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12/12/2007  2:41 PM
i dunno why you keep repeating all the obvious points that don't have anything to do with what i was asking u to begin with? i just told u i agreed w/u on all that from the very beginning.

we got 20 & 7 from Curry last year & he was still considered to be garbage cuz the team was a sub .500 team... the Blazers are getting 18 & 8 from Aldridge & 18, 5 & 5 from Roy this year & they're still a sub .500 team... yet those players are so clearly better than Curry based on those stat comparisons in your mind... that is what i found curious... this has zero to do w/POR's cap situation, their potential to get better or the value these players have around the league in potential trades.

if u want to tell me i need to watch more POR games in order to see what you're talking about, then fine... i know stats don't tell the whole story, & i already agreed that both those guys are more desirable to have & are already better players than Curry... it's just i get the impression that they're so great while Curry's garbage in your view, & the stat comparisons don't reflect that argument IMO.
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12/12/2007  3:07 PM
8-11 in the western conference is basically comparable to .500 in the eastern conference.
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12/12/2007  3:29 PM
even if we had a .500 team u guys would still consider Curry garbage... let's be real here.
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12/12/2007  3:32 PM
if we had an .700 team but he was fat and lazy and had a negative overall impact, I'd still consider him garbage.
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12/12/2007  3:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

if we had an .700 team but he was fat and lazy and had a negative overall impact, I'd still consider him garbage.

'Zactly.

I wouldn't go as far as garbage. He has some uses (well, one). But he's not a starter quality player. He plays on one aspect of one side of the court.
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12/12/2007  3:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

i dunno why you keep repeating all the obvious points that don't have anything to do with what i was asking u to begin with? i just told u i agreed w/u on all that from the very beginning.

we got 20 & 7 from Curry last year & he was still considered to be garbage cuz the team was a sub .500 team... the Blazers are getting 18 & 8 from Aldridge & 18, 5 & 5 from Roy this year & they're still a sub .500 team... yet those players are so clearly better than Curry based on those stat comparisons in your mind... that is what i found curious... this has zero to do w/POR's cap situation, their potential to get better or the value these players have around the league in potential trades.

if u want to tell me i need to watch more POR games in order to see what you're talking about, then fine... i know stats don't tell the whole story, & i already agreed that both those guys are more desirable to have & are already better players than Curry... it's just i get the impression that they're so great while Curry's garbage in your view, & the stat comparisons don't reflect that argument IMO.


Just like Dwight Howard was putting up monster numbers last yr yet Orlando was sub .500(40-42) and made the playoffs largely due to the fact the East was crap. So by your argument which is borderline asinine BTW I guess Howard was crap like Curry because his team wasn't all that good. I already explained we're comparing rookie-2ndyr players to 6-7yr vet. If Aldridge and Roy's numbers stay the same or even improve with steady progression but they fail to make the playoffs in their 6th or 7th yr let's talk TMS. You trying to give Curry a mile leash isn't acceptable. Most players learn/progress in this league by their 3rd or 4rth season not regress in their 7th Good Grief.
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12/12/2007  3:48 PM
The only way Curry is useful is if you have a team of high percentage shooters at every position, to bad we can't work out a deal for Josh Howard or someone like that, Eddy would actually work out will with a team like Dallas.

But thats the point these guys are already progressing an putting up numbers maturing as players, the records mean nothing. eddy is never going to be a good player thats the point hence he wasn't worth one draft choice
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12/12/2007  3:48 PM
Also TMS if Curry was a more well rounded player and played 2 ways Zach wouldn't be here and now with Zach here Curry shouldn't be threatened to be benched from game-to-game. I doubt Nate is threatening Roy or Aldridge for benchings or running their system through Pyrzbilla or Udoka respectively.
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12/12/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

i dunno why you keep repeating all the obvious points that don't have anything to do with what i was asking u to begin with? i just told u i agreed w/u on all that from the very beginning.

we got 20 & 7 from Curry last year & he was still considered to be garbage cuz the team was a sub .500 team... the Blazers are getting 18 & 8 from Aldridge & 18, 5 & 5 from Roy this year & they're still a sub .500 team... yet those players are so clearly better than Curry based on those stat comparisons in your mind... that is what i found curious... this has zero to do w/POR's cap situation, their potential to get better or the value these players have around the league in potential trades.

if u want to tell me i need to watch more POR games in order to see what you're talking about, then fine... i know stats don't tell the whole story, & i already agreed that both those guys are more desirable to have & are already better players than Curry... it's just i get the impression that they're so great while Curry's garbage in your view, & the stat comparisons don't reflect that argument IMO.


