Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Trueblue, not to be disrespectful, but stop getting your panties in a bunch about this. Of course the Suns were awesome b/c of the players. And the Suns weren't a great defensive team, because of those players. You can't give credit to the players for being a great offensive team, and then give the criticism to D'Antoni for them being a not great defensive team. The players should be criticized even more if anything. Just like here, the players should be criticized for being lousy on defense, and ISIAH should be criticized for bringing them in, and how dare I say, the Colangelos's should be criticized for building mainly and offensive team.

We need to rebuild this team and then see what D'Antoni can do with it. Hopefully we can draft Rose and he'll be a guy we can build around for this system.

SO far, I think we need to see what we do with this roster. We need to get rid of Currydolf.

I've already said Amare and Nash are terrible at defense but in D'Antoni's 4yrs there did he get them to play it? No! Guess what we have players here who are terribly defensively and rather not play it. Will D'Antoni cure them? Highly unlikely. So we hired and paid a coach Boo-Koo Bucks to bring us his offensive vision when we don't even have the roster suited for his system.

Those taking a positive view of this are missing the big picture. If you post that this move is a disaster now, then if things don't work out a year or two down the line, you can call up your posts from today as proof that you are a basketball prophet. Simple really.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Trueblue, not to be disrespectful, but stop getting your panties in a bunch about this. Of course the Suns were awesome b/c of the players. And the Suns weren't a great defensive team, because of those players. You can't give credit to the players for being a great offensive team, and then give the criticism to D'Antoni for them being a not great defensive team. The players should be criticized even more if anything. Just like here, the players should be criticized for being lousy on defense, and ISIAH should be criticized for bringing them in, and how dare I say, the Colangelos's should be criticized for building mainly and offensive team.

We need to rebuild this team and then see what D'Antoni can do with it. Hopefully we can draft Rose and he'll be a guy we can build around for this system.

SO far, I think we need to see what we do with this roster. We need to get rid of Currydolf.

I've already said Amare and Nash are terrible at defense but in D'Antoni's 4yrs there did he get them to play it? No! Guess what we have players here who are terribly defensively and rather not play it. Will D'Antoni cure them? Highly unlikely. So we hired and paid a coach Boo-Koo Bucks to bring us his offensive vision when we don't even have the roster suited for his system.

I believe that's why we rebuild.

Fact is D'Antoni is willing to take on an awful situation and prove his legacy. He could have taken the Bulls job, which I am suspecting most feel is a better situation, and still got paid big $$$. Sure, the money has to be factor in choosing the Knicks, but at least he didn't use us and take the other offer.

I respect his willingness to take our team, filled with players that many her loathe, and try to make lemonade out of it. Brown did too, but Brown seems to have a very different personality than D'Antoini, as is there clearly a difference between Isiah and Walsh, at least observed thus far.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I'm acceptable to this but I don't want to see a starphuc--meaning I dont want to swap that lottery pick for a 31 year old retread. There is NO KG on the market and ONLY a player of KG's magnitude could help a roster that contained two other all stars excellent role players and what developed into a very solid PG. Just going out and swapping Shawn Marion for pick 5 and Marbury is as bad as it would get. I would really disappointed if they went ride off the trail they said--cap space in 2 years. To me--that is a better plan than hiring a coach. And I know why the people here might be upset with hiring this coach--they may feel another starphcking attempt is coming and I think they could be right. The coach is fine because if hes good enough he can alter things here and there to make a team work. If he wants to play like Phoenix--I will say we will be rebuilding for 5 years. So there has to be an in between--i.e his coaching style has to change a bit and we havce to stick with the first plan and rebuild this sht pile.

Walsh is a careful GM. His history has shown that he will not trade for players with age. Here is an excerpt of his highlights from hoopsworld

With that said, the following are a list of Walsh's career highlights:

1987 – Drafts Reggie Miller over local hero Steve Alford of Indiana University. This was one of this earliest moves and it turned out to be a really, really good one. Indy is a state known for loving it's own (remember how mad everyone one was when Indiana prep stars Mike Conley and Greg Oden chose Ohio State over IU?), so to take that sort of risk was gutsy, especially for a new GM.

1988 – Drafts Rik Smits. Okay, so maybe the Dunkin' Dutchman won't go down as the greatest center of all time, but he was an integral part of that mid-90s Finals team, and easily one of the must underrated big men of his era.

1989 – Trades Herb Williams to Dallas Mavericks for eventual Sixth Man of the Year Detlef Schrempf. With Williams on the downswing, this move was a stroke of great luck for Walsh. While he may have cashed him in a bit early for Derrick McKey, the team did make the Finals the year after he was moved. Still, one can only wonder what might have happened for that team with Detlef in the lineup instead of McKey.

1994 – Trades Pooh Richardson to the L.A. Clippers for Mark Jackson. Jackson easily was one of the best point guards in the franchise's history, while "Pooh" is just an NBA bust with a funny name.

