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MS
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11/13/2007  10:33 AM
Image is everything?

Again, laughable. Sprewell was late for a few meetings and was lit up by Dolan, but the guy played hard every game and didn't take plays off. One of the prouder moments when he lit the knicks up and told dolan to go **** himself. Dolan is a small petty fan, who wanted a team to act a certain way but let's see who we have.

A coach with the worst image in the entire NBA who is responsible for bringing in Marbury and is responsible for Marbury's cousins and turning MSG into the most disgraceful oraganization in pro ball. None of the players care, you bring in zach who was cited for raping a women, knocking out teammates, bring in cancers to polute the young guys, and this guy still has a job. Lets not make this job out to be the toughest position in all of sports, everyone should be removed, mills, isiah, etc.
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11/13/2007  10:41 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

nixluva, if you've ever had a failing it's been your inability to even consider the enviro-chemical reactions between players, and how toxic they can become. Marbury scowling around under a towel, sucking on sour grapes, is not conducive to this team developing the winning mood and direction so desperately needed.

Marbury is like a clogged toilet. Making the team keep using a clogged bowl is one approach, but not a very good one. Clearing the clog makes a lot more sense. It's time for fresh air.

It's not that I don't understand the chemistry issues, I just don't think they're an issue if the team is winning. Only when it's losing. PHX had no problems with Steph when the team was winning. In fact Colangelo is the one that signed Steph just before the season started to the Big extension he's on now. A couple of months later they did a complete about face and i'm tellin you that it was due to the team getting off to a slower than expected start. Then once Amare went down they totally rethought the whole thing and made a change. Here we've never gotten a chance to experience any winning, but Just imagine if H2O had been able to play and this team made a few playoffs. That would've changed the perception totally.

Now i'm not saying and didn't say that we SHOULDN'T trade Steph. Go back and read what I said. It's more about the difficulty in making a deal for a guy in his situation. If he's going to be here there's a way to make use of his skills and diminish his role so that this team can win. I don't think that it's an either/or type situation. There's an inbetween and it's the most realistic option, cuz I doubt that a deal that's good for us can be made. We've got the rest of this season and next and I don't believe dealing him while we're in turmoil makes any sense. Cut his minutes if you have to, but do what you can to get this team playing well again and then look to make your deal.

That still doesn't address the Jamal issue, which is almost equally important! Do we stick with this guy or look for something better?
MS
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11/13/2007  10:44 AM
You get rid of Crawford because he sucks for half the season and it kills the team he is a dumb player that is way to turnover prone and when you don't play d and your shot selection is horrible you don't need players like that
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11/13/2007  10:46 AM
Posted by MS:

One of the prouder moments when he lit the knicks up and told dolan to go **** himself.

As much as I loved Spree on the Knicks, as soon as he was traded he became an enemy. I don't see that as a proud moment at all - it was a disgrace. For once I agree with IT - that never should have happened on our floor. I wanted someone to knock him out in the worst way.
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11/13/2007  10:48 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I'm just not gonna get all worked up by this kind of thing. It is clear that Steph is winding down, but the idea that we're gonna move him seems far fetched. WHO in their right mind would bring him in now at this advanced age, with his contract and with his history? I think this is another big guess by a writer who won't face any embarrassment if it doesn't happen. Who ever goes back and chastises these guys when they write junk and it turns out to have no basis in truth?

Dude the article highlights that moving him is unlikely good grief. There talking about speculation of a buyout or reduced role. In which I aptly called for a buyout of him 2yrs ago and too late we may be because if this would have happened we'd be further along. And when Dolan is meeting with I SAY UGH after "just 5gms" as you like to crutch when you read the unrest after games then what does that say about the seriousness of not possible roster moves/adjustments but the season and this tenure overall? Remember when Dolan met with the team in San Antonio during the Brown stint? The dude was actively seeking some change, it happened to be Larry. If a few more losses like the other day happen expect some rock shaking moves.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/13/2007  10:50 AM
This guy should have never been brought here in the first place. He is a lifetime loser. The guy is a joke in the NBA as a PG. He has no leadership skills, or floor generalaship. It is a mockery of the position that he makes kind of money to run the point. Another reason, i cant wait for Isiah to get canned. Bring a GM in here that will bring us players that play Defense. That all i want right now. Then agian our best defensive player is balman and he has played 24 minutes the last 2 games combined.
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11/13/2007  10:51 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Panos - who said I was excited?

I'm just following a developing non-story with my personal spin. Anyone who was not disappointed with the Miami loss simply has detached their emotions enough to not care about the Knicks. I happen to care.

If you grade the performances against the first 5 sets of opposing guards, there may be some trends, especially on defense, that indicate trouble. Steve Nash won't help that.

