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4/22/2008  5:58 PM
The idea is for Isiah to fire himself and breach his contract so then Dolan won't be on the hook for ANY of it. Does anyone think Isiah can really stay away for 3 years and refrain from doing any of the ridiculous clauses I'm sure that Dolan put in his contract?

I don't.
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4/22/2008  6:00 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea is for Isiah to fire himself and breach his contract so then Dolan won't be on the hook for ANY of it. Does anyone think Isiah can really stay away for 3 years and refrain from doing any of the ridiculous clauses I'm sure that Dolan put in his contract?

I don't.
Great, so when Dolan tries to fire Isiah with cause, we can look forward to another trial. The dysfunction of this organization never ends.
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4/22/2008  6:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea is for Isiah to fire himself and breach his contract so then Dolan won't be on the hook for ANY of it. Does anyone think Isiah can really stay away for 3 years and refrain from doing any of the ridiculous clauses I'm sure that Dolan put in his contract?

I don't.
Great, so when Dolan tries to fire Isiah with cause, we can look forward to another trial. The dysfunction of this organization never ends.

Oh well, I could care less about dysfunction now. Walsh is hired and making the decisions, that's all I'm really focused on.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea is for Isiah to fire himself and breach his contract so then Dolan won't be on the hook for ANY of it. Does anyone think Isiah can really stay away for 3 years and refrain from doing any of the ridiculous clauses I'm sure that Dolan put in his contract?

I don't.
Great, so when Dolan tries to fire Isiah with cause, we can look forward to another trial. The dysfunction of this organization never ends.

We have to remember the common denominator here. It's still Isiah. Granted it's still Dolan but this stuff never happened until Isiah got here. This reign is winding down and this is just what we are going to have to deal with. Even with Layden and the team starting to really stink, nothing like this ever happened.

If this is how we have to deal with Isiah so be it. He has proven to be a snake, crook, con-man, inept, insufficient, immature, dirty, and just plain classless. Sometimes to deal woth people like that and come out on top you have to be as dirty as them when fighting them.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 22 April 2008 18:10]
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4/22/2008  6:10 PM
Just caught Donnie "Front Man" Walsh's latest dog and pony show.

It's awesome the amount of damage control they're doing to cover up Isiah's reassignment. Putting it out, through Isola no less, that Isiah is banned from the team's facilities and Walsh coming on the radio and sitting down with the beat writers to explain Isiah's role, which the Front Man claims he doesn't even have. It's like they're desperately trying to sell you this idea that Isiah is no longer here even when he obviously is. I guess season ticket holders haven't been sending in their renewals like they thought they would.

So what is the point exactly? If he's that much of a detriment, that his simple presence is deemed a liability, then why the hell are they keeping him on and perpetuating this madness?

Even with all this damage control, they still haven't addressed the major problem with Isiah staying, which is his access and relationship with Dolan.

"Donnie, aren't you the least bit worried that Isiah will still have Dolan's ear and could go behind your back to try to get back the power that he lost? Similar to what he did to your good friend Larry Brown?
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4/22/2008  6:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea is for Isiah to fire himself and breach his contract so then Dolan won't be on the hook for ANY of it. Does anyone think Isiah can really stay away for 3 years and refrain from doing any of the ridiculous clauses I'm sure that Dolan put in his contract?

I don't.
Great, so when Dolan tries to fire Isiah with cause, we can look forward to another trial. The dysfunction of this organization never ends.

Oh well, I could care less about dysfunction now. Walsh is hired and making the decisions, that's all I'm really focused on.

Well, Walsh is hired. I agree with that part. We have no idea, though, whether Walsh, Isiah, or Dolan is the one determining the direction of the team and what kind of rebuilding will occur. Everyone here seems to think they know, even though they don't.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-22-2008 6:14 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea is for Isiah to fire himself and breach his contract so then Dolan won't be on the hook for ANY of it. Does anyone think Isiah can really stay away for 3 years and refrain from doing any of the ridiculous clauses I'm sure that Dolan put in his contract?

I don't.
Great, so when Dolan tries to fire Isiah with cause, we can look forward to another trial. The dysfunction of this organization never ends.

Oh well, I could care less about dysfunction now. Walsh is hired and making the decisions, that's all I'm really focused on.

