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misterearl
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11/14/2007  3:28 PM
One thing is certain. Zach Randolph is not around to snatch rebounds from David Lee's hands as someone suggested last week.
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11/14/2007  3:29 PM
who WAS that anyway?

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11/14/2007  3:34 PM
That was me and I stand by that.

Not saying it was a terrible thing, just didn't get why he would fight for rebounds with Lee instead of just running down the court, it still makes no sense to me.

Plus, Lee has been rebounding with or without Randolph, it is his offense that has been bad. Why should I be ashamed for saying that?



[Edited by - s3231 on 11-14-2007 3:41 PM]
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11/14/2007  3:48 PM
His rebounding rate is way down. In particular it is his offensive rebounds that are down, which is a really good reflection of what we have been watching. No player really takes an offensive rebound away from another player.

His finishing, also, has not been as explosive. His fg% is down, but part of that is that he is making more posts moves, and not just finishing around the basket like he did last year. However, the other part is that he has not been as explosive with his finishing which is the same problem with his rebounding.
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11/14/2007  3:48 PM
s3231 - you 'manned up' and for that I commend you

great rebounders fight for every ball. That's what they do. They don't check license plates.
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11/14/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by misterearl:

s3231 - you 'manned up' and for that I commend you

great rebounders fight for every ball. That's what they do. They don't check license plates.

I agree with you on that. I just don't get why you go for the rebound if the other guy basically has it in his hands (especially if the guy is already known as a good rebounder), it just wastes time. Maybe its just me, but I'd rather have Zach running down the court in those situations then grappling with Lee for a rebound.
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11/14/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by Cash:

His rebounding rate is way down. In particular it is his offensive rebounds that are down, which is a really good reflection of what we have been watching. No player really takes an offensive rebound away from another player.

His finishing, also, has not been as explosive. His fg% is down, but part of that is that he is making more posts moves, and not just finishing around the basket like he did last year. However, the other part is that he has not been as explosive with his finishing which is the same problem with his rebounding.

I agree with you on that offensive rebounding part, I think that has to do with him not getting that same lift when he jumps that he did last year (I think something is going on with him physically). As far as the rebounding thing with Zach, I had only noticed that on some occasions on the defensive end. I definitely don't think anyone is stealing rebounds from Lee on the offensive end.

Either way though, I think Lee has still been a solid rebounder with or without Zach so far. He's not at the level he was at last season, but he has been pretty solid in that area so far.

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11/14/2007  4:01 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:


Honestly I think some of you guys have been slurping down a little too much David Lee juice.


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11/14/2007  4:03 PM
Let's face it, David Lee has caught the Knicks "suck" disease, just like every other Knick . It'll get Zach too, just you wait and see.
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11/14/2007  4:03 PM
Until the curse is lifted from the Garden.
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11/14/2007  4:54 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

BasketballJones - you ever heard of a sophomore slump?

junior slump, right?
I look at it as his sophomore year. The reason is Larry Brown did not really give him playing time. Last year Isiah gave Lee almost 30 minutes a game. Compared to Magoo giving Lee only like 15 minutes per game. That a big difference. In Lee's second (third year) year players are looking out for him. They are looking to make sure he does not get easy buckets.


[Edited by - BigC on 11-14-2007 5:24 PM]
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11/14/2007  4:55 PM
I personally don't think Lee is hurt. I just don't think he's playing that well.
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Posted by Bippity10:

I personally don't think Lee is hurt. I just don't think he's playing that well.

Because he sucks, right?
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11/14/2007  5:06 PM
Posted by playa2:

Lee is the hero to many knick fans don't forget that main factor.

He has a motor , but it has too much water in it now.


I put his motor under the athleticism factor. Certainly there are a ton of athletic players who don't have the motor of lee, so perhaps that generalization is not a great one, as motor can vary quite a bit when considering athletic players.

For example, Balkman's motor is off the charts. Balkman is very similar to Rodman in that respect. Lee has always been a step down from Balkman as far as motor. At the other end of the spectrum there are a ton of athletic players who can do a ton of things, but just are not as active as balkman or even lee.

