Posted by crzymdups:

it's worth noting that the top notch teams don't salivate over Brown when they have a vacancy - he usually goes to a team that is struggling mightily.

perhaps he always wants the "challenge" of rebuilding, or perhaps his reputation is such that teams that are already winning and doing well avoid him. people will say the pistons hired him, and i agree he did a fantastic job there, but he was also fired unceremoniously and told to get out of dodge and the owner tried to get out of having to pay him his contract... oh yeah, because he interviewed with the cavs WHILE his team was in the playoffs trying to defend their title.

he's a sleeze. he and isiah deserved each other like few other pairs in the nba.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by crzymdups:

it's worth noting that the top notch teams don't salivate over Brown when they have a vacancy - he usually goes to a team that is struggling mightily.

perhaps he always wants the "challenge" of rebuilding, or perhaps his reputation is such that teams that are already winning and doing well avoid him. people will say the pistons hired him, and i agree he did a fantastic job there, but he was also fired unceremoniously and told to get out of dodge and the owner tried to get out of having to pay him his contract... oh yeah, because he interviewed with the cavs WHILE his team was in the playoffs trying to defend their title.

he's a sleeze. he and isiah deserved each other like few other pairs in the nba.

It's also worth noting that Bill Davidson has no credibility in the matter since he's the same owner who unceremoniously dumped Carlisle for Brown after one 50 win season.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by crzymdups:

it's worth noting that the top notch teams don't salivate over Brown when they have a vacancy - he usually goes to a team that is struggling mightily.

perhaps he always wants the "challenge" of rebuilding, or perhaps his reputation is such that teams that are already winning and doing well avoid him. people will say the pistons hired him, and i agree he did a fantastic job there, but he was also fired unceremoniously and told to get out of dodge and the owner tried to get out of having to pay him his contract... oh yeah, because he interviewed with the cavs WHILE his team was in the playoffs trying to defend their title.

he's a sleeze. he and isiah deserved each other like few other pairs in the nba.

It's also worth noting that Bill Davidson has no credibility in the matter since he's the same owner who unceremoniously dumped Carlisle for Brown after one 50 win season.

firing a coach is different. do the mavs lose all credibility because they fired avery johnson? do the suns if they fire d'antoni? no. it's how the firing is handled. or are you suggesting brown is just "bad at break-ups"?

Posted by crzymdups:

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Rick Carlisle sat elbow-to-elbow with the man who had just fired him, Joe Dumars. In a bizarre scene, talk turned to Larry Brown, who will become Detroit's next coach.

"If you think he's going to bring in a stiff behind me, you're nuts,'' Carlisle said Saturday. "He's going to bring in a big-time guy, and if he can do that he will have done his job.''

When Dumars said, "This is not a fun day at all,'' Carlisle quipped: "It's all right. You can have fun with it.''

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0531/1561343.html

is different than the owner saying

"Larry Brown is not a good person" after two straight finals appearances. Let's remember, again, that Brown was fired for interviewing with the Cavs DURING the playoffs while Detroit was trying to defend their title. Did Brown cost the Pistons their second title in a row with the circus of distractions he created? - in a series that went seven games and featured at least one buzzer beater by San Antonio.

and of course when Detroit lost game 5 on a buzzer beater to San Antonio, Larry was quick to pin all the blame on Rasheed Wallace for missing a rotation.

he is a horrible person and a snake and a good Xs and Os coach. end of story.

Posted by islesfan:

Again, for those who missed it the first time:

Brown deserves most of the criticism that has come his way from his numerous departures, but this time his hand was forced by Dolan and Isiah. That's an undeniable fact.

Nobody has anything to refute this so they harp on his past with other clubs.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by islesfan:

Again, for those who missed it the first time:

Brown deserves most of the criticism that has come his way from his numerous departures, but this time his hand was forced by Dolan and Isiah. That's an undeniable fact.

Nobody has anything to refute this so they harp on his past with other clubs.

The reason I harp on the past is to show a pattern. Brown has seemed to force his way out of numerous situations. Just because the Knicks front office was the most inept that he had to deal with, and who inturn forced some people out unprofessionally (Just like Brown forced himself out of situations un professionally) doesn't mean this lands squarely on the shoulders of the Knicks. I think Brown and the Knicks front office met somewhere in the middle.

Similars patterns (Health issues, bizarre behavior, comments, walking away before the contract expires ) that occured in Detroit towards the end of his term, occured here at MSG right before he walked.

