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simrud
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3/19/2008  7:00 PM
TheloniusMonk, thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it.

Could you post some links to Wrights relations with the Jewish community, I'd like to check that out.
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I was under the impression that the quotes were taken from DVD recordings, not people spying on his church. There are defeinetly problems with that church. Those quotes are clearly anti-American and anti-white. The church has a black code system of values and that seems plain un-Christian. The fact that the church backs him up suggests that it's part of the culture not just isolated comments from Rev Wright. The fact that Obama has been going there for years suggests though doesn't prove that he accepts that. I would never go to a church or have my kids exposed to a church that I had major philosophical differences with. The fact that his wife doesn't think this country has done anything worthwhile except for supporting her husband and feels she will aways be oppressed by whitey is concerning. When arguaby the 2 largest influences in Obama's life are racially focused, I'd be hard pressed to say Obama doesn't subscribe to this too.
Posted by EnySpree:

Just when you thought it was all gravy......race card finally shows its ugly head.

Obama goes to a church that he has been a part of for 20 years, the pastor married him and his wife......anyway say you guys probably know.....the pastor has said some racially insensitive remarks. I guess Playa or somebody could post them for me.....

I'm posting this because this smear campaign can potentially destroy the best candidates chances becoming our president.

I'm listening to 1010 wins right now......the media is reporting on it, but they always have to put their spin and give predictions.....people are easily influenced by this jargin.

I just think its sad. They went into church and recorded this guy....the spin is if Obama is such a long time member, he must agree with the comments......I guess you can look at it that way.....but CNN and C-span run the clips like its Hitler saying the stuff and implying that Obama is some kinda hate monger. The dude is just as white as he is black.
The media keeps saying he won't be able to shake this, and I agree. Its just sad.

Any thoughts on this?

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3/19/2008  7:11 PM
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Posted by EnySpree:


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3/19/2008  7:20 PM
Well for one I should have said his connections to various rabbi's instead of the "community". I will try my best to find links online but I moreso know about such things based on people that I have met thru him (some of them rabbis). I do know that during his retirement service Cornel West spoke and for those who don't know Dr West is actually represented by all jewish guys. If people want to talk about a connection it would be between those two Illinois guys....Rev Dr Wright and Dr Cornell West. I believe Dr West has an entire book about "the black/jewish relationship".....the good, the bad, the parallels and the things that need "work". He's given those lectures AT Trinity. I know this because the first time I ever even heard of Dr West was at Trinity. I feel the guy is brilliant. Dr West and Rev Dr Wright quote each other extensively.

To be honest, when I look online for things dealing with Rev Dr Wright I mainly find other people speaking about him. And many are conspiracy theorists. It's hard man. They are definitely running him thru the political machine. But he's not a politician. His ministry is geared toward injustice.

Off topic (but on) maybe Obama was attracted to the church because of the strong message about injustice but also the black history angle. If you look in the scriptures (Jewish, Christian and Muslim alike) will notice that the family tree is constant. 100 years after Abraham they'd say "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob". They make references to Moses way after Moses' death. Of course I am sure they had Israelistes and that society who took the approach "man, that's the past! why do we have to keep mention Abraham and the slave history of Moses etc?". But it is important for a people to not only KNOW their history but know the things that will make them PROUD to be who they are. Jewish children learn jewish history pertaining to all the people who came before them and made it possible for them to be who they are today. This happens for many ethnicities. On the other hand little black children are mainly taught the history of America (mainly the white side) and black history is either not taught at all or is looked at as marginal. In fact there should only be one history...not history, then black history. So people like the Re Dr Jeremiah Wright has programs at the church where African American's can learn THEIR history and about the things that would make US proud. Howard Thurman, DuBois and all the way back to the royal kings of Africa. Things to be proud of in a society that marginalizes your history. Some say "that's seperatism". But I am of the opinion that it is not. Any young black child can name you 5 great composers from Europe (Mozart, Beethovan, Bach, Chopin and maybe Handel) but cannot tell you ONE composer from their homeland. To me, it is imperative for a young person (no matter what race) to be able to be proud of the lineage they come from. Trust me, we (as black people) learn TONS about the heros of Europe and the heros right here in America who happened to be white. Tons. Nothing wrong with balance. That's my opinion anyway
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3/19/2008  7:27 PM
Posted by bitty41:

4949,

With every post your making my orginal assertation about you is just made stronger.
I don't care about the war, because first of all, 80% of the forces voted for your boy Bush in the last election. So go figure. Plus, I don't know anyone who's over there anyway and anyone I know who goes, well' good luck!