Just like Dwight Howard was putting up monster numbers last yr yet Orlando was sub .500(40-42) and made the playoffs largely due to the fact the East was crap. So by your argument which is borderline asinine BTW I guess Howard was crap like Curry because his team wasn't all that good. I already explained we're comparing rookie-2ndyr players to 6-7yr vet. If Aldridge and Roy's numbers stay the same or even improve with steady progression but they fail to make the playoffs in their 6th or 7th yr let's talk TMS. You trying to give Curry a mile leash isn't acceptable. Most players learn/progress in this league by their 3rd or 4rth season not regress in their 7th Good Grief.

the only thing that's assinine was your failure to even comprehend the question i had asked to begin with... did u see Curry hand Howard his lunch head to head last year in games they played or was that my imagination... yet according to you Curry is a complete waste of space & Howard deserves to be enshrined in the basketball HOF... don't put words in my mouth moron... i never said i was giving Curry a mile leash... i said the standards you put on our own players are hardly ever the same that you put on other team's players... if any player on any other team would have had a 20 & 7 year last year, you'd be calling them the second coming of Christ whether they were a 2nd year player, 7th year player, or whatever else.

i don't consider Eddy Curry garbage, just like i don't consider Zach garbage or even Marbury... i think he's lazy & fat, yes, but i also feel he could use some complementary players to get the most out of his game... he does have talent & ability that many young players don't... he doesn't have the right mindset to achieve the fullest of his potential, that much i can agree on, but i don't really see where anyone can say that these 2nd year players are already so clearly in a completely different league than Curry right now... if this team had 1 of those kids & we were still languishing i have a hard time believing you wouldn't feel the same away about them as you do about every player on this team.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-12-2007 1:09 PM]
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12/12/2007  4:19 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

i dunno why you keep repeating all the obvious points that don't have anything to do with what i was asking u to begin with? i just told u i agreed w/u on all that from the very beginning.

we got 20 & 7 from Curry last year & he was still considered to be garbage cuz the team was a sub .500 team... the Blazers are getting 18 & 8 from Aldridge & 18, 5 & 5 from Roy this year & they're still a sub .500 team... yet those players are so clearly better than Curry based on those stat comparisons in your mind... that is what i found curious... this has zero to do w/POR's cap situation, their potential to get better or the value these players have around the league in potential trades.

if u want to tell me i need to watch more POR games in order to see what you're talking about, then fine... i know stats don't tell the whole story, & i already agreed that both those guys are more desirable to have & are already better players than Curry... it's just i get the impression that they're so great while Curry's garbage in your view, & the stat comparisons don't reflect that argument IMO.


Just like Dwight Howard was putting up monster numbers last yr yet Orlando was sub .500(40-42) and made the playoffs largely due to the fact the East was crap. So by your argument which is borderline asinine BTW I guess Howard was crap like Curry because his team wasn't all that good. I already explained we're comparing rookie-2ndyr players to 6-7yr vet. If Aldridge and Roy's numbers stay the same or even improve with steady progression but they fail to make the playoffs in their 6th or 7th yr let's talk TMS. You trying to give Curry a mile leash isn't acceptable. Most players learn/progress in this league by their 3rd or 4rth season not regress in their 7th Good Grief.

the only thing that's assinine was your failure to even comprehend the question i had asked to begin with... did u see Curry hand Howard his lunch head to head last year in games they played or was that my imagination... yet according to you Curry is a complete waste of space & Howard deserves to be enshrined in the basketball HOF... don't put words in my mouth moron... i never said i was giving Curry a mile leash... i said the standards you put on our own players are hardly ever the same that you put on other team's players... if any player on any other team would have had a 20 & 7 year last year, you'd be calling them the second coming of Christ whether they were a 2nd year player, 7th year player, or whatever else.

i don't consider Eddy Curry garbage, just like i don't consider Zach garbage or even Marbury... i think he's lazy & fat, yes, but i also feel he could use some complementary players to get the most out of his game... he does have talent & ability that many young players don't... he doesn't have the right mindset to achieve the fullest of his potential, that much i can agree on, but i don't really see where anyone can say that these 2nd year players are already so clearly in a completely different league than Curry right now... if this team had 1 of those kids & we were still languishing i have a hard time believing you wouldn't feel the same away about them as you do about every player on this team.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-12-2007 1:09 PM]


No you're jumping ahead as regards to how you think we would assess players. If Roy and Aldridge don't play large roles as to getting the Blazers to the playoffs by their 4rth-5th seasons respectively they would be falling short IMO and missing the mark. I'd throw them right in their with Curry. Matter of fact I like Aldridge a lot but I'm keeping a close eye on his rebounding it's kind of suspect, his blocking is decent, but once again we're talking about second yr players who's played about 100gms in their careers to EY Curry who's played 450+. I mean Damn Roy has already won Rookie Of The Year in his very young career and Aldridge is a Top Candidate right now for Most Improved Player. If Curry was a second yr player TMS I could see your point. I guess with K.G. missing the playoffs 3 of his last 4 seasons he wasn't all that good of a player then HUH!


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-12-2007 3:31 PM]
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12/12/2007  4:26 PM
like i said, i have a hard time seeing Aldridge put up these #'s if Oden is playing alongside him, but we'll see next season hopefully... i think they have a terrific core of young talent, but they still need to develop & aren't really that much better than the Knicks... hell, i bet if u put Curry on that team he'd be looking a lot better to a lot of you then he does now.
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12/12/2007  4:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

like i said, i have a hard time seeing Aldridge put up these #'s if Oden is playing alongside him, but we'll see next season hopefully... i think they have a terrific core of young talent, but they still need to develop & aren't really that much better than the Knicks... hell, i bet if u put Curry on that team he'd be looking a lot better to a lot of you then he does now.


