Posted by TrueBlue:
While at the same time you know this team is going to lose more times than they win. So while we get some wins here and there what's our ultimate end result?
Our goal as fans? Or mine? To fire Isiah, liquidate Randolph, then Crawford, then Curry after building him back up into the earliest expirings possible, kids on rookie deals, picks if you can. Buy out Marbury and Malik right away. Hope that the summer of 2009 and most certainly 2010 you can build a team upwards the proper way while already having 2 new lotto players on the team.
Our goal as the Knicks? Win as many games as possible. Try to make trades to find a way to make the current roster win more games.
Danny Ainge tore down the Celtics a few yrs back, a team of Pierce-Walker duo and his reasoning was.....
"I looked at the team and saw it peaked. It wasn't going to go too much father than where they were".
Now Danny Ainge could have been wrong, no doubt but he didn't like what he saw, so he gradually tore down, while amassing assets. If you break down his statement in line with what we're discussing similar points can be garnished. Such as....
Although he said they peaked he very well could have reasoned...
Well for quite some time no one knew what Danny Ainge was doing. I'm not ready to congratulate him for a job well done because he had two amazing trades this summer. I don't think years ago he told himself "I'm doing (this) because in a few years I'm going to land two super stars, pair them with my own superstar, and we're going to be great!
Because...he wasn't doing that at all.
Regardless, he had a nice summer, but I think it's the wrong team to take and suggest as a model given my above reasoning.
Keep them together and watch them win more often than they lose
or
Watch them remain competitive while not having a true shot to contend.
To not see losses
Isn't this similar to some here reasoning?....
Rather seeing wins than losses, although overall we feel we're not anywhere close to being consistently competitive
or
Not wanting to trade any of our top assets(Lee, Nate, Craw) per say hoping other assets(Curry, Zach, Q) reap us rich rewards.
Again, fan perspective or Zeke's? Hey, you know my desire, yet, if the team is clearly NOT going to do that then you'll see me talk in line of what Zeke might do and in that - what might be best given knowing what zeke will continue to do. It's just convo....talking about Artest and others. Don't cement this convo as my absolute desire for this team. They're separate.
If we reason I SAY UGH won't rebuild then is it fair to reason he won't stick to a plan either? Meaning any momentum we potentially stand to gain gets murdered by him because of his Hankering to CLUSTERSTARPHUCK us!
He hasnt. Year 1 was Starbury. Year 2 was Crawful and turning Starbury into Eric Snow. Year 3 was Curry featured. Year 4 has been Zach featured (with crawful still gunning).
So, no, he never has, and never will stick to a plan. If we acquired Artest? Ut oh, Crawful's days as top gun are numbered! (not exactly a bad thing, just making a point).
Nothing we can do about Isiah's obscene obsession with the latest and greatest thing. Instead of getting a dominant player and surrounding him with pieces he just keeps adding dominant players.
I liked Danny Ainge's approach and yes we know he was fortunate to have Mchale assist but he put the Celtics in position to have such a shot. That's what I want a shot at drafting or acquiring a Blue Chipper and I feel losses give us the best chance at it. The only way I SAY UGH gets fired is if we lose a ton or catches another case.
At a best case scenario, keeping many of our core components.... what's our peak? And if we do more dismantling to build around Lee, Craw, and Nate how much longer will that be? I don't want to watch another 3yrs go by to see if these guys and other components can win 43gms.
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-17-2008 1:10 PM]
Again, I don't feel you can use Ainge. I'd rather use Colangelo in Phoenix to be honest as a model for potential success - or Denver's - or Portlands - in fact Portlands would be the best model to follow given similar ridiculously bloated payrolls filled with malcontents and 1-1 non-team players. Ainge's vision was way too clouded and unknown until he made those two big deals this summer and as I said I highly doubt he spent the past 3 years building up to this past summer because I feel it just fell into his lap.
[Edited by - cosmic on 01-17-2008 4:44 PM]
1/17/2008 3:35 PM