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Bonn1997
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3/9/2008  7:53 AM
Houston just won their EIGHTEENTH game in a row! T-Mac gave 41 pts, 9 assists and in Yao's absence is carrying their team in a way that Zach, Jamal, and all our other players could never do. They have no reason to take our overpaid, mediocre players with long contracts. I don't see why they'd add more salary just to get Zach and Jamal. I don't see why they'd do that even if we threw in the #5 pick (our current lottery seed). This IMO is classic overrating of our players.
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3/9/2008  1:44 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Houston just won their EIGHTEENTH game in a row! T-Mac gave 41 pts, 9 assists and in Yao's absence is carrying their team in a way that Zach, Jamal, and all our other players could never do. They have no reason to take our overpaid, mediocre players with long contracts. I don't see why they'd add more salary just to get Zach and Jamal. I don't see why they'd do that even if we threw in the #5 pick (our current lottery seed). This IMO is classic overrating of our players.


We both have this covered quite well.
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3/9/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Houston just won their EIGHTEENTH game in a row! T-Mac gave 41 pts, 9 assists and in Yao's absence is carrying their team in a way that Zach, Jamal, and all our other players could never do. They have no reason to take our overpaid, mediocre players with long contracts. I don't see why they'd add more salary just to get Zach and Jamal. I don't see why they'd do that even if we threw in the #5 pick (our current lottery seed). This IMO is classic overrating of our players.

I got to agree with Bonn on this, he stated it well.

But at the same time, I'd still pass on McGrady even though he's performing like the T-mac of old lately. But he should revert to his injured self pretty soon, once Houston faces another first round exit.
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3/9/2008  2:11 PM
and thats why they would trade him
everyone knows they will lose
he will predict a win and fail
i personally dont want him
haven't liked him since he left toronto
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3/9/2008  2:32 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Houston just won their EIGHTEENTH game in a row! T-Mac gave 41 pts, 9 assists and in Yao's absence is carrying their team in a way that Zach, Jamal, and all our other players could never do. They have no reason to take our overpaid, mediocre players with long contracts. I don't see why they'd add more salary just to get Zach and Jamal. I don't see why they'd do that even if we threw in the #5 pick (our current lottery seed). This IMO is classic overrating of our players.

I got to agree with Bonn on this, he stated it well.

But at the same time, I'd still pass on McGrady even though he's performing like the T-mac of old lately. But he should revert to his injured self pretty soon, once Houston faces another first round exit.


I wouldn't want to trade for T-Mac either because we know pretty much what his ceiling is, but he's a Heck of a player when healthy.
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3/9/2008  3:18 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Houston just won their EIGHTEENTH game in a row! T-Mac gave 41 pts, 9 assists and in Yao's absence is carrying their team in a way that Zach, Jamal, and all our other players could never do. They have no reason to take our overpaid, mediocre players with long contracts. I don't see why they'd add more salary just to get Zach and Jamal. I don't see why they'd do that even if we threw in the #5 pick (our current lottery seed). This IMO is classic overrating of our players.

I got to agree with Bonn on this, he stated it well.

But at the same time, I'd still pass on McGrady even though he's performing like the T-mac of old lately. But he should revert to his injured self pretty soon, once Houston faces another first round exit.


I wouldn't want to trade for T-Mac either because we know pretty much what his ceiling is, but he's a Heck of a player when healthy.
T-Mac's definitely got issues and I wouldn't want him considering what we'd have to give up to get him. If T-Mac keeps this up for the rest of the season, his trade value will be the highest it's been in a long time and Houston should explore moving him. There are plenty of teams that already have solid cores and could really benefit from T-Mac and would take a gamble on him because they're just one player away. Detroit, Utah, Phoenix, Dallas, and Orlando are examples.
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3/9/2008  7:56 PM
yeah, ORL wants T-Mac so much they traded him to HOU... but hey, what do i know... he's clearly a "superstar talent on the level of the top players in the game"... that is until his team starts to lose again & all you guys are bashing on the guy for being 1 of those "selfish, primadonna-ish, overrated & overpaid players" like you've been doing for the past few years... gotta love the consistency on this forum.
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3/9/2008  8:49 PM
You ignored everything I said to nit-pick about one team I listed?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-09-2008 8:51 PM]
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3/9/2008  9:07 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You ignored everything I said to nit-pick about one team I listed?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-09-2008 8:51 PM]


During the Phoenix/Spurs game today Mark Jackson and JVG ranked their Top 5 shooting guards. They both had blanks at various spots to signify drop offs. When JVG asked Jackson to state his case as to how McGrady isn't the best 2 guard next to Kobe he start making excuses that had nothing to do with ranking him and then was asked a follow-up as to how Manu was ranked ahead of him and once again he started talking about Tim Duncan and other unrelated stuff. But going off of their lists I'd wager to say most lists from other credible analyst would be very comparable. If T-Mac ranks Top 2 or 3 on average at his position in the league this suggest he's still Franchise material and only solidifies you aren't trading him for the likes of Jamal and Zach who are arguably ranked out of the Top 10 or bottom 10 at their respective positions.

