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jaydh
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2/21/2008  5:53 PM
Posted by kam77:

On point 2, instead of backing off and admitting their hypocrisy, the same ol hardliners use the time-tested tactic of killing the messenger rather than manning up to the message.

Does this surprise you? that how it goes around here. that statline looks like something marbury has put up as well.

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2/21/2008  5:57 PM
7 months later and people are still trying to justify their position on the Balkman/Williams draft pick. Man, you guys can never let it die. Neither of these players have produced for their teams at this point. Both players are only in their 2nd seasons and both have upside. Time will tell with both.

All that being said. A team that has not had a PG since Charlie Ward has no business drafting a PF on a team with David Lee, Channing Frye etc. If you say he is a SF, then a team with Eddie Curry has no business drafting a SF that can't shoot. No leader and no PG. We should have traded up and then tried to use all our picks on PG's. But Isiah for some weird asse reason doesn't seem to value that position
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2/21/2008  6:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I think it was oohah who 2 months ago said Bynum was a POS.

Nope. That is a lie, but roll with it if it helps you feel better.

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2/21/2008  6:10 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by oohah:
for some reason I remember Thorn mentioning that VC would have to step up as the PG or take a lot of the PG duties now that Kidd was gone.

Did anyone here actually SEE the game? I already mentioned I did not. Oh, and VC did have 7 assists.

I saw most of the game (Knicks were down so early I had to change it).

Carter was great. Marcus Williams was doing his usual Jamal Crawford impersonation. He'll probably put up some decent scoring numbers while Harris heals. When Harris comes back it's "Good Night Gracie" for Marcus Williams!

oohah

oohah, last year, as a backup pg in his rookie year, marcus williams had 9 games of 7 or more assists. the guy obviously has the talent to be an nba point guard. why do you say he doesn’t?

Because he's in love with Channing Frye and has to protect his honor.

You spend your days gluing images of Isiah Thomas' head onto pictures of Fabio so you can beat off and you think you have a place to speak?

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2/21/2008  6:11 PM
It has no basis. Oohah is offended that he's constantly wrong, so he tries to cover it up instead of manning up. Sad, really. Just like Papabear, if he can't start manning up, I hope he leaves.

The real reason you hope I leave is because I put you in your place right quick and leave you stammering.

Just man up because you know it is true.

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2/21/2008  6:17 PM
oohah, last year, as a backup pg in his rookie year, marcus williams had 9 games of 7 or more assists. the guy obviously has the talent to be an nba point guard. why do you say he doesn’t?

Come on Marv. I did not say he doesn't have the talent to be an NBA point guard. Let's leave the making thing up to Solace and Briggs.

What I have always said is that Wlliams is going to be an average player. He is a selfish PG who shoots too much, he shoots terrible shots, he is too fancy, and his D is as bad as Crawford's. Therefore, we shouldn't be sweating him.

Rod Thorn has shown what he thinks about Williams, he got another PG to replace Kidd. Williams is not in that plan.

Williams had the PG spot bequeathed to him last year before he played a game. Then he got beat out by journeyman Eddie House and this year he got beat out by 90 year old Darrel Armstrong.

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2/21/2008  6:22 PM
Posted by oohah:
oohah, last year, as a backup pg in his rookie year, marcus williams had 9 games of 7 or more assists. the guy obviously has the talent to be an nba point guard. why do you say he doesn’t?

Come on Marv. I did not say he doesn't have the talent to be an NBA point guard. Let's leave the making thing up to Solace and Briggs.

What I have always said is that Wlliams is going to be an average player. He is a selfish PG who shoots too much, he shoots terrible shots, he is too fancy, and his D is as bad as Crawford's. Therefore, we shouldn't be sweating him.

Rod Thorn has shown what he thinks about Williams, he got another PG to replace Kidd. Williams is not in that plan.