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by crzymdups:

oh, i forgot about peepee gate! man, brown is a card. i mean turd.


and, TrueBlue, that article says Brown initiated the Cavs contact. and I remember hearing about meeting Lebron in his office on gameday (while they were playing the Cavs. in the playoffs.)


he's all class, that Brown fella.



[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-05-2008 6:57 PM]

OMG!!!!!.

No we aren't citing Sam Smith as a credible source a flat out confirmed liar beat writer. I posted an article on Sam Smith from one of his fellow CT beat writers, who's essentially an understudy. In that article it spoke of how Smith goes about writing his articles, with several quotes from Phil Jackson stating he adds stuff that isn't there by how you respond to his questions. The same writer who was called out last yr on 2 stories he wrote, one of them lying on Jason Richardson of the GSW. It was so bad Jason had to address his family members and ball club over the article he wrote. He's a confirmed Liar who writes articles to be read. I believe the things that happened behind close doors weren't all good, most of which we all know nothing about. It isn't one sided as you are trying to paint it.

Once again all this drama of his closing moments in Detroit and yet he won 1 championship and came within game 7 of winning 2 in a row with the club. All of these embellished fables, well known before we hired him and yet we were all content on letting the snake bite us and call ourselves remaining mad and bitter because he did?

The snake keeps finding jobs, keeps producing good results, and when the snake slithered away from us things got better for him and worse for us. Man LB's VENOM JUICE CARD is lethal, at least I see how it's affecting your senses.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-01-2008 6:37 PM]

The only thing I have ever read that was authored by Sam Smith was the Jordan Rules. Other than that, I can't really comment on the articles you mentioned. But what I can say is that most of what was said in Smiths article has been echoed in countless newspapers in numerous cities that Brown abandoned. Check the article I posted on page 2 of this thread by Ian Thomsen. Unless you have a problem with him too.

Fables? Embellished a little? Perhaps. But definitely not fables. And as far as Brown always landing on his feet after falling from airplanes, well, the Carolina blue blood runs deep in the veins of NBA circles.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Uptown:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by crzymdups:

oh, i forgot about peepee gate! man, brown is a card. i mean turd.


and, TrueBlue, that article says Brown initiated the Cavs contact. and I remember hearing about meeting Lebron in his office on gameday (while they were playing the Cavs. in the playoffs.)


he's all class, that Brown fella.



[Edited by - crzymdups on 01-05-2008 6:57 PM]

OMG!!!!!.

No we aren't citing Sam Smith as a credible source a flat out confirmed liar beat writer. I posted an article on Sam Smith from one of his fellow CT beat writers, who's essentially an understudy. In that article it spoke of how Smith goes about writing his articles, with several quotes from Phil Jackson stating he adds stuff that isn't there by how you respond to his questions. The same writer who was called out last yr on 2 stories he wrote, one of them lying on Jason Richardson of the GSW. It was so bad Jason had to address his family members and ball club over the article he wrote. He's a confirmed Liar who writes articles to be read. I believe the things that happened behind close doors weren't all good, most of which we all know nothing about. It isn't one sided as you are trying to paint it.

Once again all this drama of his closing moments in Detroit and yet he won 1 championship and came within game 7 of winning 2 in a row with the club. All of these embellished fables, well known before we hired him and yet we were all content on letting the snake bite us and call ourselves remaining mad and bitter because he did?

The snake keeps finding jobs, keeps producing good results, and when the snake slithered away from us things got better for him and worse for us. Man LB's VENOM JUICE CARD is lethal, at least I see how it's affecting your senses.





[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-01-2008 6:37 PM]

The only thing I have ever read that was authored by Sam Smith was the Jordan Rules. Other than that, I can't really comment on the articles you mentioned. But what I can say is that most of what was said in Smiths article has been echoed in countless newspapers in numerous cities that Brown abandoned. Check the article I posted on page 2 of this thread by Ian Thomsen. Unless you have a problem with him too.

Fables? Embellished a little? Perhaps. But definitely not fables. And as far as Brown always landing on his feet after falling from airplanes, well, the Carolina blue blood runs deep in the veins of NBA circles.

Was there a Carolina connection in Philly? Was there a Carolina connection in Detroit? Was there are Carolina connection in New York? The stories you're referencing were already known before his hiring I don't get the point you're trying to make. Is it we set our own franchise back several yrs by hiring a known Snake? Are you saying every Franchise LB has been a part of is Scott Free of blame on how they handle internal matters? Are you saying LB will only manage to eek out 23wins with the Bobcats?