JVG

1. Kobe
2. McGrady
3. Manu
4. Iverson
5.
5a. Wade

Jackson

1. Kobe
2.
3. Manu
4. McGrady
5. Iverson
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first of all Iverson is a better player than T-Mac... he's an elite shoe in HOFer on the level of Jason Kidd... please, enough w/the silliness... T-Mac has never been considered the best player at his position... he's enjoying some positive hype right now because of his team's phenomenal win streak, much like every other player seems to enjoy being the flavor of the month at certain points during their careers... he's a very good player but not elite & it's been that way for his entire career.

but wait, i'm debating this here with 2 individuals, 1 of whom doesn't consider guys like Yao Ming, Chris Paul & Kobe Bryant as franchise calibre talent, & another who considers Baron Davis to be one.
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3/9/2008  9:47 PM
Posted by TMS:

first of all Iverson is a better player than T-Mac... he's an elite shoe in HOFer on the level of Jason Kidd... please, enough w/the silliness... T-Mac has never been considered the best player at his position... he's enjoying some positive hype right now because of his team's phenomenal win streak, much like every other player seems to enjoy being the flavor of the month at certain points during their careers... he's a very good player but not elite & it's been that way for his entire career.

but wait, i'm debating this here with 2 individuals, 1 of whom doesn't consider guys like Yao Ming, Chris Paul & Kobe Bryant as franchise calibre talent, & another who considers Baron Davis to be one.


Dude T-Mac was considered the best 2guard in 2002-2003. He's won 2 scoring titles. You act like he doesn't have a resume worth consideration of being a great player. There's a reason you're suggesting trading for him with your Flavor of the Month bandwagon idea of obtaining him.

Truthfully we're talking about where players are at right now, not who's headed to the HOF, not who's won championships, not who's won playoffs games.

ROTFLOL I never said Baron Davis was Franchise Caliber. I said he's in a group of Superstars or Top Flight All-Star talent. Dude if you can't keep statements accurate please refrain from discussion. Franchise Players, Superstars, and All-Stars are different labels which have different meaning. You understand this right?

I was only providing what could be a league wide perception of how a player is perceived from the segment of Jackson and JVG. Meaning I or you may feel such and such player is this or that but how does the league view him? If the league has high regard for a player regardless of how we personally feel then such player's value has to be viewed more from this vantage point.

BTW Breen agreed more so with JVG and these guys watch them up close night-in-and-night-out.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-09-2008 8:52 PM]
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3/9/2008  9:50 PM
Posted by TMS:

first of all Iverson is a better player than T-Mac... he's an elite shoe in HOFer on the level of Jason Kidd... please, enough w/the silliness... T-Mac has never been considered the best player at his position... he's enjoying some positive hype right now because of his team's phenomenal win streak, much like every other player seems to enjoy being the flavor of the month at certain points during their careers... he's a very good player but not elite & it's been that way for his entire career.

but wait, i'm debating this here with 2 individuals, 1 of whom doesn't consider guys like Yao Ming, Chris Paul & Kobe Bryant as franchise calibre talent, & another who considers Baron Davis to be one.

And I'm debating with someone who thought, even just a few months ago, that giving up multiple lottery picks for Curry made sense.
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3/9/2008  9:53 PM
touche Bonn... touche.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Dude if you can't keep statements accurate please refrain from discussion.


LOL! hi pot says the kettle.
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3/9/2008  9:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

touche Bonn... touche.
Wow, you took the high road! Cool. I was certain we were gonna go further into a debate that would get nowhere.
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3/9/2008  10:05 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Dude if you can't keep statements accurate please refrain from discussion.


LOL! hi pot says the kettle.


There's a reason I said this considering you're such the Hall Monitor of keeping track of posts.
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3/9/2008  10:07 PM
for what it's worth i was never in favor of giving up multiple lottery picks... it was just the 1, & i never thought the team would suck so much they'd give up another one the following season... obviously i was wrong... it happens... unlike a lot of people around here i'm not afraid to admit when i was wrong about something.

anyway, i don't post just to argue... if there's a point your making that i feel is relevant i'll debate it.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Dude if you can't keep statements accurate please refrain from discussion.


LOL! hi pot says the kettle.


There's a reason I said this considering you're such the Hall Monitor of keeping track of posts.

yyyyyah... mmkay.
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3/9/2008  10:22 PM
And I'm ready to admit Kobe's proving me wrong. He's been great! I'd really enjoy seeing the Lakers vs. Celtics in the finals.
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3/9/2008  10:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

And I'm ready to admit Kobe's proving me wrong. He's been great! I'd really enjoy seeing the Lakers vs. Celtics in the finals.


Or you could look at as being right. He's playing the game the way he should have been playing it, especially when Shaq left.
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