Tell that to the 4,462 who now have lost a daughter, son, wife, husband, brother, and sister. Or to the 1,189,173 Iraqis families who have lost a loved one.

You got it wrong with me. I said I don't give two craps about the war. I didn't say I wanted anyone killed. I just don't care about the war anymore. It's too depressing. And those stats you put up don't help none.
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3/19/2008  7:28 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I was under the impression that the quotes were taken from DVD recordings, not people spying on his church. There are defeinetly problems with that church. Those quotes are clearly anti-American and anti-white. The church has a black code system of values and that seems plain un-Christian. The fact that the church backs him up suggests that it's part of the culture not just isolated comments from Rev Wright. The fact that Obama has been going there for years suggests though doesn't prove that he accepts that. I would never go to a church or have my kids exposed to a church that I had major philosophical differences with. The fact that his wife doesn't think this country has done anything worthwhile except for supporting her husband and feels she will aways be oppressed by whitey is concerning. When arguaby the 2 largest influences in Obama's life are racially focused, I'd be hard pressed to say Obama doesn't subscribe to this too.
Posted by EnySpree:

Just when you thought it was all gravy......race card finally shows its ugly head.

Obama goes to a church that he has been a part of for 20 years, the pastor married him and his wife......anyway say you guys probably know.....the pastor has said some racially insensitive remarks. I guess Playa or somebody could post them for me.....

I'm posting this because this smear campaign can potentially destroy the best candidates chances becoming our president.

I'm listening to 1010 wins right now......the media is reporting on it, but they always have to put their spin and give predictions.....people are easily influenced by this jargin.

I just think its sad. They went into church and recorded this guy....the spin is if Obama is such a long time member, he must agree with the comments......I guess you can look at it that way.....but CNN and C-span run the clips like its Hitler saying the stuff and implying that Obama is some kinda hate monger. The dude is just as white as he is black.
The media keeps saying he won't be able to shake this, and I agree. Its just sad.

Any thoughts on this?

When you get the chance look up "liberation theology". This will help you better understand the black church. Liberation theology oes back to Jesus and the oppressed people whom his ministry took direct connection to. Jesus said he was there to restore sight to the blind and preach to the poor. The people who wee poor, oppressed, spat upon and forgotten about were told by Jesus "the meek shall inherit the earth" and said about the political upperclass who were oppressing them "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven". Those words were to give "self-worth" to the oppressed. Liberation theology goes way back to Moses' "Let my people go". Check it out. It's totally NOT un-Christian
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3/19/2008  7:30 PM
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Posted by 4949:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by 4949:

You really are stupid. I just said I cared about universal health care and the economy. Those are two issues right there. You'd like' me to sound ignorant so you can rip into me. Nice try.

I don't care about the war, because first of all, 80% of the forces voted for your boy Bush in the last election. So go figure. Plus, I don't know anyone who's over there anyway and anyone I know who goes, well' good luck!

you're crossing the line 4949. Please check the Etuquette reminder at: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=3582

"While healthy debate and discussion is fine, please refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts."

Hey, if you wanna be a cop, go ahead. I don't appreciate being attacked over my own politcal views and then being called ignorant. You go back and look at my first posts. There's nothing attacking about any of it. There my views and I should have a right to them. I didn't throw mud at anyone. it was thrown at me first.

Okay. I just think it pays to be restrained when discussing charged topics. But that's just me.

Carry on.

Hey, I won't lie. I lose control and am just as guilty sometimes as one of the hot heads. I want to participate to try and see if I can have a normal debate. That's all.
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3/19/2008  7:32 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Here we go.......everytime someone feels their ignorant opinion is valid cuz it came from their head......everytime.....they gotta play the "what's this doing in a Knicks site?" card.

Somebody shuffle the deck please......

Btw......Knicks are irrelevant. I shouldn't have marked this OT, or the other one.

