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4/22/2008  9:36 AM
yeah I know that should be the purpose of his interview with Walsh, press however write it up as if it his job to lose.
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4/22/2008  10:07 AM
kby - who cares what the press thinks?

The press had one agenda and one agenda alone - to sell papers. The quality of their so-called reporting is poorly researched, sloppily written and mostly devoid of original thinking. Piss them off in an interview or press conference and the tone is set in stone. If you depend on the press to form your opinions that is a low down cryin' shame.

I'd rather listen to MJ's colleagues, mentors and associates:

"He has a good feel for the game, how it should be played... and there's something else - he knows how to handle people."

"He's not going to come in and change the world," he said. "He needs good players. He knows the NBA inside, outside... He's observed a lot of people: players, coaches, GMs. He'd be an excellent choice. ... He breathes basketball."

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That's good enough for me



[Edited by - misterearl on 04-22-2008 10:11 AM]
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4/22/2008  10:32 AM
Posted by misterearl:

The Bell Curve

bonn - please don't confuse my loyalty (or optimism) as a Knicks fan, with giving free passes or outrageous grades (?) to anyone, including Isiah Thomas.

I want the same thing you want - entertaining (preferably fast breakish), unselfish and winning Knicks basketball.

I don't care who is signing the checks, on the sidelines or hitting the open man.

just win baby

What grade were you giving Isiah Thomas just three months ago? (If you say anything less than B, no one will believe you!)
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4/22/2008  10:33 AM
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Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Loves Slow Pitch Softball

Q. bonn - What grade would you give Isiah for his 4 years?

A. Piece of cake. F. Next question.

Here's an even slower pitch:

What grade would you have given Isiah after his first 3 years?

Oh, you beat me to it!
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4/22/2008  10:41 AM
The Answer Man Never Goes Negative

Bonn - if you can find one ounce of documented evidence where I gave Isiah Thomas a grade of B this season - I will crawl on all fours, kiss your dirty bare feet, buy you dinner at a restaurant of your choice, send you a Knicks 1973 white warmup jacket autographed by Walt Frazier and immediately resign from this message board permanently, effective the instant you can prove your ficticious claim.

If your day is made more satisfying by trying to erode my impeccable record on the critical issues, please ... knock yourself out.

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4/22/2008  11:29 AM
just use the search function bonn
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4/22/2008  11:30 AM
Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Never Goes Negative

Bonn - if you can find one ounce of documented evidence where I gave Isiah Thomas a grade of B this season - I will crawl on all fours, kiss your dirty bare feet, buy you dinner at a restaurant of your choice, send you a Knicks 1973 white warmup jacket autographed by Walt Frazier and immediately resign from this message board permanently, effective the instant you can prove your ficticious claim.

If your day is made more satisfying by trying to erode my impeccable record on the critical issues, please ... knock yourself out.
So you won't answer the question?
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4/22/2008  11:50 AM
The Answer Man Testifies Before the (cough) Grand Jury

SFX: Law and Order "bah-dumm"

Q. bonn - What grade were you giving Isiah Thomas just three months ago?

A. I have no recollection of giving Isiah Thomas ANY grade three months ago (which was January btw) and I did not have sex with that woman.

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-22-2008 11:53 AM]
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4/22/2008  5:55 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The Answer Man Testifies Before the (cough) Grand Jury

SFX: Law and Order "bah-dumm"

Q. bonn - What grade were you giving Isiah Thomas just three months ago?

A. I have no recollection of giving Isiah Thomas ANY grade three months ago (which was January btw) and I did not have sex with that woman.

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-22-2008 11:53 AM]

No, 3 months ago you were still in hiding. You talked all tough up through the first week of the season, like you have all throughout Isiah's tenure, defending him like he was paying you to, and then you disappeared like the fair weather fan that you are. When you came back with the season already blown up, you left behind all your previous bluster (how did that "Obviously the Knicks are going to make the playoffs, so what's the problem" work out?) and starting acting like you were calling for change all along. Right.
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4/22/2008  7:24 PM
Posted by Panos:

When did Mark Jackson ever report to camp in shape?

