Kevin Love they'd be interested in at 4. I doubt they'd want Brook Lopez - they already have 3 young centers in Swift, Sene and Petro. Not to mention with Kevin Durant and Jeff Green you figure they aren't interested in any of the SF talent in the lottery like Randolph, Alexander or Galinari. I could be wrong - but this is how I see it. Though by the same logic, Westbrook would be an upgrade over Ridnour and Watson also and they could use a scoring SG like Gordon so maybe they do decide to move down. I just don't see a 4 for 6 & cash swap. And I don't see Seattle and the Knicks as good trading partners unless we bring in a 3rd team (I've suggested bringing in Memphis as a 3rd team where the Sonics would get Mike Conley Jr. as their centerpiece) - neither really has anything the other team might want. That's why I'd rather just put something together with Minnesota using Eddy Curry and our pick and leapfrog Seattle altogether...


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2008 9:46 PM]
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6/20/2008  9:38 PM
i suggested this deal:

curry + 6 for ridnour + petro + 4
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6/20/2008  9:58 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i suggested this deal:

curry + 6 for ridnour + petro + 4

Hey this could work. Curry would be better than any of those centers they have. Then they use 6 on Kevin Love or Eric Gordon.

Curry
Love
Durant
Green
????? - Watson for now, maybe they use their additional draft assets to move up to the late lottery and get DJ Augustin

Works better if we take Earl Watson back - let them keep Ridnour who's a little better or I could see it going down if we kicked in Nate Robinson. But if I were in control in Seattle, I'd rather draft the big lead guard prospect in Bayless and take my chances developing these young 5s I drafted the past few seasons...


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-20-2008 10:34 PM]
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6/20/2008  11:19 PM
Bayless would be a great choice if he falls or if it's not too costly to trade up to 4. Everyone knows who the first two picks are and the fifth looks like Love. So our fate depends on Minnesota and Seattle. By rights, both Bayless and Mayo will go to those two teams. But if one of them makes a dumb move and lets either of the guards slip, we should get one of them. Or if one of Minny and Seattle takes Love, and the other team takes Mayo, Memphis will not want another point guard. They already have Javaris, Kyle and Conley.

Basically, our fate isn't in our own hands. But if we're lucky enough to get Bayless on Thursday, I will be a happy camper. The guy can shoot, he has a quick first step and he draws fouls (he's not one of those skinny guards who's afraid of contact.

I agree, he'll never be a great passer. But he does have the mindset to be the best passer he can be and in passing, that's important. He's not Oscar Robertson, but he brings a lot to the table - including a good head which is one of the most underrated attributes a basketball player can have.
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6/21/2008  12:42 AM
Bayless sucks imo. Gordon is better than Bayless to me. If not Westbrook, I think the Knicks should take Gordon. I don't like Bayless's game.
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6/21/2008  9:30 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i suggested this deal:

curry + 6 for ridnour + petro + 4

Thats way to much and we'd be filling our roster with way to many small guys. It's like this If Seattle wants 2mm $ to change places--OK if not select Bayless.
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6/25/2008  3:41 AM
Im staying with this. Bayless has been a top 5 pick all year--he is clearly the next best PG on the board after Mayo and Rose and has the physical size[6-3 204] athletic ability[38 inch vertical] and AZ has put out great guard after great guard. He's a guy who can play and impact right now.

I would be shocked if I see something other than

1 Rose
2 Beasley[although he might be traded]
3 Mayo
4 Lopez
5 Love[kills Lee trade]
6 Bayless

That is the order of talent in terms of BPA
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6/25/2008  7:45 AM
Westbrook locked him and Mayo down in h2h play
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6/25/2008  7:57 AM
I like Bayless better than Mayo. Mayo's better defensively. They're both about even from outside and in getting to the hoop. Bayless is the better passer and better at getting to the line. I have to agree with Briggs on this. If we come out of this draft with Bayless, that will be a very good outcome.
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7/20/2008  4:51 PM
This is what I mean--the safe pick. He clearly was a safer pick than Gallinari and Randolph IF the Knicks wanted a CANT miss. If they wanted a higher risk higher reward player they shouldve moved down
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7/20/2008  5:36 PM
how many 6'2 and under SGs do we need? This is about Bayless right? Nate was the summer league MVP. When Bayless does that he will have proven.. I dont know what. Majec Lampe was first team in his only summer league. Jeff McInnis played his way into the NBA by blowing everyone away in summer league. On and on and on... Maybe Bayless is another Monta Ellis. Maybe Gallo is another Boris Diaw. Personally I would rather have the front court guy that can play several positions, score from anywhere that handles the ball like a PG.
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Posted by fishmike:

how many 6'2 and under SGs do we need? This is about Bayless right? Nate was the summer league MVP. When Bayless does that he will have proven.. I dont know what. Majec Lampe was first team in his only summer league. Jeff McInnis played his way into the NBA by blowing everyone away in summer league. On and on and on... Maybe Bayless is another Monta Ellis. Maybe Gallo is another Boris Diaw. Personally I would rather have the front court guy that can play several positions, score from anywhere that handles the ball like a PG.

