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kam77
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2/11/2008  1:10 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

People, people, people... the Grizz are one of the least profitable teams in the league. They rank 23rd in franchise value with negative revenue.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/32/biz_07nba_NBA-Team-Valuations_Rank.html

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The Grizzlies move to Memphis from Vancouver in 2001 dramatically boasted the value of the franchise, but fans have been slow to embrace the Grizzlies in the NBA's second smallest market. Attendance fell to last in the league last year as the team posted 60 losses and only 22 wins after three straight playoff appearances. Owner Michael Heisley has been trying to unload the team and thought he had a deal in place with former Duke hoops stars Brian Davis and Christian Laettner for $360 million last year. But Davis' group could not line up the financing for the deal. Heisley's search for new ownership continues.

Clearly this deal was made to lower payroll expenditures in order to make the team more appealing to buyers.


Maybe if they spent less time boasting about their franchise they'd get somewhere.
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2/11/2008  1:11 PM
Because they wanted to drop expenditures to make the team easier to sell. Selling the team is current ownership's priority.

And we have a winner!! Can we all now drop the facade that this team is trying to rebuild?
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2/11/2008  7:14 PM
still waiting to hear who these established NBA players the Grizz had a chance to trade for that would have made much more sense for their rebuilding franchise than what they got... everyone seems to be so in the know on these matters but they fail to offer up any better options that were legitimate possibilities.
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2/11/2008  8:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

still waiting to hear who these established NBA players the Grizz had a chance to trade for that would have made much more sense for their rebuilding franchise than what they got... everyone seems to be so in the know on these matters but they fail to offer up any better options that were legitimate possibilities.

I'm curious too but I did actually offer who I felt could have been had. It wouldn't have done the Grizz any good.
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2/11/2008  8:26 PM
i must have missed that... who did u think they could have got? if u consider the bigname guys who've been traded so far, Marion & Shaq, as well as others that have been rumored like Jason Kidd who's getting old & making huge money of his own, which one of those guys would have made more sense for the Griz? like u said, it wouldn't have done the Griz any good, so they got basically what made the most sense for their franchise, which is a talented young G, draft rights to a Euro player, 2 1st round picks & cap space.
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2/11/2008  8:32 PM
Posted by TMS:

i must have missed that... who did u think they could have got? if u consider the bigname guys who've been traded so far, Marion & Shaq, as well as others that have been rumored like Jason Kidd who's getting old & making huge money of his own, which one of those guys would have made more sense for the Griz? like u said, it wouldn't have done the Griz any good, so they got basically what made the most sense for their franchise, which is a talented young G, draft rights to a Euro player, 2 1st round picks & cap space.

It was towards the end of the previous page. Bitty never gave an adequate response if she did at all, then conceded after it was brought to attention the Owner is looking to sell. We know this was a driving force while at the same time a lot of basketball factor into too the decision.
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2/11/2008  9:18 PM
It was towards the end of the previous page. Bitty never gave an adequate response if she did at all, then conceded after it was brought to attention the Owner is looking to sell. We know this was a driving force while at the same time a lot of basketball factor into too the decision.

I mentioned the Nets and the Bulls as possible suitors. I'm not entirely sure what the entire package but supposedly the Bulls were willing to part with anyone with the exception of Deng. And the Nets were looking to move I believe RJ or VC last season and some of their young players.


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2/11/2008  9:22 PM
Posted by bitty41:
It was towards the end of the previous page. Bitty never gave an adequate response if she did at all, then conceded after it was brought to attention the Owner is looking to sell. We know this was a driving force while at the same time a lot of basketball factor into too the decision.

I mentioned the Nets and the Bulls as possible suitors. I'm not entirely sure what the entire package but supposedly the Bulls were willing to part with anyone with the exception of Deng. And the Nets were looking to move I believe RJ or VC last season and some of their young players.

Don't want to jump in on your argument Bitty, but if I'm the Grizz, I certainly don't want Vince Carter's contract in return for Gasol.
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2/11/2008  9:43 PM
Don't want to jump in on your argument Bitty, but if I'm the Grizz, I certainly don't want Vince Carter's contract in return for Gasol.

I wouldn't either but if RJ was on the table with one or more of their younger players I think that would be a better deal then they got from LA
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2/11/2008  9:45 PM
i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.
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2/11/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now
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2/11/2008  10:09 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now

Remember last season RJ was hurt so he wasn't nearly as attractive as he is right now.

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2/11/2008  10:17 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now


I hate to say it, but you guys lose the point as soon as you get it.

Would trading Gasol for RJ suddenly make the Grizz a profitable organization, would it turn their negative revenue stream positive, would it lift them from the basement of attendance, and would it make the franchise easier to sell?

No.

That's why the weren't looking for equal value, they were looking to unload.

So no, I don't believe they would have traded Gasol for RJ, Vince, Marion or anyone of similar talent at similar salary.
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2/11/2008  10:32 PM
regardless if u agree or not, the point remains the Griz got back what they wanted out of the deal, which is why i think they did a good job... they got back some nice young assets (depending on how they use those picks) & freed up a ton of cap... now if they go ahead & trade away those picks they just got because they don't wish to pay for the guaranteed rookie dollars that come along with them & fail to use the added cap to go after some bigname free agents in the coming years, then obviously it changes things.
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2/12/2008  12:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now

I wholeheartedly disagree. Leaving out the financial ramifications because we've established several times it's a high priority of theirs to get it under control, R.J., Gay, and Miller are redundant.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now

I wholeheartedly disagree. Leaving out the financial ramifications because we've established several times it's a high priority of theirs to get it under control, R.J., Gay, and Miller are redundant.

Wholewheartedly disagree? That's a bit intense for a Memphis Grizzlies debate! I think RJ wouldn't be too redundant with those players because he plays far better defense than them.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-12-2008 01:14 AM]
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2/12/2008  8:18 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now

I wholeheartedly disagree. Leaving out the financial ramifications because we've established several times it's a high priority of theirs to get it under control, R.J., Gay, and Miller are redundant.

Wholewheartedly disagree? That's a bit intense for a Memphis Grizzlies debate! I think RJ wouldn't be too redundant with those players because he plays far better defense than them.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-12-2008 01:14 AM]

Yeah but it's not the point. He's got a big contract and Memphis wants nothing to do with a big contract, they wanted to unload PERIOD.
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2/12/2008  8:59 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:

i have to believe if RJ, Marcus Williams & Boone were really on the table for Gasol then the Griz would have made the deal.

Heck, if RJ alone were on the table, Pau would be in New Jersey right now

I wholeheartedly disagree. Leaving out the financial ramifications because we've established several times it's a high priority of theirs to get it under control, R.J., Gay, and Miller are redundant.

Wholewheartedly disagree? That's a bit intense for a Memphis Grizzlies debate! I think RJ wouldn't be too redundant with those players because he plays far better defense than them.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-12-2008 01:14 AM]

Yeah but it's not the point. He's got a big contract and Memphis wants nothing to do with a big contract, they wanted to unload PERIOD.

Even with that being true, it still follows logic that the Grizzlies shed a player who was no longer working for them, picked up significant cap room, and got a lot of youth in the deal. It's weird to bash such a deal when such deals have been advocated on these very forums for years. Long term plans, right?

If Gasol was a tier-1 superstar, then there's a lot of logic to keeping him. However, he isn't.
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2/12/2008  9:05 AM
Why are you telling me this? I agree with the idea.
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2/12/2008  9:09 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why are you telling me this? I agree with the idea.

I see. I may have misunderstood, but I thought you were implying otherwise.

In that case, pretend like I quoted BlueSeats.
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