the fact that we don't have a last place team does not mean we suck. those are only stupid statistics. when you weigh the salaries and contracts and out put this team sucks point blank.

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the fact that we don't have a last place team does not mean we dont suck

first off sub zero, it's knicks fans like you keeps financing this mediocrity. you let a anomaly season put blinders over your eyes. maybe you think that the nba will go on strike every season , play 50 game season, a playoffs with almost no rest between games,a 8th seed beating a one seed. and marcus camby catching ligthing in a botle again. GET OVER IT. that was a dream season, it would or never happen with out a lucky bounce from houston , and terry porter kicking the ball out his hands. you saw what happened the next few season but i thought every year you believe the knicks had a good shot.

Now NEC the eastern conference has sucked for year and any year Michael jordan was home The east got whipped. the the east were a bunch of fundamentally flawed teams, and quite ignorant an the knicks were on top of that list. you had a power foward who couldn't make a layup (my it's funny how things dont change), A CBA two guard who dunks so infrequently they made a poster and a big deal out of the last dunk. they tried to say it was over four bulls..lol. I think it was the only time a knick ever dunked in the 90's cause we got nothing from a highly overrated small foward CLUTZ Charles smith, and a good player at center who relied on a jumper, and one knee. A center who regulary let Rick Smits take his cookies. A center who let a 6'6 guard named jordan punk him on the regular. decent talent+no heart and no rings means a good player. Superstar..please. three season later people don't even remember him.

Any one calls me a pessimist, i rebut that by saying thats whay a fool calls a realist. i want NY to win as bad as anyone, and i want it now but it wont happen now. We don't have the pieces, and please with th 1999 garbage it's 2003. That the knicks problem management and fans we base our current success, on the past, instead of moving foward, or changing approaches.

Some of you front running generation xer's who are into instant everything, need to go eat your instant cup a soup and your instant MAC -N- CHEESE because if it doesn't happen when "YOU" want it to you act like you're the owner or something and heads are gonna roll. Just put bags over your heads because you're ashame of your team obviously. Good things come to those who wait! Stop watching them that's all I can say. NEXT QUESTION

too true, tkf

Posted by ARES:

first off sub zero, it's knicks fans like you keeps financing this mediocrity. you let a anomaly season put blinders over your eyes. maybe you think that the nba will go on strike every season , play 50 game season, a playoffs with almost no rest between games,a 8th seed beating a one seed. and marcus camby catching ligthing in a botle again. GET OVER IT. that was a dream season, it would or never happen with out a lucky bounce from houston , and terry porter kicking the ball out his hands. you saw what happened the next few season but i thought every year you believe the knicks had a good shot.

Now NEC the eastern conference has sucked for year and any year Michael jordan was home The east got whipped. the the east were a bunch of fundamentally flawed teams, and quite ignorant an the knicks were on top of that list. you had a power foward who couldn't make a layup (my it's funny how things dont change), A CBA two guard who dunks so infrequently they made a poster and a big deal out of the last dunk. they tried to say it was over four bulls..lol. I think it was the only time a knick ever dunked in the 90's cause we got nothing from a highly overrated small foward CLUTZ Charles smith, and a good player at center who relied on a jumper, and one knee. A center who regulary let Rick Smits take his cookies. A center who let a 6'6 guard named jordan punk him on the regular. decent talent+no heart and no rings means a good player. Superstar..please. three season later people don't even remember him.

Any one calls me a pessimist, i rebut that by saying thats whay a fool calls a realist. i want NY to win as bad as anyone, and i want it now but it wont happen now. We don't have the pieces, and please with th 1999 garbage it's 2003. That the knicks problem management and fans we base our current success, on the past, instead of moving foward, or changing approaches.

Thank you. This post hits everything on the nose it is everything I believe to be true about the Knicks. I might disagree with you on PE he was everything the Knicks needed. The NYK organization never gave him the big name superstar to go with him when they got them Spree, Houston it was the down turn in his career. I see a player in todays game headed in the same direction as Pat Ewing and that player is KG. He single handed takes his team to the playoffs year in and year out but you know the team isn't good enough to win a championship.

Posted by playa2:

Listen to your comments, at least Blazers made the playoffs with 100mil payroll. Do you think their fans are tired of seeing them make the post season(moral victories) or are they like "True Knick Fans" who want to see NY make the playoffs every yr. NOBODY WHO IS A TRUE FAN OF ANY TEAM WANTS TO SEE THEIR TEAM MISS THE POST SEASON! You guys are weird! Nobody still addressed the issue if other teams lost their best player would they make the playoffs?

[Edited by - PLAYA2 on 06/20/2003 10:34:16]

[Edited by - PLAYA2 on 06/20/2003 10:35:54]

playa you are being foolish man. The blazers competed well in a tough western conference, at least they can do that with their payroll, the knicks haven't done squat with a higher payroll and a much weaker east... I would take the blazers over this team right now fool!!!