So Mark Jackson, who was never in shape:

Was rookie of the year in a run and gun offense,
Was an all-star as a second year player in a run and gun offense,
Led the NBA in assists with the run and gun Denver Nuggets,
Played 17 years in the NBA mostly as a starter, and averaged 30 minutes per game,
Is 12th all-time in games played,
Is second all-time in assists,
Developed a post-up style that caused the NBA changed the rules (Posting up must be easy!).

All I can say is: WOW!, if Mr. Jackson managed to accomplish all of that (and more!) for 17 years in the NBA while out of shape, he must be the smartest man to ever don an NBA uniform!

A guy as smart as that should be coaching the Knicks!


Another lucky circumstance is that coaching does not require that one be in good shape!

***

I wonder what your take is on Jackson's leadership, winning ways, and understanding of the game? Not to mention his good standing as a citizen and the respect he garners from players present and past? I think it would be pretty hard to poke holes in that, so let's talk about the one season in his career he reported to camp out of shape:

Mark Jackson 1989-1990 29.6 .437 .267 .727 1.30 2.60 3.90 7.4 1.33 .05 2.57 1.50 9.9

WOW! 10 points, 7.5 assists, 1.3 steal, 4 rebounds in just under 30 minutes...all the while he was out of shape.

Incredible!

Did you realize that David Lee reported to camp out of shape this year? It was Mr Lee's 3rd year, just like the one year of his career Jackson reported to camp out of shape. The only difference is that Jackson had already accomplished rookie of the year and all-star status by that point. I must have missed your decrying Mr. Lee.

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4/22/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Mark Jackson is a mistake, he has the same odor as bringing in Stephon Marbury. I'm not that excited for bringing in a local. I want the best possible candidate, and right now Mark isn't the best candidate because he has no coaching experience. He would be well served to spend a year or two learning coaching as an assistant.

[Edited by - Vmart on 04-21-2008 09:48 AM]

WOW! Mark Jackson equals Marbury!? Well, I guess we can make that comparison if we strip Jackson of all his personal and team success, and turn him into a nutcase who most everybody dislikes. I guess they are both from New York, except one is one of the biggest underachievers of his time, and the other one one of the biggest overachievers.

C'mon V-Mart, you're better than that!

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P.S. Look at what Carlisle did in Indiana, he sucked! And even though he got screwed by Dumars, nobody on that championship team cried for the loss of Carlisle.

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[Edited by - oohah on 22-04-2008 7:29 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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4/23/2008  8:07 AM
oohah - what you said

Your past two posts were well-researched and thoroughly entertaining analysis on Mark Jackson's "conditioning" and personality credentials. For VMart to equate one of the most intelligent basketball players in history (Jackson) with Stephon Marbury, is an obtuse perspective that I find confusing and difficult to comprehend.

The Panos statement about Marbury not coming to camp in shape is about as silly as it gets, when you consider his productivity and longevity as an elite professional athlete.

And yes, we talkin' bout practice.
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4/23/2008  9:44 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232008/sports/knicks/bird__jackson_a_good_fit_for_knicks_107657.htm


"Bird coached Jackson for all three of his years as Indiana's head coach after Walsh hired him with no prior head-coaching experience. Jackson led Bird's Pacers to the 2000 Finals. "I always thought he'd be a good coach and he helped me out tremendously," Bird said. "When we had the lockout year, he kept guys together. He led the charge. He knew what was going on. He came over to me in the huddle and would tell me what play he thought we could run. Mark will be well-equipped to run an NBA team. I always knew he'd probably be a coach one day. (Walsh) won't be afraid to pull the trigger on a guy with no experience.""

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I'll bet every man that has coached Mark Jackson since he played for Bishop Loughlin in Brooklyn will say something similar to what Larry Bird said

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4/23/2008  9:53 AM
Speaking of the NBA Finals, when Jackson led that Pacers team to the finals, I remember him posting up Kobe Bryant several times and straight-up taking him to school. I remember him doing it to Jason Kidd many times as well. Gary Payton too. Name a guard, even the best defensive players of the past 10-15 years, and know that Jackson abused him in the post. Sometimes small-forwards as well. We should all remember him eating up Charlie Ward and Chris Childs game after game.