2000 – Trades Dale Davis to the Portland Trail Blazers for Jermaine O'Neal. While drafting Reggie may have been Walsh's career highlight, this was by far his most lopsided trade. Davis was serviceable during the team's mid-to-late '90s dominance, but in return they got a solid All-Star and one of Indianapolis's most beloved athletes of all time.

2002 – Trades Jalen Rose and Travis Best for Brad Miller and Ron Artest (with Kevin Ollie and Ron Mercer). Who knows how this could've turned out had the team been willing to extend Miller and Artest had kept his head in Motown? Even though the long-term rewards of this trade didn't quite work out, the deal was much better for Indiana than it was for Chicago, who still didn't make the playoffs, even with Rose.

2005 – Drafts Danny Granger. Clearly Granger is the team's future. While Walsh steps away and moves on, Granger is the guy who is expected to lead the latest incarnation of the team

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Trueblue, not to be disrespectful, but stop getting your panties in a bunch about this. Of course the Suns were awesome b/c of the players. And the Suns weren't a great defensive team, because of those players. You can't give credit to the players for being a great offensive team, and then give the criticism to D'Antoni for them being a not great defensive team. The players should be criticized even more if anything. Just like here, the players should be criticized for being lousy on defense, and ISIAH should be criticized for bringing them in, and how dare I say, the Colangelos's should be criticized for building mainly and offensive team.

We need to rebuild this team and then see what D'Antoni can do with it. Hopefully we can draft Rose and he'll be a guy we can build around for this system.

SO far, I think we need to see what we do with this roster. We need to get rid of Currydolf.

I've already said Amare and Nash are terrible at defense but in D'Antoni's 4yrs there did he get them to play it? No! Guess what we have players here who are terribly defensively and rather not play it. Will D'Antoni cure them? Highly unlikely. So we hired and paid a coach Boo-Koo Bucks to bring us his offensive vision when we don't even have the roster suited for his system.

I believe that's why we rebuild.

That's not why D'Antoni was hired. He was hired for one reason only and please all of us don't be fooled. This is an All-In move to make the playoffs next yr, PERIOD. Anything outside of this, like getting under the cap, acquiring other means of flexibility or leverage to improve the roster, will be looked at as a bonus and nothing more.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by markvmc:

Those taking a positive view of this are missing the big picture. If you post that this move is a disaster now, then if things don't work out a year or two down the line, you can call up your posts from today as proof that you are a basketball prophet. Simple really.

And Prophecy has fulfilled many of times on this board in favor of the sort you're describing the past 3-4yrs.

You just copied anything Isles said really.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-10-2008 2:49 PM]

Did he say this? ROTFLOL if he did seriously I'm oblivious to it.

Isles is not around at the moment, I'm my own agent trying to keep us level headed here.

Atleast I can personally rejoice over this move. I'm confident this is going to work out well for the Knicks franchise. With Walsh, D'Antoni and maybe Derrick Rose, things could really start to turn around here.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Trueblue, not to be disrespectful, but stop getting your panties in a bunch about this. Of course the Suns were awesome b/c of the players. And the Suns weren't a great defensive team, because of those players. You can't give credit to the players for being a great offensive team, and then give the criticism to D'Antoni for them being a not great defensive team. The players should be criticized even more if anything. Just like here, the players should be criticized for being lousy on defense, and ISIAH should be criticized for bringing them in, and how dare I say, the Colangelos's should be criticized for building mainly and offensive team.

We need to rebuild this team and then see what D'Antoni can do with it. Hopefully we can draft Rose and he'll be a guy we can build around for this system.

SO far, I think we need to see what we do with this roster. We need to get rid of Currydolf.

I've already said Amare and Nash are terrible at defense but in D'Antoni's 4yrs there did he get them to play it? No! Guess what we have players here who are terribly defensively and rather not play it. Will D'Antoni cure them? Highly unlikely. So we hired and paid a coach Boo-Koo Bucks to bring us his offensive vision when we don't even have the roster suited for his system.

I believe that's why we rebuild.

That's not why D'Antoni was hired. He was hired for one reason only and please all of us don't be fooled. This is an All-In move to make the playoffs next yr, PERIOD. Anything outside of this, like getting under the cap, acquiring other means of flexibility or leverage to improve the roster, will be looked at as a bonus and nothing more.

And you know this how?? Are you Donnie Walsh's wife? Do you have a magic 8 ball?

DW said he wanted to have a coach in place before the draft.

Just look at it this way PresIke. We have a guy who has built a lot of winning Pacers teams and has solid yet professional relationships with his employees. D'Antoni is a winning coach who puts together a great system but needs good players to succeed. (What coach doesn't???? What NBA championship team has bad players?) I don't know that we'll build a championship contender, but I do know that the losing culture is changing before our eyes.

BTW, no coach will succeed with the roster we currently have. There's no other choice than to rebuild with this pile of shyat that we have.