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ramtour420
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3/21/2008  11:45 AM
Just thought i'd say this, i do like Obama more than Hillary and i'll tell u why. America needs a change, thats obvious, maybe the more change the better. And i am not talking about changing to a woman president or changing to a black one, I am talking about changing the foreign and domestic policies, maybe not getting into stupid wars and changing the way America is viewed by the rest of the world. Now lets just see who fits the bill better. Obama, who seemingly is defiant of the way the public perceives him for his ideas even if they seem wrong or non patriotic or not very "politically correct", not wearing the pin, not holding his hand over his heart while reciting the pledge to the flag, wanting to talk to the leaders of countries that US has a problem with- those things sound like a nice change from how things are ran in America today. Now Hillary is definately a smart, calculating and savvy politician. Voting for the war in order not to put her career in jepardy -check. Being the largest recepient of drug companies in congress - check. Running compaign ads based of fear tactics -check. Supporting NAFTA to outsource American jobs -check. Now while those things characterize her as a smart politician they also show that she is very simular to the other politicians , which i think is not a good thing this election
As far as experience goes here is an analogy. Lets say u want to put new tile in your bathroom. a contractor comes for an estimate, and tells you that he has tons of experience of working with tile installers, helping them, meeting with people, and shows you his daily organizer from last year to prove it. When you ask if he has ever done a tile job himself he tells you "nah, not really". Well i think Hillary doesn't have any more experience of being the president then my sad contractor friend. Since she was so active as a First Lady it makes me think that she might have used that position to beef up her resume a bit in case she ever has to run for president. Nothing more and nothing less. Obama was a senator for 1 year, she was a senator for 2 years- thats all the experience thats relavant imho.
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3/21/2008  4:44 PM
I, or anyone can bring you a world of information on the woman, and still you will 'NEVER' be convinced either way of what she's had to go through to get to where she is. So what would be the point of providing it? She would never have a platform like Mr. Clean does, because Mr. Clean has no record, good or bad. How convenient. But hey' good for him anyway, so I'm not gonna rip on him. This is not my point.

I warned that if anyone wants to bring up any of the things that percieves her as being some kind of monster, some kind of far left or far right winger, you better be fair in what you say about each and every charge you make of her, because it is not' the way you are making it out to be. If' and when she does' become President of the United States, only then will I judge her on how she handles all of the situations, she (or he) will face on all fronts. If she (he) fails, then I will no longer support them.

There are four reasons I support her. One is obvious. Her vast political experience (and mind you as a lawyer), which goes back almost thirty years.

Two: What she's been put through (yes') because she is a woman and what she has had to become to get to where she is today.

Three: Because of what she already tried' to do to help social development.

And four: Because she has survived it all! You gotta admire that.

She tried to make change and got grief for it. I know that much about her and I believe she is still the same person she was before

I guurantee you, that if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd all be up here doing what I'm doing. No doubt.
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3/21/2008  7:07 PM
Look at Hillary and Obama's record to Ron Paul's and you'll see neither of them are better than Ron Paul and what he wants to do if President (btw, Ron Paul is STILL in the race):

Paul has been described as conservative, Constitutionalist, and libertarian. He advocates a foreign policy of nonintervention, having voted against actions such as the Iraq War Resolution, but in favor of force against terrorists in Afghanistan. He favors withdrawal from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the United Nations, citing the dangers of foreign entanglements to national sovereignty. Having pledged never to raise taxes, he has long advocated ending the federal income tax, scaling back government spending, abolishing most federal agencies, and removing military bases and troops from foreign soil; he favors hard money and opposes the Federal Reserve. He also opposes the Patriot Act, the federal War on Drugs, No Child Left Behind, and gun control. Paul is strongly pro-life, and has introduced bills to negate Roe v. Wade, but affirms states' rights to regulate or ban abortion, rather than federal jurisdiction.
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3/22/2008  3:02 AM
honestly i might have heard of Ron Paul like once or twice and every one of his views that you listed seems right on point, i'd support someone like that in a heartbeat. Too bad he isn't going anywhere since his name never even gets mentioned.
As far as responding to 4949, your #2 and#4 poins seem redundant, but i agree with both she is a shrewed politician who knows how to get her way. As far as helping social development i don't know much but i know(from rolling stone) she supported a notorious bankruptcy bill that aided big creditors. I also know she was for NaFTA which took away a huge amount of jobs from Americans.
and lastly, her big "trump card" her countless years in, around and about the white house. all those meetings, all that vast political experince what did it translate to in her 2 years as senator? i can't think of anything, there are prolly things but nothing that she talked about so i assume there isn't much. And if she does win , i suspect her term will go down in history,at best, as one of the most useless and idle presidents ever, she'll just ride the wave of success on behelf of all the American women and try not to screw up so that she wouldn't go down in the history as a biggest embarasment to professional women.
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3/22/2008  9:05 AM
Posted by 4949:

I knew you'd say that, so I got a good come back for ya. You and I and everyone in the whole world knows that this woman didn't just sit around in an office all day playing with her thumbs. She's been very active in her husbands campaigns and has met a lot of lot of people. She has the proof, she has the records to show it.