Williams had the PG spot bequeathed to him last year before he played a game. Then he got beat out by journeyman Eddie House and this year he got beat out by 90 year old Darrel Armstrong.

oohah

Is that better or worse than getting beaten out by Jared Jeffries and 90 year old Malik Rose?
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2/21/2008  6:22 PM
They are both in the 2nd years and have done nothing. Why are we trying to justify the draft still? Let the guys develop. In the old days unless you were a superstar you didn't even smell the court in your first two years. Especially at the Point.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-02-2008 6:23 PM]
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2/21/2008  6:33 PM
Is that better or worse than getting beaten out by Jared Jeffries and 90 year old Malik Rose?

Who are you referring to that got beaten out?

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2/21/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by oohah:
Is that better or worse than getting beaten out by Jared Jeffries and 90 year old Malik Rose?

Who are you referring to that got beaten out?

oohah

Balkman
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2/21/2008  6:39 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by oohah:
Is that better or worse than getting beaten out by Jared Jeffries and 90 year old Malik Rose?

Who are you referring to that got beaten out?

oohah

Balkman

In reality, no better or worse. The difference is in this board and in the media, where Williams was touted as a "lottery player", Kidd's "Heir Apparent" etc. and Thomas was burnt in effigy for passing him up.

Also, Williams absolutely had the backup PG spot cleared out and handed to him. It was his to lose and he sure lost it.

Balkman had no such opportunity.

The interesting thing is that everybody has so much patience with Williams and knows he is still going to be so good. Meanwhile, at corresponding stages in their young careers, I don't see that Williams has been better than Robinson, Lee, Frye or Balkman for that matter.

The guy we really missed out on is Rondo. Marcus Williams is not worth worrying about.

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2/21/2008  9:54 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by oohah:
Is that better or worse than getting beaten out by Jared Jeffries and 90 year old Malik Rose?

Who are you referring to that got beaten out?

oohah

Balkman

In reality, no better or worse. The difference is in this board and in the media, where Williams was touted as a "lottery player", Kidd's "Heir Apparent" etc. and Thomas was burnt in effigy for passing him up.

Also, Williams absolutely had the backup PG spot cleared out and handed to him. It was his to lose and he sure lost it.

Balkman had no such opportunity.

The interesting thing is that everybody has so much patience with Williams and knows he is still going to be so good. Meanwhile, at corresponding stages in their young careers, I don't see that Williams has been better than Robinson, Lee, Frye or Balkman for that matter.

The guy we really missed out on is Rondo. Marcus Williams is not worth worrying about.

oohah

If you had read any of my posts you would have found that this is exactly what I said
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2/21/2008  10:12 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by MS:

Simple fact of the matter is Isiah ****ed up drafting Balkman, who parties his ass off and doesn't focus on basketball.

Williams, Lowry, Farmer and Rondo were all on the board and we needed a pg. Draft a sf that can't start on a team that might not win 20 games and then take a pg at the end of the first round.

Isiah was still scared he would damage the weak minded marbury if he drafted a pg in the 1st rd.

Being next door neighbors didn't help the situation either.

I can't believe this, but you are 100% right.

At least now he knows Marbury is a P.o.S.


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2/21/2008  10:37 PM
i have to agree w/kam & oohah on this one... y'all need to focus on the message instead of the poster making the comments... the fact is that if anyone gets excited around here when Nate or Jamal puts up those types of numbers, they get flamed or you hear comment after comment about how neither of them play any defense or know how to orchestrate an offense effectively... in my recollection there have been several times where those 2 guys have put up much better A/TO ratios w/more points & rebounds than what M Will just did & yet u rarely ever hear the same posters complementing them when they have those types of games... that's what i find so strange... it happens all the time around here.