Chucky - Love to hear ya preaching patience. Considering NY is going on 30 years without a championship, exactly at what point are you 'true fans' going to start getting upset?

Hey, isn't it time for your yearly pre-season excuses for the Knicks failing to win?

Playa, I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous that statement is... first, get the facts straight... KG signed at the absolute top of the market... right before the MAX went into affect. As a result of luck of timing, the guys that signed that year, got the best contracts.

Your theory of taking all the money, so none was left for the rest of the team is naive... both players got in before the NBA MAXED its players out.

Posted by ARES:

first off sub zero, it's knicks fans like you keeps financing this mediocrity. you let a anomaly season put blinders over your eyes. maybe you think that the nba will go on strike every season , play 50 game season, a playoffs with almost no rest between games,a 8th seed beating a one seed. and marcus camby catching ligthing in a botle again. GET OVER IT. that was a dream season, it would or never happen with out a lucky bounce from houston , and terry porter kicking the ball out his hands. you saw what happened the next few season but i thought every year you believe the knicks had a good shot.

Now NEC the eastern conference has sucked for year and any year Michael jordan was home The east got whipped. the the east were a bunch of fundamentally flawed teams, and quite ignorant an the knicks were on top of that list. you had a power foward who couldn't make a layup (my it's funny how things dont change), A CBA two guard who dunks so infrequently they made a poster and a big deal out of the last dunk. they tried to say it was over four bulls..lol. I think it was the only time a knick ever dunked in the 90's cause we got nothing from a highly overrated small foward CLUTZ Charles smith, and a good player at center who relied on a jumper, and one knee. A center who regulary let Rick Smits take his cookies. A center who let a 6'6 guard named jordan punk him on the regular. decent talent+no heart and no rings means a good player. Superstar..please. three season later people don't even remember him.

Any one calls me a pessimist, i rebut that by saying thats whay a fool calls a realist. i want NY to win as bad as anyone, and i want it now but it wont happen now. We don't have the pieces, and please with th 1999 garbage it's 2003. That the knicks problem management and fans we base our current success, on the past, instead of moving foward, or changing approaches.

Of Course the Knicks suck Ares, no one is disputing that. The salaries suck, the defense sucks, the offense sucks, the whole situation is disgusting. But there is nothing to be gained by being bitter about it. All you can do now is work with the positives. Albeit they are few and far between any idiot can see that.

The point im trying to make is that there is hope and its a lot sooner than many may think. Playa2 hit the nail on the head when he noted that if you take the best player away from any team and they would do a lot worse than the knicks did. Look at the Spurs who lost David Robinson for a season and they ended up with one of the worst records that year. Yes it was by design, but thats what happenes when you lose a player like Dyess for a year. Even if he does play a little this year, so what, next year he's off the books. Thats when we look towards signing a big name and the free agent class of '04-'05 is going to leave us with a lot of options. We arent that far away from a title.

Im not saying we should have tanked last season, but perhaps we should have taken last season as an opportunity to develop some of our young talent.

In a year or two some of the other bloated contracts are off and we are in a better position to sign superior talent to what we currently have.

Some seem to believe that scrapping the whole team and DEPENDING on the lottery and a couple of free agents here and there are going to be able to give us a chance at a title but this inclination does not work. Teams like the Clippers and Bulls are finding out the hard way that scrapping a mediocre to bad team and building on a current team is better than scraping everthing a starting with a clean slate. If you think waiting for the finals this long is bad believe me scraping the team and rebuilding from nothing is an even longer wait. Yes its possible to win again from a scraping project but the same can be accomplished by building on what we have and in half the time.

I dont know about you but i want to see a championship in my lifetime!

vmart,here is my ewing and those knicks point. no doubt Ewing was a fine player, no doubt that team had some success. but were they a championship contender, not in my opinion. we got a great illustration of todays NETS and Pistons. Are they Good yeah they are good. but realistally can they win a Championship nah...not as long as the west have the big three in place, SA, LA and SAC. Those knicks were a mirage.

Ewing I'm not blaming the guy for not winning a champoinship. Alot of people try to diffuse my statement about ewing using that case. and thats not the issue at all. I know that team wasn't good enough. But my critique was on Patricks GAME and personality. Patrick, the most talented knick was never the heart of the knicks, never jumped in a superstars face, never knocked a hot shooting star down with a rough foul, never really dominated a meaninful game,often got dominated by players with less talent. cartwrights' the smits,davis boy's you name it. he relied on the jump shot way too much. He just never brought it never got nasty with it. WHEN IT COUNTED. he contributed in big game, but for the life of me i cant EVER rememeber patrick doing what TIM did against the lakers in game 6.

so to label this man a Superstar is unfair to the jordans,magic's bird's russells,wilts,kareems,shaq,timmy's,olajuwons,eTC

Saying all that he was a very good player in the nba. no doubt.

Agree 100 pct on KG, but kg is smart i think he is gone