Well, Walsh is hired. I agree with that part. We have no idea, though, whether Walsh, Isiah, or Dolan is the one determining the direction of the team and what kind of rebuilding will occur. Everyone here seems to think they know, even though they don't.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 04-22-2008 6:14 PM]

Well that's the beauty of WATCHING THINGS UNFOLD instead of making vast assumptions before things even happen. I'm willing to give things a chance, if I wasn't, then what would the point of being here be? Certainly not a whole lot.
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4/22/2008  6:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Just caught Donnie "Front Man" Walsh's latest dog and pony show.

It's awesome the amount of damage control they're doing to cover up Isiah's reassignment. Putting it out, through Isola no less, that Isiah is banned from the team's facilities and Walsh coming on the radio and sitting down with the beat writers to explain Isiah's role, which the Front Man claims he doesn't even have. It's like they're desperately trying to sell you this idea that Isiah is no longer here even when he obviously is. I guess season ticket holders haven't been sending in their renewals like they thought they would.

So what is the point exactly? If he's that much of a detriment, that his simple presence is deemed a liability, then why the hell are they keeping him on and perpetuating this madness?

Even with all this damage control, they still haven't addressed the major problem with Isiah staying, which is his access and relationship with Dolan.

"Donnie, aren't you the least bit worried that Isiah will still have Dolan's ear and could go behind your back to try to get back the power that he lost? Similar to what he did to your good friend Larry Brown?

Isles, they owe him $18 million. He has already cost Dolan $100's of millions. It's easy for us to say just fire him, but to use the resurrected earl's favorite line, with a twist,-with all due respect-"it ain't our money".

It's easy for us to say just give him the $18 mil. When I last checked, bosses don't like to give out 2 years worth of severance for a piss poor job.
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4/22/2008  6:19 PM
Posted by eViL:

Who the F cares anymore? I was pissed they didn't outright fire Isiah too. But now that I've simmered down: what is the point to even caring about the latest off-court drama? Isn't it all about the product on the floor? Isn't it about how the team performs? Draft night and the Free Agency period will be our first glimpse into the most important aspect to the Donnie Walsh era. Until then, what can anyone really say, with any level of certainty, when it comes to what's relevant to Knicks basketball?

We have no idea what is next for the Knicks. Sure, if the current actions of the new regime show us anything -- it's that Dolan still has his fingerprints all over the way certain personnel issues are handled. This Isiah situation is eerily similar to the Larry Brown situation. However, so far, there has been nothing done by the Knicks that show any direction, positive or negative, when it comes to basketball.

Yeah, but you gotta understand that a lot of people around here are addicted to drama and gossiping, many of the things they accuse Knick management of, so I can see why some are manufacturing anger and are hyperventilating over this. I'll be generous and say this is a by product of years of Knick dysfunction.

Now am I completely comfortable with Zeke hanging around in any capacity? Not particularly, but I'm not going to let the decision to not fire him consume me completely. Unless it starts to bare fruit in any tangible way, I consider the Zeke era closed, at least psychologically, and I'm gearing up for a productive off-season. Enough of this 'ish.



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4/22/2008  6:22 PM
If isiah is in the organization than he is calling the shots.
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4/22/2008  6:23 PM
Posted by Vmart:

If isiah is in the organization than he is calling the shots.

So he banned himself from talking to players and from the practice facility?
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4/22/2008  6:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Donnie Walsh is Dolan's puppet. Isiah is being kept on because Dolan wants his buddy here. Dolan told Donnie to keep Isiah and Donnie said "Yes sir!".

If Walsh thinks Isiah would be that much of a distraction, where he would have to go to such a drastic step as ban him from having any contact with the players or coaches, then why keep him around at all? It's absolutely insane.

And the changing of the media policy, along with the culture of the team, is total bull****. Nothing has or will change. Dolan is still ruling with an iron fist and the organization is as paranoid as ever. Interviews are still being monitored, information is still being leaked and news is still being released with the sole intention of lessening the negative backlash (Walsh is introduced while Isiah and the beat writers are on a road trip while Isiah's reassignment is announced after 5pm on a Friday).

Aren't you jumping th e gun a bit? I want Isiah gone as much as anybody else (and I have for as long as I can remember) but we are talking about a guy who is two weeks into his new job. This was not going to be some overnight job we all agreed to that. I would hold hope that they ae making arrangements for him to go quietly with most if not all his money just to help save Dolan's face. I am not saying I believe this a 100%, but its certainly a possibility.
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4/22/2008  6:42 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

Just caught Donnie "Front Man" Walsh's latest dog and pony show.