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3/19/2008  7:32 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I was under the impression that the quotes were taken from DVD recordings, not people spying on his church. There are defeinetly problems with that church. Those quotes are clearly anti-American and anti-white. The church has a black code system of values and that seems plain un-Christian. The fact that the church backs him up suggests that it's part of the culture not just isolated comments from Rev Wright. The fact that Obama has been going there for years suggests though doesn't prove that he accepts that. I would never go to a church or have my kids exposed to a church that I had major philosophical differences with. The fact that his wife doesn't think this country has done anything worthwhile except for supporting her husband and feels she will aways be oppressed by whitey is concerning. When arguaby the 2 largest influences in Obama's life are racially focused, I'd be hard pressed to say Obama doesn't subscribe to this too.
Posted by EnySpree:

Just when you thought it was all gravy......race card finally shows its ugly head.

Obama goes to a church that he has been a part of for 20 years, the pastor married him and his wife......anyway say you guys probably know.....the pastor has said some racially insensitive remarks. I guess Playa or somebody could post them for me.....

I'm posting this because this smear campaign can potentially destroy the best candidates chances becoming our president.

I'm listening to 1010 wins right now......the media is reporting on it, but they always have to put their spin and give predictions.....people are easily influenced by this jargin.

I just think its sad. They went into church and recorded this guy....the spin is if Obama is such a long time member, he must agree with the comments......I guess you can look at it that way.....but CNN and C-span run the clips like its Hitler saying the stuff and implying that Obama is some kinda hate monger. The dude is just as white as he is black.
The media keeps saying he won't be able to shake this, and I agree. Its just sad.

Any thoughts on this?

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3/19/2008  7:33 PM
Posted by simrud:

TheloniusMonk, thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it.

Could you post some links to Wrights relations with the Jewish community, I'd like to check that out.

Now this' is a normal debate. Good going.
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3/19/2008  7:42 PM
You got it wrong with me. I said I don't give two craps about the war. I didn't say I wanted anyone killed. I just don't care about the war anymore. It's too depressing. And those stats you put up don't help none.

I don't know how to respond other then to say that I hope your not young to be drafted nor do you have any sons that could be drafted.
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3/19/2008  7:46 PM
I'll look into it.

One consideration:
Jesus was not for any race or another. The Jews were occupied by the Romans and he did not rail against them, telling Jews that their real enemy was another race. He did not encourage Jews or any other race to band together against others. This guy and his church seem mostly about race and advancing his race in the secular realm. He's certainly not a turn the cheek, or heap burning coals on their heads type of person, does he? It doesn't seem like he would call a white Christian, brother.
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I was under the impression that the quotes were taken from DVD recordings, not people spying on his church. There are defeinetly problems with that church. Those quotes are clearly anti-American and anti-white. The church has a black code system of values and that seems plain un-Christian. The fact that the church backs him up suggests that it's part of the culture not just isolated comments from Rev Wright. The fact that Obama has been going there for years suggests though doesn't prove that he accepts that. I would never go to a church or have my kids exposed to a church that I had major philosophical differences with. The fact that his wife doesn't think this country has done anything worthwhile except for supporting her husband and feels she will aways be oppressed by whitey is concerning. When arguaby the 2 largest influences in Obama's life are racially focused, I'd be hard pressed to say Obama doesn't subscribe to this too.
Posted by EnySpree:

Just when you thought it was all gravy......race card finally shows its ugly head.

Obama goes to a church that he has been a part of for 20 years, the pastor married him and his wife......anyway say you guys probably know.....the pastor has said some racially insensitive remarks. I guess Playa or somebody could post them for me.....

I'm posting this because this smear campaign can potentially destroy the best candidates chances becoming our president.

I'm listening to 1010 wins right now......the media is reporting on it, but they always have to put their spin and give predictions.....people are easily influenced by this jargin.

I just think its sad. They went into church and recorded this guy....the spin is if Obama is such a long time member, he must agree with the comments......I guess you can look at it that way.....but CNN and C-span run the clips like its Hitler saying the stuff and implying that Obama is some kinda hate monger. The dude is just as white as he is black.
The media keeps saying he won't be able to shake this, and I agree. Its just sad.

Any thoughts on this?

