Posted by islesfan:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by CrushAlot:

I think you are right on with your assessment. I think the other troubling things are that this move implies that Dolan is as involved as he was in the past. I also think that D'Antoni is going to burnout quick. Most coaches who have had the kind of run he has had need a year off because they are so into their job and it is so intense. It certainly will be intense for him once he is in NY. My biggest problems with the hire is that it is the same thing with a new pres. and that it appears again that rebuilding will not be happening.

Boy, you anti D'Antoni people will say anything' to bash this move, before it even got started. The guy hasn't even sign yet!

In a few years, I'm gonna be laughing my ass off on this board, reminding people of how clueless they've been about what the hell we been needing on this team. I believe we will be back in playoff contention in two years and no one's going to be bashing him anymore. I truly believe that our young cats will be thriving under D'Antoni soon enough. You'll see.

Nobody is saying that the Knicks won't win more games with D'Antoni. Most of us "Anti-D'Antoni people" think he'll get them to the playoffs sooner rather than later. But at what cost? No true rebuild but a short cut to mediocrity? No thanks.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by CrushAlot:

I think you are right on with your assessment. I think the other troubling things are that this move implies that Dolan is as involved as he was in the past. I also think that D'Antoni is going to burnout quick. Most coaches who have had the kind of run he has had need a year off because they are so into their job and it is so intense. It certainly will be intense for him once he is in NY. My biggest problems with the hire is that it is the same thing with a new pres. and that it appears again that rebuilding will not be happening.

Boy, you anti D'Antoni people will say anything' to bash this move, before it even got started. The guy hasn't even sign yet!

In a few years, I'm gonna be laughing my ass off on this board, reminding people of how clueless they've been about what the hell we been needing on this team. I believe we will be back in playoff contention in two years and no one's going to be bashing him anymore. I truly believe that our young cats will be thriving under D'Antoni soon enough. You'll see.

Nobody is saying that the Knicks won't win more games with D'Antoni. Most of us "Anti-D'Antoni people" think he'll get them to the playoffs sooner rather than later. But at what cost? No true rebuild but a short cut to mediocrity? No thanks.

Posted by holfresh:

It's tough watching the younger teams in the league come of age while we are still playing the same game from Dolan's playbook...One would have thought the noise made/being made by New Orleans, Atanta, and Utah would have clued in this organization on the virtues of rebuilding...Apparently not...
One can only hope now this is part of a grander plan being orchestrated by Moses Stern...He did wonders for Boston and L.A....By the way, no one can ever convince me those trades were legit...Can the Knicks be far behind...

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by holfresh:

It's tough watching the younger teams in the league come of age while we are still playing the same game from Dolan's playbook...One would have thought the noise made/being made by New Orleans, Atanta, and Utah would have clued in this organization on the virtues of rebuilding...Apparently not...
One can only hope now this is part of a grander plan being orchestrated by Moses Stern...He did wonders for Boston and L.A....By the way, no one can ever convince me those trades were legit...Can the Knicks be far behind...

WTF....How did you interpet all of that before the man even signed on the dotted line? So if we hired Joe Nobody would that signal a rebuild? Walsh has 30 years of BB experience and I highly doubt he would put his intergrity on the line to be a puppet to James Dolan.

D'Antoni offers a blueprint for Walsh to follow as he rebuilds. How about we quit specualting (as someone mentioned) and let this play. Walsh hasn't even made one player/personel move yet.

islesfan wrote:

Posted by holfresh:

If the Knicks hire Mike D'Antoni for the job as coach of this basketball team, it's sending a message that the Knicks are not rebuilding...The organization is still going down he road of starphucking in hopes of getting better...I was hoping Mark Jax would be hired sending a signal we are changing the game plan by rebuilding and letting the new coach learn on the job...I think it's been proven many times that this plan,starphucking, doesn't work...I'm beginning to think the reason Walsh was hired is to turn around the Knicks the way Indiana was turned around after the Reggie Miller and Co. era...This will just prolong the time it will take this organization to be competitive again...I would much rather go the Altanta route than the Celtic route when it comes to creating/building a winning basketball environment...

