Posted by oohah:

Posted by BlueSeats:

oohah, Crawford say Isiah was courting him before he was the Knicks GM.

Okay, even if that is true, it doesn't make Crawford not the Allan Houston backup plan.

I.E. I like this kid Crawford, he will be able to step in if Houston goes down.

Personally, I've never cared for Crawford's game. I like shooting guards who's main skill is shooting, not dribbling.

If I were Isiah, I would make Crawford watch 4 hours of Mitch Richmond and Reggie Lewis footage every day.

oohah

I'm going off my not the greatest memory, but I think it was when JC first arrived here he said that Isiah had told him a couple of time that he liked his game and would like to coach him some day. I'm assuming Isiah was with Indy at the time.

It's not here nor there. Isiah came in making changes Willie Nillie. He supposedly took on Marbury because, before taking proper inventory, he thought Houston was well. The a few months later he took on Crawford because he thought Houston wasn't well?

I just don't think it was all about Houston, I think he just wanted the chance to bring in his type of players. There's no guarantees he'd have even retained Houston off his prime. I know people will say that Dolan loved Houston, but he loved Ward and Kurt too (the god squad) and they didn't last long either.

The point is (and I don't think you dispute this, but it's hard to tell the way conversations sometimes go) this is Isiah's team through and through now, and he's accountable. Whatever his mindset may have been at any given time doesn't change that.

It's not here nor there. Isiah came in making changes Willie Nillie. He supposedly took on Marbury because, before taking proper inventory, he thought Houston was well. The a few months later he took on Crawford because he thought Houston wasn't well?

The point is (and I don't think you dispute this, but it's hard to tell the way conversations sometimes go) this is Isiah's team through and through now, and he's accountable. Whatever his mindset may have been at any given time doesn't change that.

Posted by bigbeast:

Blue, you make some good points, but I'm not so sure that Jamal was Isiahs main target over VC, SAR etc. I just think Jamal was the most gettable. Chicago literally dumped him for salary purposes and to clear the deck for Gordon.

Getting VC, Sheed and others would have taken more than expiring contracts and throw ins which is what we got Craw for. From what I understand, the Marbury trade was pretty much set up by Layden and Isiah just took control of the wheel and drove that trade home.

Not trying to defend Isiah, but at that time, it seems as if he was going to grab whatever he could grab for Laydens players.

Posted by Bippity10:

Let's assume Isiah was handicapped. How do you explain the following:

1.)No shot blocking, countered by no perimeter defense
2.)Two low post threats and no PG
3.)Two low post threats and 3 combo guards that shoot first
4.)Two low post threats and no outside shooting
5.)On those days that Q and "the Mayor" are on IR we do not have one two way player on the active roster
6.)No proven winners producing regularly
7.)Leading a coach out with security guards
8.)10+ high turnover guys added to the roster in his tenure
9.)Not one proven stopper added
10.) The poorest defensive squad NY has ever seen
11.) Full MLE's for JJ and JJ2
12.) Giving up lottery picks for 2 offense only players

I could go on and on and on. It's one thing to be handicapped. It's one thing to use unconventional methods to obtain a core. It's another thing to disregard every proven step to building a contending team. No defense, no two way players, high turnovers, what does he expect to win? 40 games? Is that the goal you have resigned yourself too?