When you get the chance look up "liberation theology". This will help you better understand the black church. Liberation theology oes back to Jesus and the oppressed people whom his ministry took direct connection to. Jesus said he was there to restore sight to the blind and preach to the poor. The people who wee poor, oppressed, spat upon and forgotten about were told by Jesus "the meek shall inherit the earth" and said about the political upperclass who were oppressing them "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven". Those words were to give "self-worth" to the oppressed. Liberation theology goes way back to Moses' "Let my people go". Check it out. It's totally NOT un-Christian

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lol. guilty as charged. but I think my points are still valid and not redundant after reading his post.
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I was under the impression that the quotes were taken from DVD recordings, not people spying on his church. There are defeinetly problems with that church. Those quotes are clearly anti-American and anti-white. The church has a black code system of values and that seems plain un-Christian. The fact that the church backs him up suggests that it's part of the culture not just isolated comments from Rev Wright. The fact that Obama has been going there for years suggests though doesn't prove that he accepts that. I would never go to a church or have my kids exposed to a church that I had major philosophical differences with. The fact that his wife doesn't think this country has done anything worthwhile except for supporting her husband and feels she will aways be oppressed by whitey is concerning. When arguaby the 2 largest influences in Obama's life are racially focused, I'd be hard pressed to say Obama doesn't subscribe to this too.
Posted by EnySpree:

Just when you thought it was all gravy......race card finally shows its ugly head.

Obama goes to a church that he has been a part of for 20 years, the pastor married him and his wife......anyway say you guys probably know.....the pastor has said some racially insensitive remarks. I guess Playa or somebody could post them for me.....

I'm posting this because this smear campaign can potentially destroy the best candidates chances becoming our president.

I'm listening to 1010 wins right now......the media is reporting on it, but they always have to put their spin and give predictions.....people are easily influenced by this jargin.

I just think its sad. They went into church and recorded this guy....the spin is if Obama is such a long time member, he must agree with the comments......I guess you can look at it that way.....but CNN and C-span run the clips like its Hitler saying the stuff and implying that Obama is some kinda hate monger. The dude is just as white as he is black.
The media keeps saying he won't be able to shake this, and I agree. Its just sad.

Any thoughts on this?

Read Killah's post you gosh darn skimmer! Its the best post in the entire thread.

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3/19/2008  7:59 PM
Posted by bitty41:
You got it wrong with me. I said I don't give two craps about the war. I didn't say I wanted anyone killed. I just don't care about the war anymore. It's too depressing. And those stats you put up don't help none.

I don't know how to respond other then to say that I hope your not young to be drafted nor do you have any sons that could be drafted.

Let's just say that I just missed going to Vietnam. That was scary. And I would've had a serious problem being sent over to kill Vietnese people. I'm not sure what' I wouldv'e done.
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3/19/2008  8:06 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I'll look into it.

One consideration:
Jesus was not for any race or another. The Jews were occupied by the Romans and he did not rail against them, telling Jews that their real enemy was another race. He did not encourage Jews or any other race to band together against others. This guy and his church seem mostly about race and advancing his race in the secular realm. He's certainly not a turn the cheek, or heap burning coals on their heads type of person, does he? It doesn't seem like he would call a white Christian, brother.
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

I was under the impression that the quotes were taken from DVD recordings, not people spying on his church. There are defeinetly problems with that church. Those quotes are clearly anti-American and anti-white. The church has a black code system of values and that seems plain un-Christian. The fact that the church backs him up suggests that it's part of the culture not just isolated comments from Rev Wright. The fact that Obama has been going there for years suggests though doesn't prove that he accepts that. I would never go to a church or have my kids exposed to a church that I had major philosophical differences with. The fact that his wife doesn't think this country has done anything worthwhile except for supporting her husband and feels she will aways be oppressed by whitey is concerning. When arguaby the 2 largest influences in Obama's life are racially focused, I'd be hard pressed to say Obama doesn't subscribe to this too.
Posted by EnySpree:

Just when you thought it was all gravy......race card finally shows its ugly head.

Obama goes to a church that he has been a part of for 20 years, the pastor married him and his wife......anyway say you guys probably know.....the pastor has said some racially insensitive remarks. I guess Playa or somebody could post them for me.....

I'm posting this because this smear campaign can potentially destroy the best candidates chances becoming our president.