What a smart PG! Because they had to start doubling Jackson, guys like Dale Davis and Antonio Daniels looked like good offensive players. Not to mention how Rik Smits became an offensive force with Jackson setting him up. Just go ask Reggie Miller what he thinks of Mark Jackson's basketball intellect.

How many players have caused rules to be changed because they dominate a certain aspect of the game? The list is short my friends. Jackson turned what people thought to be a weakness into a strength, and lengthened his career at the same time.

Now just imagine that we had a coach who sized up the team, the competition and the current state of the NBA and said: Here is what we can exploit to our advantage, here is what we must minimize because it is our weakness, and here is an offensive scheme that plays to our strengths, instead of a coach that says: "Square peg, please meet round hole.".

Please Mark Jackson, please be our coach!

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4/23/2008  10:16 AM
Toughness

oohah - it is also interesting to note the reports that cite a major reason Mark Jackson's Indiana interview did not go as planned was because he refused to report to two people. He understood a direct line of accountability is always preferable in business and stood his ground, to the dismay of Walsh who already had Bird firmly in the mix.

Change the game indeed

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4/23/2008  10:24 AM
I'm drawing a blank....what rule did Mark Jackson cause to change?
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4/23/2008  10:26 AM
nevermind....I remembered. The backdown rule.
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4/24/2008  8:41 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Toughness

oohah - it is also interesting to note the reports that cite a major reason Mark Jackson's Indiana interview did not go as planned was because he refused to report to two people. He understood a direct line of accountability is always preferable in business and stood his ground, to the dismay of Walsh who already had Bird firmly in the mix.

Change the game indeed

oohah you rock

I don't think many people would understand how happy it would make me if Mark Jackson became coach. Nobody would be happier than me. He is 100% my favorite player of all time! Because he made it happen with brains and he was all about making his teammates better.

%^@$! Knicks traded him for %^@$! Charles Smith of all people, and we haven't had a real floor general since, and watching the Knicks offense has been akin to stabbing yourself in the eyes with a red-hot poker for 16 years!

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4/24/2008  9:46 AM
Suddenly I have this strong urge to be against hiring Jackson.
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4/24/2008  9:59 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Panos:

When did Mark Jackson ever report to camp in shape?

So Mark Jackson, who was never in shape:

Was rookie of the year in a run and gun offense,
Was an all-star as a second year player in a run and gun offense,
Led the NBA in assists with the run and gun Denver Nuggets,
Played 17 years in the NBA mostly as a starter, and averaged 30 minutes per game,
Is 12th all-time in games played,
Is second all-time in assists,
Developed a post-up style that caused the NBA changed the rules (Posting up must be easy!).

All I can say is: WOW!, if Mr. Jackson managed to accomplish all of that (and more!) for 17 years in the NBA while out of shape, he must be the smartest man to ever don an NBA uniform!

A guy as smart as that should be coaching the Knicks!


Another lucky circumstance is that coaching does not require that one be in good shape!

***

I wonder what your take is on Jackson's leadership, winning ways, and understanding of the game? Not to mention his good standing as a citizen and the respect he garners from players present and past? I think it would be pretty hard to poke holes in that, so let's talk about the one season in his career he reported to camp out of shape:

Mark Jackson 1989-1990 29.6 .437 .267 .727 1.30 2.60 3.90 7.4 1.33 .05 2.57 1.50 9.9

WOW! 10 points, 7.5 assists, 1.3 steal, 4 rebounds in just under 30 minutes...all the while he was out of shape.

Incredible!

Did you realize that David Lee reported to camp out of shape this year? It was Mr Lee's 3rd year, just like the one year of his career Jackson reported to camp out of shape. The only difference is that Jackson had already accomplished rookie of the year and all-star status by that point. I must have missed your decrying Mr. Lee.

oohah


All purely offensive arguments. Why don't you show me some defensive statistics?
Why not? Cause Jackson couldn't guard a statue. That's why he got run out of town
cause opposing guards ran circles around him. And this is because he not only reported
to camp out of shape, he stayed there all year long. Since our players are not motivated
enough to stay conditioned of their own volition, we need a coach that will stress that.
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