Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:

This is really just sad now. It's one thing for the team to be this bad, but why is it now necessary for so many of us to be painting such a false picture of what others have been saying. No one has ever mentioned championships. The only thing we've been looking for is that this team can make progress from the year before and make the playoffs. There were no higher expectations before the season or during it. The goal for this season remains the same. Let's not try to create opinons that never existed.

This team came into the season needing to improve and wasnt a finished title contending product. It's an outright lie to suggest that anyone here felt differently. Being optimistic isn't the same as saying we expect a title contender. What's wrong with taking steps each season towards improving the roster? I felt we did that and I still feel that we did and we should expect this team to be playing much better than this. After 10 games are you all suggesting that it's impossible now?

As for what track we're supposed to be on, i'd say where the team was before the injuries last year. The team was improving each month up until that happened. This team should be capable of playing .500 ball or better with the talent we have.

Give us a break Nixluva. Just be a man.

Be a man about what? I am being a man. A man sticks by what he says. I haven't changed. What exactly are you talking about?

Now you're just twisting in the wind.

It's kind of pathetic to be honest.

Nix, put down the mouse, and step away from the computer.
Slowly.... slowly....

Seriously Nix, I think if they get a stabilizing presence at the PG they can play much better than they have been playing now. I'll agree with you there.
Marbs gotta go. He's a team killer. Any idiot can recognize that.

Question is, where do we go from there. We still have serious deficiencies that Isiah has shown that he is not the guy to rectify.



[Edited by - panos on 21-11-2007 3:56 PM]

Nix: The pessimism doesn't come from people who think that this team can't play any better than they are playing "right now". It doesn't even come from people who think this team can't get it together and play better than last year. That's what we all predicted. The pessimism comes from many of us looking at the roster, seeing no defenders, questionable attitudes, no balance, no shooters, no shotblockers, no leaders, no two way players. So many key things missing that we know the only way to really contend(and not pretend) is by overhauling the roster YET AGAIN.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 4:03 PM]

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TMS:

it's OK to be wrong & own up to it... u gain more respect that way than to keep trying to spin your way out of any arguments presented against you... i don't see how anyone could possibly think this collection of players is in a position to improve as a unit w/o any major tinkering done to revamp the personnel & management.

WHAT SPIN? If I said that I expect this team to be above .500 and to make the playoffs that's how I feel about the team. I don't agree with the job Isiah has done, that's not spin. IMO there's no reason for me to accept that this team can't play much better than this. Flawed as they are, STILL they should play better than this. There are a lot of flawed teams in the league and they manage to win games. This team should not be as bad as they've looked in the last few games. I'm not changing my tune i'm sticking by my opinion and when this team is playing better i'll be vindicated. I don't care if the entire forum changes it's tune that's not gonna make me change my assessment of this teams potential and my expectations for what they should do.

Nix, what happened to your passion to re-sign Marbury AFTER his contract is up? What about him having 5 more years at a top tier level of play? What about your opinion he could bring LEADERSHIP to the team? What about you thinking Curry would add 3 rebounds and 1 block to his stats while bringing good defense? What about your inflated 46 win prediction?

Out of curiosity, how many of those do you still believe? It seems like you're always the last to catch on.

Some of y'all belong in H.S. with your attempts at personal attacks disguised as "commentary." I'm disappointed that this is even allowed. Really juvenile. Using one's "Sense of humor" to mock and humiliate another is seriously 12 year old mentality nonsense, and I know I have been a teacher for 7th graders.

I'm curious if you would consider doing this in person.

Posted by Bippity10:

Nix: The pessimism doesn't come from people who think that this team can't play any better than they are playing "right now". It doesn't even come from people who think this team can't get it together and play better than last year. That's what we all predicted. The pessimism comes from many of us looking at the roster, seeing no defenders, questionable attitudes, no balance, no shooters, no shotblockers, no leaders, no two way players. So many key things missing that we know the only way to really contend(and not pretend) is by overhauling the roster YET AGAIN.

I don't know if I agree with the roster overhaul. At best you're really talking about 3 players. Steph, Jamal & Q. I think that we need to do what we already anticipated doing and that is find a PG for the future of this team. Look to develop Chan and Balkman to take over the SF position.

Jamal off the bench wouldn't be bad, but as our starter he's not consistent enough. Tho I also think he's not being coached well right now. You have to make things simpe for him. He's had it right in the 1st 3 games and once we started losing, it seems like he's been told not to look for his offense. He has to be aggressive or else you get nothing from him. He's not a defensive player, so he has to be scoring and making plays for him to be beneficial for this team.