It's awesome the amount of damage control they're doing to cover up Isiah's reassignment. Putting it out, through Isola no less, that Isiah is banned from the team's facilities and Walsh coming on the radio and sitting down with the beat writers to explain Isiah's role, which the Front Man claims he doesn't even have. It's like they're desperately trying to sell you this idea that Isiah is no longer here even when he obviously is. I guess season ticket holders haven't been sending in their renewals like they thought they would.

So what is the point exactly? If he's that much of a detriment, that his simple presence is deemed a liability, then why the hell are they keeping him on and perpetuating this madness?

Even with all this damage control, they still haven't addressed the major problem with Isiah staying, which is his access and relationship with Dolan.

"Donnie, aren't you the least bit worried that Isiah will still have Dolan's ear and could go behind your back to try to get back the power that he lost? Similar to what he did to your good friend Larry Brown?

Isles, they owe him $18 million. He has already cost Dolan $100's of millions. It's easy for us to say just fire him, but to use the resurrected earl's favorite line, with a twist,-with all due respect-"it ain't our money".

It's easy for us to say just give him the $18 mil. When I last checked, bosses don't like to give out 2 years worth of severance for a piss poor job.

So Dolan is going to get all cheap about $18M now? Besides, that money is gone, history. So the only concern should be what is best for the franchise. Isiah staying isn't it. That's not even debatable.
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4/22/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Vmart:

If isiah is in the organization than he is calling the shots.

So he banned himself from talking to players and from the practice facility?

When you're that much of a pariah, it's best to hide from the media. There was no way Isiah was going to go near the players or facility since that's where the media congregates.

At a time like this, Isiah is going to do what snakes do best. Hide in the grass until he's ready to strike.
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4/22/2008  7:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Vmart:

If isiah is in the organization than he is calling the shots.

So he banned himself from talking to players and from the practice facility?

When you're that much of a pariah, it's best to hide from the media. There was no way Isiah was going to go near the players or facility since that's where the media congregates.

At a time like this, Isiah is going to do what snakes do best. Hide in the grass until he's ready to strike.


If he's a Gardner Snake well maybe we won't have to fret. If he's a Brown Snake, Black Mamba, Coral, Cobra, Rattler, yeah it could prove lethal.
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4/22/2008  7:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

Just caught Donnie "Front Man" Walsh's latest dog and pony show.

It's awesome the amount of damage control they're doing to cover up Isiah's reassignment. Putting it out, through Isola no less, that Isiah is banned from the team's facilities and Walsh coming on the radio and sitting down with the beat writers to explain Isiah's role, which the Front Man claims he doesn't even have. It's like they're desperately trying to sell you this idea that Isiah is no longer here even when he obviously is. I guess season ticket holders haven't been sending in their renewals like they thought they would.

So what is the point exactly? If he's that much of a detriment, that his simple presence is deemed a liability, then why the hell are they keeping him on and perpetuating this madness?

Even with all this damage control, they still haven't addressed the major problem with Isiah staying, which is his access and relationship with Dolan.

"Donnie, aren't you the least bit worried that Isiah will still have Dolan's ear and could go behind your back to try to get back the power that he lost? Similar to what he did to your good friend Larry Brown?

Isles, they owe him $18 million. He has already cost Dolan $100's of millions. It's easy for us to say just fire him, but to use the resurrected earl's favorite line, with a twist,-with all due respect-"it ain't our money".

It's easy for us to say just give him the $18 mil. When I last checked, bosses don't like to give out 2 years worth of severance for a piss poor job.

So Dolan is going to get all cheap about $18M now? Besides, that money is gone, history. So the only concern should be what is best for the franchise. Isiah staying isn't it. That's not even debatable.

Exactly; it's a sunk cost.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

Just caught Donnie "Front Man" Walsh's latest dog and pony show.

It's awesome the amount of damage control they're doing to cover up Isiah's reassignment. Putting it out, through Isola no less, that Isiah is banned from the team's facilities and Walsh coming on the radio and sitting down with the beat writers to explain Isiah's role, which the Front Man claims he doesn't even have. It's like they're desperately trying to sell you this idea that Isiah is no longer here even when he obviously is. I guess season ticket holders haven't been sending in their renewals like they thought they would.