Why in today's NYPost it was reported that there are welll over 11,000 documents to show that she was active all over the world, when the Bill-Monica thing was going down. Those where papers presented to show that she wasn't a part of a conspiracy that bush's henchmen, Ken Star was out to get them. He tried to pull her into his mess and today, there it is. In black and white. Proof that she was very active as First Lady.

I'm starting to think this isn't going to convince you either that she has experience, is it?

4949 - Did you say "active all over the world?" At least one document places Hillary IN the White House while Bill and Monica were playing around in another room. If she doesn't know how to protect herself from mischief happening under the same roof, how's she going to protect the country from mischief?



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3/22/2008  11:42 AM
Posted by misterearl:
Posted by 4949:

I knew you'd say that, so I got a good come back for ya. You and I and everyone in the whole world knows that this woman didn't just sit around in an office all day playing with her thumbs. She's been very active in her husbands campaigns and has met a lot of lot of people. She has the proof, she has the records to show it.

Why in today's NYPost it was reported that there are welll over 11,000 documents to show that she was active all over the world, when the Bill-Monica thing was going down. Those where papers presented to show that she wasn't a part of a conspiracy that bush's henchmen, Ken Star was out to get them. He tried to pull her into his mess and today, there it is. In black and white. Proof that she was very active as First Lady.

I'm starting to think this isn't going to convince you either that she has experience, is it?

4949 - Did you say "active all over the world?" At least one document places Hillary IN the White House while Bill and Monica were playing around in another room. If she doesn't know how to protect herself from mischief happening under the same roof, how's she going to protect the country from mischief?

lol, you are blaming and placing responsibility for the monica thing on Hilary? Good one man.
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3/22/2008  12:07 PM
There are four reasons I support her. One is obvious. Her vast political experience (and mind you as a lawyer), which goes back almost thirty years.

Two: What she's been put through (yes') because she is a woman and what she has had to become to get to where she is today.

Three: Because of what she already tried' to do to help social development.

And four: Because she has survived it all! You gotta admire that.

She tried to make change and got grief for it. I know that much about her and I believe she is still the same person she was before

I guurantee you, that if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd all be up here doing what I'm doing. No doubt.



what she's been put through? already tried social development? because she survived it all? i don't mean to offend but those are all bogus reasons to support somebody. obama as a black man in the US has been had just a difficult road of trial and error, and of survival, than hillary. and to tell you the truth, the fact that she was smeared by bill like she was and is still with the guy is embarassing.
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3/22/2008  6:39 PM
It Ain't My Fault

martin - nowhere did i blame Hillary for Monica. You need to work on your reading comprehension abilities. What is suggested she needed work on were her skills of awareness. Especially for certain (cough) matters under the same White House roof.

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3/22/2008  6:40 PM
Thank goodness Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland.
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3/22/2008  9:46 PM
Posted by misterearl:

It Ain't My Fault

martin - nowhere did i blame Hillary for Monica. You need to work on your reading comprehension abilities. What is suggested she needed work on were her skills of awareness. Especially for certain (cough) matters under the same White House roof.

excellent. I'll work on my reading techniques will you work on your sense and sensibilities. How is Hillary supposed to know about oral sex and cigar twirling happening in another room? Oh wait, I know, Bill wanted to make sure everyone within a room's distance understood that he was getting his **** sucked and moaned in DElight and maybe threw out a "Monica, suck it GOOD baby" once or twice while knocking on the wall morsecode style to his real beloved. And that one document that places Hillary in the House makes me feel all tingly inside about her capabilities to protect the country from mischief. That's clear and concrete enough for me and absolutely the right conclusion.
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3/22/2008  11:19 PM
ew (lol) Martin - you nasty

The Clinton's thought it would be a coronation and they were wrong. I hope Hillary does a better job with the federal budget than she did with her dwindling campaign budget.

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