I'm listening to 1010 wins right now......the media is reporting on it, but they always have to put their spin and give predictions.....people are easily influenced by this jargin.

I just think its sad. They went into church and recorded this guy....the spin is if Obama is such a long time member, he must agree with the comments......I guess you can look at it that way.....but CNN and C-span run the clips like its Hitler saying the stuff and implying that Obama is some kinda hate monger. The dude is just as white as he is black.
The media keeps saying he won't be able to shake this, and I agree. Its just sad.

Any thoughts on this?

When you get the chance look up "liberation theology". This will help you better understand the black church. Liberation theology oes back to Jesus and the oppressed people whom his ministry took direct connection to. Jesus said he was there to restore sight to the blind and preach to the poor. The people who wee poor, oppressed, spat upon and forgotten about were told by Jesus "the meek shall inherit the earth" and said about the political upperclass who were oppressing them "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven". Those words were to give "self-worth" to the oppressed. Liberation theology goes way back to Moses' "Let my people go". Check it out. It's totally NOT un-Christian

Man! There are white Christians who are actual MEMBERS of Trinity. This is why a person shouldn't go based on media. Jeremiah Wright's ministry is MAINLY about the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you would just get your hands on some other sermons you would see this. In fact you can easily just called Trinity and ask for sermons and u can purchase one or two. What you are talking about is the fact that you've got a black community who understands that oppression, discrimination and racism is alive and well. You would be surprised at the young black kids who say "I want to be white". The reason they are saying this is because they buying into the idea that they are "marginal". So the programs at the church that are geared towards the greatness of black history are totally in line with Jesus' message of restoring hope to the hopeless. It lets these people know that although you may feel "to be white is right.....here are some accomplishments that you can be proud of. God made you equally as beautiful as everyone else". Ask people in black communities do they exprerience oppression and mainy will tell you yes. There is racial oppresion that goes on in this country as well as CLASS oppression. Keep the poor POOR. To tell the oppressed people and the poor people that YOU TOO are a child of God and are in his favor is not wrong in my opinion. He constantly stresses that Paul said "for God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only son.....not for God so loved America. Not for God so loved white people. Not for God so loved black people. For God so loved THE WORLD". And that's his message to all who feel oppressed and inferior. It's totally in line with Jesus' teachings if you ask me.

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Posted by TheloniusMonk:

He was referring to Pontios Pilate. And by the way I NEVER EVER EVER EVER hear Rev Wright speak down about Jews. If he has I haven't heard it.

I said that dirty word again, Israel.” This was one of the many disparaging remarks Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright made about Israel. According to Wright, Israel is occupying Arab land and has no right to its existence. He eliminates the legitimacy of the Jewish state of Israel in one speech; then he compounds the injury by usurping the Jewish historical ties to the land.

In Barack Obama’s apologia for Reverend Wright on March 18, the senator recounted his first service at Trinity church.

“People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note – hope!...I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories – of survival, and freedom, and hope – became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world...Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories."


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3/19/2008  8:16 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by bitty41:
You got it wrong with me. I said I don't give two craps about the war. I didn't say I wanted anyone killed. I just don't care about the war anymore. It's too depressing. And those stats you put up don't help none.

I don't know how to respond other then to say that I hope your not young to be drafted nor do you have any sons that could be drafted.

Let's just say that I just missed going to Vietnam. That was scary. And I would've had a serious problem being sent over to kill Vietnese people. I'm not sure what' I wouldv'e done.

So since it was decades ago, you are out of touch? Its the past and this war doesn't effect you?

Geezus pageebus.......you gotta be 59-60 years old. Your generation sucks.
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3/19/2008  8:35 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by bitty41:
You got it wrong with me. I said I don't give two craps about the war. I didn't say I wanted anyone killed. I just don't care about the war anymore. It's too depressing. And those stats you put up don't help none.

I don't know how to respond other then to say that I hope your not young to be drafted nor do you have any sons that could be drafted.

Let's just say that I just missed going to Vietnam. That was scary. And I would've had a serious problem being sent over to kill Vietnese people. I'm not sure what' I wouldv'e done.

So since it was decades ago, you are out of touch? Its the past and this war doesn't effect you?