If a discussion about Marbury is on the table, for a trade or (cough) buyout, it only confirms that money ain't the issue.

Or that Marbury is SUCH a problem that they are willing to bite the bullet.
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11/13/2007  10:53 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

you gotta love working for dolan.

when you're on his good side, you can do whatever you want.
but when you're not, you can't do sh t and stuff is taken away from you.

i'd like to reflect a bit on the marbury era in ny...

- katrina
- faloup
- escape goat
- juice card
- starbury
- the starbury movement
- bitch, not black bitch
- get in the truck
- i need me some more of that

what are you fondest marbury memories?


I'm The Best
Youthier
LB made me a Better Man
Nah I won't Give Him That Much Credit
LB Is Insecure
Kurt Thomas wanting to Kick his Arse
Q Still wanting to kick his Arse
We should run Uptmepo
Deciding not to Shoot in Orlando
Being one of The Shaken in the locker room last yr
Wanting to play in Italy
Mike'd Up
Marbury Sermon


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-13-2007 09:55 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/13/2007  10:54 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Cosmic - I feel you

Marbury and Nate for Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak

Me likey. I think this is a good trade for Seattle.
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11/13/2007  10:55 AM
joe, i only see Miami or LA as realistic according to your proposals.
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11/13/2007  11:07 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Image Is Everything

nixluva - it's not simply Steph's performance but it's the perception that concens Dolan the most. Dolan is all about image because as a salesman he understands image is more important that wins. If Marbury does not excel on the court, Dolan has no use for him.

Marv Albert, one of the greatest broadcasters of all time, was not canned for his performance but his image.

When Spree and Camby violated the house media policy, they were gone because of image. Not their peformance. Spree and Camby (especially) both had tread left on the tires. Visualize Camby and Zach Randolph in the frontcourt with David Lee.

When Patrick TALKED about his money he was gone because of image. Same with Larry Brown talking to the media and other NBA teams. Image. Larry Gotta go.

you think Dolan has heard enough wisecracks from fans about Marbury from his choice seats?

Image

Nice theory - so why Isiah is still around?
His image is not even bad - it's a piece of trash.
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JrZyHuStLa
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11/13/2007  11:09 AM
This is the best thing/rumor I've heard about the Knicks in a longgg time. Of course, Isiah's dismissal can top that.
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11/13/2007  11:09 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

The hills are alive with the sound of music...


ROFL!!!
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11/13/2007  11:13 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Image Is Everything

nixluva - it's not simply Steph's performance but it's the perception that concens Dolan the most. Dolan is all about image because as a salesman he understands image is more important that wins. If Marbury does not excel on the court, Dolan has no use for him.

Marv Albert, one of the greatest broadcasters of all time, was not canned for his performance but his image.

When Spree and Camby violated the house media policy, they were gone because of image. Not their peformance. Spree and Camby (especially) both had tread left on the tires. Visualize Camby and Zach Randolph in the frontcourt with David Lee.

When Patrick TALKED about his money he was gone because of image. Same with Larry Brown talking to the media and other NBA teams. Image. Larry Gotta go.

you think Dolan has heard enough wisecracks from fans about Marbury from his choice seats?

Image

Isiah Thomas isn't going anywhere no time soon.

Way to stay consistent misterearl.
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TrueBlue
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11/13/2007  11:16 AM
With this news there's no doubt Nash has an Epic night tonight. Marbury needs to do what he does best, bail out, fake some injury, and sit this one out tonight to speed up the process.
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/13/2007  11:19 AM
TruckBury gone? No way. Stephon+Isiah+Steve+Dolan = Knicks
(Knicks - Stephon) = not Knicks anymore.
https:// It's not so hard.
JrZyHuStLa
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11/13/2007  11:19 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

With this news there's no doubt Nash has an Epic night tonight. Marbury needs to do what he does best, bail out, fake some injury, and sit this one out tonight to speed up the process.

You think the best PG in the NBA is going to back down easily from a lousy 2 time MVP ?
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11/13/2007  11:20 AM
I mean, come on.
Who would we make fun of
Without Stephon?
https:// It's not so hard.
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11/13/2007  11:20 AM
I have some other idea about this.
I think Steph is the one who start the ball rolling.
He probably informed Isiah that he is planning to quit the season for major surgery or just want out.
Any other scenario looks unlikely.

It will be smart for him to sleep into the shadows for a year, then opt-out to retire in Italy.
Perfect plan in my opinion.
Earl - am I stating the obvious again?


[Edited by - arkrud on 11-13-2007 11:20 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-13-2007 11:20 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-13-2007 11:21 AM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 11-13-2007 11:21 AM]
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11/13/2007  11:21 AM
Posted by Panos:

joe, i only see Miami or LA as realistic according to your proposals.

In all honesty, I only see the ATL and LA ones as realistic.
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