Freaking Dolan is still pulling the strings and Knick fans will continue to be disappointed...If D'Antoni is hired, it will be a sad day for Knick basketball, not because he isn't capable but because of the direction this organization is going...So my good friends, saddle up, the starphucking train is pulling out of Penn Station once again....

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-10-2008 12:17 PM]

You are 100% correct. This is just more of the same old ****.

This is no different than acquiring Zach Randolph last summer, just because he was a big flashy name with "stats" who became very available.

Big name...check

Looking for the most money...check

Unwanted from his last stop...check

Bad fit...check

Continue Isiah's misguided attempt to build the Suns East...check

Be entertaining enough to sell tickets and lose in the 2nd rd every year with no realistic chance at contending for championships...check

Starphuck...double check

They'll never be lucky enough to acquire the kind of talent that D'Antoni had to work with in Phoenix. At best you're looking at the Warriors and Nuggets. Think the Rick Pitino Knicks but without a franchise center. D'Antoni relies on the run and gun to cover up the fact that his teams are poor defensively and don't execute well in the half court. That's a recipe for entertainment, not championships.

D'Antoni is a bad fit and it's sad that some Knicks fans are so desperate that they can't or refuse to see it.

This is a total Isiah and Dolan move. Walsh is proving that he's here for the money and doesn't mind being a puppet. Isiah wants to be the Phoenix Suns of the East and Dolan wants to get big names here to keep their season ticket holders and sell tickets. Keep being suckers. That's exactly what they want.

Boston sucked on D but then they add KG and when their Best player says play harder on D the rest follow his example and execute what the coach teaches. Who do we have on this team that can do that among the players?
When Amare went down and MDA had Diaw and KT that team was still able to win 54 games and get to the WCF. He at least had someone willing to defend inside. We won't have to be a juggernaut on D to win big with his system and better players.

oohah wrote:

nixluva wrote:When your best players won't defend how can any coach make his team better defensively? DLee refuses to consistently help defend.

And why doesn't D'Antoni hold Lee accountable, like he did, let's say Robinson? Hmmmm.

And is you haven't realized yet, defense is not stressed in a D'Antoni gameplan.

oohah

People keep saying that but even if he "stressed it" what diff would that make? Tell me when did DLee ever defend inside? We never saw this even under a defensive guru like LB! You bring in Lead players that will show pride and toughness and demand the same from their teammates and have the coaches back then you'll see a difference.

Right now we have to look at the make up of the team and remember that this likely won't be the team we see next year and beyond. DW's job will be to put together a roster built to win. Built with more two way players and more toughness inside. His teams in the past had that and I fully expect him to do the same here. This two yr nightmare is almost over. DW has faith in MDA and his job is to give him the best roster he can to get the job done.

MDA has his faults but coaching talented teams isn't one of them. I don't understand why fans are so worried about MDA when it's been proven time n again that good teams will win even if they have a lame coach, but a good coach can push them further. Mike Brown held his team back in a playoff situation. I don't think MDA would be as lost. MDA won a playoff series down 3 games and that is probably one of the hardest things to do. There's no margin for error. He lost his 2nd best player and bigman but cobbled together a few career journeymen and won 54 games and went to the WCF. A Mike Brown type of coach couldn't do that. I know MDA has looked awful but this has been a freaked up situation and as many feared players
on last yr contracts can be selfish and not team oriented. No matter how much a coach screams the players have to WANT to do it.

CrushAlot wrote:

islesfan wrote:"I think it is a terrible match," said one rival head coach. "I don't get it. Two of the biggest problems with the Knicks are that they don't practice and they don't play defense. I don't know if that changes now."

It didn't.

There are no Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen or Marcus Camby types on the team but I bet DW will make sure there are next yr.