Even looking to find a Shotblocking big to bring into the mix. There's nothing wrong with the role players we have. I don't even have a problem with Zach, Lee and Curry if the rest of the roster is improved. Clearing out players who have no purpose is a good idea, if that's part of what you mean.

Posted by Bippity10:

Nix is under the impression that we will simply forget the things he says. I'm still holding on to some of the names he called me when I asked the Knick hating question "what if Stephon and Stevie" doesn't work. He hates when I bring that up.

Hey I publicly apologized to you for anything I said that was offensive to you. If you're now saying that you never accepted that apology that's a poor way to handle things. Why not say so back then? I'm not holding on to anything that anyone has said about me and there have been FAR more nasty things said to me than i've actually said to any of you. You guys are going back TWO YEARS in some cases.

Some of you are actually embellishing my statements to make them sound worse and that I don't feel is right. If you're not going to actually post what I said, don't paraphrase, cuz all you guys do is add your own thoughts to the statements and it's not fair to me or anyone else to present your words as mine. I want Andrew and Martin to address this, cuz I don't think that is the proper way to deal with each other on a forum.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Bippity10:

Nix is under the impression that we will simply forget the things he says. I'm still holding on to some of the names he called me when I asked the Knick hating question "what if Stephon and Stevie" doesn't work. He hates when I bring that up.

Hey I publicly apologized to you for anything I said that was offensive to you. If you're now saying that you never accepted that apology that's a poor way to handle things. Why not say so back then? I'm not holding on to anything that anyone has said about me and there have been FAR more nasty things said to me than i've actually said to any of you. You guys are going back TWO YEARS in some cases.

Some of you are actually embellishing my statements to make them sound worse and that I don't feel is right. If you're not going to actually post what I said, don't paraphrase, cuz all you guys do is add your own thoughts to the statements and it's not fair to me or anyone else to present your words as mine. I want Andrew and Martin to address this, cuz I don't think that is the proper way to deal with each other on a forum.

I have not embellished one word. Not one. Maybe somebody else has. But I have not embellished one word

I have accepted your apology and hold nothing against you. I have even gone on record saying that I respect you for sticking with your guns(although you have wavered recently whether you want to admit it or not). But I got no problem ribbing you for being so wrong on this. I still get made fun of for calling Michael Sweetney the next Elton Brand. Of course I meant in style of play, but that never stopped people from ribbing me about it. I guess one of the differences is that I didn't call them haters and Celtic fans for not agreeing with my assessment

I love you Nix. I really do. But suck it up. You have been going at people for years now for predicting exactly what is occuring now, so deal with the backlash. If this team turns it around and wins the 46 games you predicted I will personally support you in your counterattacks. Deal?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 21-11-2007 5:05 PM]

Here's an example of Nixluva from last off-season. He's gonna HAMMER the Marbury detractors:


7-11-2006

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by nixluva:


MAN I CAN'T WAIT for the season to start cuz i'm gonna HAMMER all you guys who actually think that Steph can't win. I LOVE how you guys want to minimize what success he did have by saying he lost on the 1st rd. Its not about what Steph does or doesn't do. Its about what the rest of the team does. If Curry was plying up to his potential, QRich, Jamal etc things would've been better. This year Curry, Frye, Lee and Nate will be better and I expect better From Steph, Jamal, QRich and Francis if he's still here. There's no way that this team is anywhere near as bad as they looked last year. I think in retrospect that LB was the wrong guy for this team and he has long since stopped being the coach he used to be

Doesn't it say something in and of itself that in his 11th season he still has to prove he isn't a "loser" and a "cancer?"

Maybe someday the guy will go far in some diminished role, but the days of him as a team leader are dwindling fast. I've seen him add nothing new to his repertoire in years, while his athleticism is diminishing quickly.

Realistically what we're hoping for with this guy is that Isiah can build a team to carry Steph faster than Steph can break it apart.

I know how it goes cause I've seen it before. Everyone trumpets Marbury's greatness just before the crash.

In 02-03 he had a nice playoff spurt but quickly in 03-04 he gets dumped for expiring contracts and picks.
In '04-05 NYers were proclaiming him the best PG in the league, until he did the same for himself and we finished 17-39.
In 05-06 all the 'haters' were being called out after we won 3 games in a row, then we finished with 23 wins and 59 losses.

I can't wait to see what little it takes before you start to HAMMER people over this guy.