So what is the point exactly? If he's that much of a detriment, that his simple presence is deemed a liability, then why the hell are they keeping him on and perpetuating this madness?

Even with all this damage control, they still haven't addressed the major problem with Isiah staying, which is his access and relationship with Dolan.

"Donnie, aren't you the least bit worried that Isiah will still have Dolan's ear and could go behind your back to try to get back the power that he lost? Similar to what he did to your good friend Larry Brown?

Isles, they owe him $18 million. He has already cost Dolan $100's of millions. It's easy for us to say just fire him, but to use the resurrected earl's favorite line, with a twist,-with all due respect-"it ain't our money".

It's easy for us to say just give him the $18 mil. When I last checked, bosses don't like to give out 2 years worth of severance for a piss poor job.

So Dolan is going to get all cheap about $18M now? Besides, that money is gone, history. So the only concern should be what is best for the franchise. Isiah staying isn't it. That's not even debatable.

Exactly; it's a sunk cost.

While that's a fact I can't argue, why let him go when he may have a skill you may be able to use (scouting)? Why give him all of his money when he is fully qualified to scrub a toilet and change a urinal cake-as long as he isn't the one that is in charge of acquiring said urinal cake.

Seriously, I have no problem with Dolan wanting to make Isiah earn his money. I am going to give Walsh the benefit of the doubt until I see what his plan is. I am not defending, I am just saying I'm willing to wait and see.
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4/22/2008  7:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Vmart:

If isiah is in the organization than he is calling the shots.

So he banned himself from talking to players and from the practice facility?

When you're that much of a pariah, it's best to hide from the media. There was no way Isiah was going to go near the players or facility since that's where the media congregates.

At a time like this, Isiah is going to do what snakes do best. Hide in the grass until he's ready to strike.
Hide from the media?!? And instead deal with the embarrassment that comes with being perceived as being "forbidden from the team"?
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4/22/2008  8:02 PM
The fact that they have to put this story out there and get their Front Man to do another dog and pony show with the media, shows how completely stupid it is to keep Isiah around.

Fact: If Walsh had just fired Isiah, there wouldn't be a Knick fan out there who wouldn't be ready to move forward with a clean slate. Instead, they have to keep defending a completely illogical decision.

It's not a leap to think that there's something else going on, other than what they're trying so desperately to make it appear to seem. That's the problem with keeping Isiah.
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4/22/2008  8:06 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by islesfan:

Just caught Donnie "Front Man" Walsh's latest dog and pony show.

It's awesome the amount of damage control they're doing to cover up Isiah's reassignment. Putting it out, through Isola no less, that Isiah is banned from the team's facilities and Walsh coming on the radio and sitting down with the beat writers to explain Isiah's role, which the Front Man claims he doesn't even have. It's like they're desperately trying to sell you this idea that Isiah is no longer here even when he obviously is. I guess season ticket holders haven't been sending in their renewals like they thought they would.

So what is the point exactly? If he's that much of a detriment, that his simple presence is deemed a liability, then why the hell are they keeping him on and perpetuating this madness?

Even with all this damage control, they still haven't addressed the major problem with Isiah staying, which is his access and relationship with Dolan.

"Donnie, aren't you the least bit worried that Isiah will still have Dolan's ear and could go behind your back to try to get back the power that he lost? Similar to what he did to your good friend Larry Brown?

Isles, they owe him $18 million. He has already cost Dolan $100's of millions. It's easy for us to say just fire him, but to use the resurrected earl's favorite line, with a twist,-with all due respect-"it ain't our money".

It's easy for us to say just give him the $18 mil. When I last checked, bosses don't like to give out 2 years worth of severance for a piss poor job.

So Dolan is going to get all cheap about $18M now? Besides, that money is gone, history. So the only concern should be what is best for the franchise. Isiah staying isn't it. That's not even debatable.

Exactly; it's a sunk cost.

While that's a fact I can't argue, why let him go when he may have a skill you may be able to use (scouting)? Why give him all of his money when he is fully qualified to scrub a toilet and change a urinal cake-as long as he isn't the one that is in charge of acquiring said urinal cake.

Seriously, I have no problem with Dolan wanting to make Isiah earn his money. I am going to give Walsh the benefit of the doubt until I see what his plan is. I am not defending, I am just saying I'm willing to wait and see.

By that logic, why should anyone ever be fired?
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