So, perhaps, the better way to say it is something is wrong with lee's motor. Which I think relates back to his situaiton on this team.
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11/14/2007  5:07 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

BasketballJones - you ever heard of a sophomore slump?

junior slump, right?
I look at it as his sophomore year. The reason is Larry Brown did not really give him playing time. Last year Isiah gave Lee almost 30 minutes a game. Compared to Magoo giving Lee only like 15 minutes per game. That a big difference. In Lee's second (third year) year players are look out for him. They are looking to make sure he does not get easy buckets.


How many rookies play 30 mins a game?
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11/14/2007  5:09 PM
Lee is shooting 44% which sucks. Same as Zach, and above Jamal, Steph, and Quentin. He is getting 8 rebounds a game, and 9 points and plays 26 minutes a game. He is a role player and doesnt even start but has better numbers than a lot of guys on the team. Dont expect a double-double out of a guy in 25 minutes. Give him Curry and Zach minutes and you get 12-10 every night. I think he needs to lose some weight which he will and shots arent falling missed a lot of chippies. Just go back to hard work and things will get better for him
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11/14/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by s3231:

I disagree with the whole David Lee is being exposed sentiment.

He is getting very good looks offensively and just isn't finishing like he was last season.

From what I've seen, it looks like a physical thing to me (whether he hasn't recovered fully or simply needs to lose some weight like King said). Of course, I don't really know whats going on with him so I can't say for sure.

No. He is jumping at the same height as he was last year. Teams are not sleeping on him. How long do you think it takes for Lee to recover? He was jumping out of the gym in June. Now all of a sudden he is injured? Jamal was injuried and has returned. Some even felt that Lee could have played last season, but did not want to go into his contract year hurt. Especially for a team like the Knicks that were going no where last year.

Not only did Knicks fans hype him up, but the NBA was talking about him. And I don't blame team. Lee was doing work last year. Other players at his position look at that. So when they play against him they are like,"I'm going to shut this Mother****** up." He scores a lot of points from wide open dunks and fast breaks. You really think a guy like Shawn Marion, or
Udonis Haslem his going to let Lee go buck wild? I don't think so. These are defensive minded players. Our opponents are sometimes many of the pf's that do not leave their man open. So what are Lee's chances of a having a moster game if his man does not leave him open, or get beat for the cut to the basket?

Another reason why you are also seeing Lee get blocked is because he likes to dunk with two hands. IF Lee is running on a break he can throw it down on almost anyone. However, he trying to dunk the ball off the vertical in the halfcourt when his vertical leap was never that high. He needs a running start. This is why you are seeing players block his shot left and right. Lee needs to go for the one hand dunk.

Until Lee adds more to his game he will keep on having a slump. Especially if the guards are not penetrating.

These are all the things I notice about Lee. Now imagine opponents that watch flim all day. Guys like Marion who have tapes on how to shut down Lee?

I remember watching KG during preseason before the Knicks game. He was pointing out how he was going to stop Lee and Zach. He even pointed to the flim at what point Lee was going to try to go in the post and spin back to do a move.
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11/14/2007  5:31 PM
Bigc, let me ask you this question.

Do you think Lee is flying through the air getting rebounds like he did the previous two years?

I am watching these games and I do not think he is. Your argument about players playing through injuries might have merit. Other players play through injuries. However, Lee's game essentially depends on his motor and athleticism. Lee is not long and he is not tall. His game depends on his motor.
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11/14/2007  5:36 PM
Lee had 14 points and 14 rebounds against Haslem on Sunday and battled the whole game. Lee isnt making shots and that is his fault not the defender he is getting good shots. He needs to average 3 offensive rebounds a game and is blocking more shots than Curry and Randolph even though that isnt a lot. IMO he need to shed some weight he put on to bulk up and he will be fine. Same thing happened at Florida his soph year and he fixed it. If you play him 30 minutes this year he put up the same numbers as he did last year.
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11/14/2007  5:37 PM
Didnt David have 16 point and 13 boards against Boston in that game?
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