I rather have the front court guy who can dominate the post, hit his open 15 footer, rebound, play post defense and oh yeah shotblock.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by fishmike:

how many 6'2 and under SGs do we need? This is about Bayless right? Nate was the summer league MVP. When Bayless does that he will have proven.. I dont know what. Majec Lampe was first team in his only summer league. Jeff McInnis played his way into the NBA by blowing everyone away in summer league. On and on and on... Maybe Bayless is another Monta Ellis. Maybe Gallo is another Boris Diaw. Personally I would rather have the front court guy that can play several positions, score from anywhere that handles the ball like a PG.

I rather have the front court guy who can dominate the post, hit his open 15 footer, rebound, play post defense and oh yeah shotblock.

So would everyone else, too bad one is in Boston and the other is in San Antonio.
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--->Personally I would rather have the front court guy that can play several positions, score from anywhere that handles the ball like a PG.
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Me too but we passed on Randolph. If anyone here thinks that Gallinari handles like Randolph and can actually play some real PG in the NBA--I think you may eb wrong. As far as I can see Randolph is better at everything except long range shooting. I thought he was perfect for this/The way this works out is Gallinari is a light sout shooter on a nightly basis because I think when it comes down to it--he looks like a very porous defender and limited in other areas. If he can use his jumpshot to score around18- 20 points shooting 47% and grab 6 rebounds --then it will be a good pick. Without that type of offensive output he's not good enough at everything else to be highly effective. That little 6 minute snippet of jumpshots---he's got to be able to do that very consitently. Randolph is a better defender passer rebounder ballhandler hes much more athletic/faster--he just doesnt have that jumpshot Gallinari has---so thats Gallinaris calling card if he wants to be a big piece of the pie

when you listened to walsh say we have to get this pick right--right away I figured bayless doing the math gallinari is a project player

Also Bayless is 6-3 Nate is maybe 5-7 so its not comparable.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-20-2008 8:12 PM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:

--->Personally I would rather have the front court guy that can play several positions, score from anywhere that handles the ball like a PG.


Me too but we passed on Randolph. If anyone here thinks that Gallinari handles like Randolph and can actually play some real PG in the NBA--I think you may eb wrong. As far as I can see Randolph is better at everything except long range shooting. I thought he was perfect for this/The way this works out is Gallinari is a light sout shooter on a nightly basis because I think when it comes down to it--he looks like a very porous defender and limited in other areas. If he can use his jumpshot to score around18- 20 points shooting 47% and grab 6 rebounds --then it will be a good pick. Without that type of offensive output he's not good enough at everything else to be highly effective. That little 6 minute snippet of jumpshots---he's got to be able to do that very consitently. Randolph is a better defender passer rebounder ballhandler hes much more athletic/faster--he just doesnt have that jumpshot Gallinari has---so thats Gallinaris calling card if he wants to be a big piece of the pie

when you listened to walsh say we have to get this pick right--right away I figured bayless doing the math gallinari is a project player

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-20-2008 8:11 PM]
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I am a Randolph guy but I have a hard time believing that he is a better passer than Gallinari. Though I wouldn't want my PF to be my ball handler. Could be useful pressure defense but I want my PF establishing a position in the post. Although with D'Antoni I guess it doesn't matter.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

--->Personally I would rather have the front court guy that can play several positions, score from anywhere that handles the ball like a PG.


Me too but we passed on Randolph. If anyone here thinks that Gallinari handles like Randolph and can actually play some real PG in the NBA--I think you may eb wrong. As far as I can see Randolph is better at everything except long range shooting. I thought he was perfect for this/The way this works out is Gallinari is a light sout shooter on a nightly basis because I think when it comes down to it--he looks like a very porous defender and limited in other areas. If he can use his jumpshot to score around18- 20 points shooting 47% and grab 6 rebounds --then it will be a good pick. Without that type of offensive output he's not good enough at everything else to be highly effective. That little 6 minute snippet of jumpshots---he's got to be able to do that very consitently. Randolph is a better defender passer rebounder ballhandler hes much more athletic/faster--he just doesnt have that jumpshot Gallinari has---so thats Gallinaris calling card if he wants to be a big piece of the pie

when you listened to walsh say we have to get this pick right--right away I figured bayless doing the math gallinari is a project player

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-20-2008 8:11 PM]

I am a Randolph guy but I have a hard time believing that he is a better passer than Gallinari. Though I wouldn't want my PF to be my ball handler. Could be useful pressure defense but I want my PF establishing a position in the post. Although with D'Antoni I guess it doesn't matter.
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When all is said and done there will be teams crying they missed out on several players. i said this before and I believe it--there will be MULTIPLE players drafted AFTER Gallinari who will be superior players--all IMHO and Randolph Bayless and Lopez will all be in that group.
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7/20/2008  9:03 PM
I don't disagree, I think Randolph will be a superior player due to upside and his current skills. I am just surprise that you believe that Randolph is a superior passer to Gallinari. I think Randolph shotblocking and rebounding is what sets him apart.
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