Geezus pageebus.......you gotta be 59-60 years old. Your generation sucks.

Your not even close to my age. If you learned math in school, you would've calculated that 'I just missed it'.

And we oldies, but goodies think your' generation sucks too. Let me teach ya a few moves sonny!
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The Train Wreck that Wasn’t

Janice L. Mathis, visit www.sistersinlaw.blogspot.com for legal advice and political commentary.

Last week, I blogged, “Who will be the Democratic Party’s nominee?” and answered my own question, “Obama, unless he has a train wreck.” Well, this week, the Obama Express collided with Big Media over Jeremiah Wright’s incendiary remarks. Taking his fate into his own hands, Obama delivered a speech that will hold up for generations - right along with Lincoln's second Inaugural Address.

The speech was masterfully crafted and delivered. First, the craftsmanship. A brief walk through the horror house of American race relations reveals a struggle with race from the very beginning up to the present moment.

In just a few words he sets up the debate between progressives and conservatives on the U.S. Constitution – is it written in the stone of original intent, or is it a living breathing document meant to be perfected over time through trial and error, struggle and strife? Obama chooses the progressive path toward a more perfect union.

He juxtaposes his grandmother and Jeremiah Wright, concluding that he can reject neither of them. Obama compares the anger and disappointment of blacks to that of working class whites - finds both legitimate, but ultimately unsatisfying. Instead, he finds hope in the promise of young people – never explicitly using the term “change” but finally indicting Jeremiah Wright, not for his anger, but for seeing America as “static” and thus, unchanging.

The delivery was smooth, personal, passionate. His fiercest critics may not be sated, but even they will have to give Obama credit for candor, scholarship and leadership. For those who want to believe, the speech was more than enough.

Back in the 1990’s Bill Clinton launched a conversation on race. He told PBS, “And my theory…I think the more people work and learn and, and worship, if they have faith, and serve together, the more likely you are to, to strike the right balance between celebrating our differences instead of being afraid of them and still identifying common values." Well, we don’t follow his theory. For the most part, we don’t work, live, worship or serve together. We mostly talk about each other, not to each other. I work closely with the Rainbow PUSH Coalition. White visitors are rare – white members rarer still.

Barack is already pulling us together. My husband swears that white people he meets on the streets of our exurban Georgia town are friendlier, quicker to look him in the eye and speak. He thinks it is the Obama effect.

My (white) neighbor and I who share the same profession had never spoken to each other in two years of living next door until I got a puppy for Valentine’s day and named him Barack. She proudly told me that she had hosted a Barack fundraiser and thought about (but did not) invite me. Now, we talk to each other several times a week. I think it is the Obama effect.

Will the speech be enough to get the Obama Express back on track? The Jeremiah Wright collision upended the campaign. But conductor Obama is listed in improving condition and hope is still alive.
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3/19/2008  8:57 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

He was referring to Pontios Pilate. And by the way I NEVER EVER EVER EVER hear Rev Wright speak down about Jews. If he has I haven't heard it.

I said that dirty word again, Israel.” This was one of the many disparaging remarks Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright made about Israel. According to Wright, Israel is occupying Arab land and has no right to its existence. He eliminates the legitimacy of the Jewish state of Israel in one speech; then he compounds the injury by usurping the Jewish historical ties to the land.

In Barack Obama’s apologia for Reverend Wright on March 18, the senator recounted his first service at Trinity church.

“People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note – hope!...I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories – of survival, and freedom, and hope – became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world...Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories."

What you are talking about are his POLITICAL views. Obama already said that he disagrees with his POLITICAL views. The whole thing that happened with the league of nations and the oppression of Jewish people in Europe during Hitler's reign and the creation of Israel as a state is all political. However, the acts of Hitler was an issue of inhuman and evil actions. What then followed that was governments getting involved which then lead to political decisions. And we all know people take varied political positions. Israel is apparently a very touchy topic with people. But at the end of the day if someone has an issue with "the land" and "who has the right to it" and "what countries and leaders are backing which side" and "where boarders should be" etc.......is all political. Those are political views. Now if he made such statements as some other people that actually attack the Jewish religion and the Jewish AS A PEOPLE then I see that as different. But to be honest with you I am talking about this particular topic based on what YOU are telling ME. I will find out what I can find out

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