He was on a young Bulls team and looks hardly any different than he did then. He wasn't even their 3rd best player then. His numbers wouldn't be that good playing next to Oden or Aldridge respectively(pick whoever you want) would they TMS?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-12-2007 3:36 PM]
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12/12/2007  4:43 PM
Again we get what your saying, but Dwight hasn’t been in the league as long as eddy and the magic were in the playoffs with a team that had less talent last than the knicks last season.

New York 94 Orlando 86

Curry 27pts 6rbs
Howard 15pts 11rbs

New York 100 Orlando 94
Curry 20pts 6rbs 0blks
Howard 27pts 14rb 3blks

New York 89 Orlando 94
Curry 17pts 4rbs 0blks
Howard 10pts 14rb 4blks


Curry 21.3pts 5.3rbs 0blks
Howard 17.3pts 13rbs 2.3blks


Please explain how curry handed him his lunch?

But again stats mean nothing, but Howard got in the gym and worked on his body and is averaging more ****ing rebounds nearly than eddy is pts, that’s the point of the stat argument is improvement in the player. The record will come for those teams unlike the knicks which are screwed
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12/12/2007  4:47 PM
i thought he looked better when he was on the Bulls to tell u the truth & to be fair he was fresh outta HS when he first came into the league... u have to expect some growing pains from him the first few seasons at least... overall i thought he was slimmer & moved much better w/o the ball when he was in CHI... seems like he's put on way too much weight since he's been in NY... that doesn't mean he's garbage in my eyes... he needs to be motivated & he needs a shotblocking defensive frontcourt mate to reach his full potential.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-12-2007 1:55 PM]
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12/12/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by MS:

Again we get what your saying, but Dwight hasn’t been in the league as long as eddy and the magic were in the playoffs with a team that had less talent last than the knicks last season.

New York 94 Orlando 86

Curry 27pts 6rbs
Howard 15pts 11rbs

New York 100 Orlando 94
Curry 20pts 6rbs 0blks
Howard 27pts 14rb 3blks

New York 89 Orlando 94
Curry 17pts 4rbs 0blks
Howard 10pts 14rb 4blks


Curry 21.3pts 5.3rbs 0blks
Howard 17.3pts 13rbs 2.3blks


Please explain how curry handed him his lunch?

But again stats mean nothing, but Howard got in the gym and worked on his body and is averaging more ****ing rebounds nearly than eddy is pts, that’s the point of the stat argument is improvement in the player. The record will come for those teams unlike the knicks which are screwed


Head-to-Head matchups mean absolutely nothing to me not in case we're talking about playoffs matchups. Like if Curry chits on Hoaward but then Magloire, Erika Dampier, Reggie Evans etc etc chit on Curry the Hoawrd matchup was a vacuum Haed-to-Head matchup game. But nice way to break it down MS. Of course as always with Curry the argument is looked at stricltly from a one-way offensive perspective which won't cut it.
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12/12/2007  4:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

i thought he looked better when he was on the Bulls to tell u the truth & to be fair he wasn't even 18 yo when he first came into the league... u have to expect some growing pains from him the first few seasons at least... overall i thought he was slimmer & moved much better w/o the ball when he was in CHI... seems like he's put on way too much weight since he's been in NY... that doesn't mean he's garbage in my eyes... he needs to be motivated & he needs a shotblocking defensive frontcourt mate to reach his full potential.

But we're not allowed to afford Aldridge and Roy the same growing pains in a tough Western Confernce?

He should be the Shotblocking Defensive Frontcourt mate, although agreed our Franchise player needs about 2 other Franchise players to play alongside him so he can reach his full Franchising player potential. A large reason Jack, Webster, and Outlaw are having decent seasons is because Roy and Aldridge make them better players. I'll go back to this again Curry should be the reason his teammates get richer contracts not the reason they get traded.
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12/12/2007  4:57 PM
Jeezus Christ, i give up.
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12/12/2007  5:23 PM
Posted by TMS:

we got 20 & 7 from Curry last year & he was still considered to be garbage cuz the team was a sub .500 team...

I didn't consider curry garbage last year. I actually don't consider him it this year either. Plenty of good players play on crappy teams. take KG a few years ago for example. Curry is a role player. Always has been, always will be. but right now he's probably a below average center. I think he has the potential to be slightly above average at the center position. but I think the Zach trade is cuasing him to regress. Not to give him excuses or anything..............

I still think guys like aldrdige and gay are/will be better though. they have a good deal more potential imo.

[Edited by - slimpack on 12-12-2007 5:25 PM]
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12/12/2007  5:26 PM
Posted by TMS:

Jeezus Christ, i give up.

oh yeah and, I don't think this was mentioned before but you can't compare the two because curry is a 7 year vet and the other guys are rookies
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12/13/2007  9:41 PM
quite sure Sweetney, had he been coddled in Isiah Lord Commodus bosom like Curry put up 15 and 5.5 as well...and NY would have had their last 2 lotto picks
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