the point is that when it comes to evaluating the game performances of our own players, that the predominant tendency around here is to always focus on the negatives & never acknowledge the positives whenever 1 of them have a good game... then when some unproven 3rd year player on another team has 1 good game, you see threads from different posters start to pop up saying those are the types of players they wish we had right now... IMO we already do have players who are every bit as good if not much better than Marcus Williams at this point based on what he's shown so far in his 3 years in the league... i have no problem acknowledging the game he just had is worthy of some praise, but you have to be consistent & say the same whenever 1 of our own have similar types of games... it doesn't seem that difficult to be unbiased, & yet so many people here have a hard time doing it seemingly.
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2/22/2008  3:23 PM
Posted by TMS:

i have to agree w/kam & oohah on this one... y'all need to focus on the message instead of the poster making the comments... the fact is that if anyone gets excited around here when Nate or Jamal puts up those types of numbers, they get flamed or you hear comment after comment about how neither of them play any defense or know how to orchestrate an offense effectively... in my recollection there have been several times where those 2 guys have put up much better A/TO ratios w/more points & rebounds than what M Will just did & yet u rarely ever hear the same posters complementing them when they have those types of games... that's what i find so strange... it happens all the time around here.

the point is that when it comes to evaluating the game performances of our own players, that the predominant tendency around here is to always focus on the negatives & never acknowledge the positives whenever 1 of them have a good game... then when some unproven 3rd year player on another team has 1 good game, you see threads from different posters start to pop up saying those are the types of players they wish we had right now... IMO we already do have players who are every bit as good if not much better than Marcus Williams at this point based on what he's shown so far in his 3 years in the league... i have no problem acknowledging the game he just had is worthy of some praise, but you have to be consistent & say the same whenever 1 of our own have similar types of games... it doesn't seem that difficult to be unbiased, & yet so many people here have a hard time doing it seemingly.

I disagree with you guys. I think there are about 4 or 5 people that do what you say. The rest are pretty rational.

My point about the pick. I don't care what Balkman and Williams turn into it still makes no sense to draft a PF when you already have 2 and are in desperate need of a pG. If you want to call him a SF than it makes no sense to draft a SF that can't shoot when you have Eddie Curry in the post and don't have a PG. The only reason Balkman was drafted was because we were a team without energy or effort and needed someone to give us a boost. IN my mind it was a poor decision. But who cares, like I said neither has done much in their careers so why not wait until one of them can at least string together 20 or 30 good games before anyone starts "I told you soing".
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2/23/2008  12:05 AM
Bip, i'm not trying to say I told you so about M Will cuz he hasn't done jack in this league, same as Balk... neither have really proven they're better than the other AFAIC... in my eyes it's pretty much a wash... we got what we needed at the time which was an athletic SF, that's good enough for me.

as for there only being 4 or 5 guys who fall under that description, i gotta disagree w/u on that too bro... i think the predominant trend of late has been to be very critical about our players no matter if they have a good game or not... losing games will do that to a fanbase, that much i can understand, & i'm definitely not one to say i haven't been critical of my share of players on this team either, but when guys start pointing out good games that players on other teams are having while downplaying very similar games our guys have, it just strikes me as odd... just MHO.
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2/23/2008  7:47 AM
good game by Marcus tonight.
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2/23/2008  10:06 PM
Marcus' Total #'s vs Pacers tonight.

8 Points 2-7 FG 13 Assists 7 Rebounds and onl 2 turnovers.

Boone had nice game too. 19/13. I thought he'd go the way of sweetney and slowly disappear but he's much better than i gave him credit for.
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2/23/2008  11:43 PM
Posted by MX25:

Marcus' Total #'s vs Pacers tonight.

8 Points 2-7 FG 13 Assists 7 Rebounds and onl 2 turnovers.

Boone had nice game too. 19/13. I thought he'd go the way of sweetney and slowly disappear but he's much better than i gave him credit for.

You know, I thought Boone was a stiff too. I'm very surprised that he's actually panning out so far. Boy the Nets did a good job drafting in recent years when you consider the fact that they've been doing it with 19-24 picks.

Marcus Williams had a pretty good game tonight. I wonder if he can sustain it. I always thought that he had the potential to be a poor man's deron williams. It's yet to be seen if he actually realizes it.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 02-24-2008 02:40 AM]
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2/23/2008  11:43 PM
Much better statline tonight. 6.5-1 TO ratio is awesome.
Boone made those key free throws at the end.
Supposedly he's a good FT shooter in practice.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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