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how did you perceive last night's win vs. the wolves?


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11/5/2007  4:01 PM
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who has/had the bigger ego:

Kobe or Jordan?
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11/5/2007  4:02 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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^ I have no idea what you just said.


I think he's saying is all that matters are wins.

Until we lose -- then all that matters is that we have The Mayor.


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11/5/2007  5:00 PM
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11/5/2007  5:05 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

first unit goes down to the opposing team's first unit. 2nd unit re-energizes the team and brings them back. then it comes down to the wire where nobody can stop nobody and hope crawford can take over. i've seen this game many times over the past 12 months.


That's how I see it too.

Jamal seems to be playing closer to the rim this year, which I'm very happy to see, last year the 3-pointer was his weapon of choice. In a season that we won 33 games, giving us a .402 win percentage, we went 14-8 for a .636 percentage when Jamal shot .340+ from 3-point land.

The point being, we do well when Jamal is hot, and poor when he's not. I was told he shot 55% last night. How many games a year can we count on a career .400 shooter shooting .550?

The fact is every team needs a finisher, a guy who gets open and can take the last shot...The great Chicago teams had a guy name Jordan...Dallas don't have such a player...Spurs has Parker...We have Jamal and soon we can add Zack in terms of taking the last shot....

My problem with expecting a blowout is that one local newspaper guy says the Knicks shoud win by 20...Everyone jumps on the bandwagon...The coach told his team this will be a close game because Minny is a tremendous offensive rebounding team...He said this will not be a blowout...But we all here believe the guy who knows little about the game...We evaluate the outcome based on the expectations of a beat writer...

I thought it should have been an easier game for the Knicks but I didn't expect a blowout...
We got the win and that's what is important...





[Edited by - holfresh on 11-05-2007 5:18 PM]
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11/5/2007  5:12 PM
I think the Knicks main problem in the lineup is Q. It looks like the scouting report is to go at Q because he can't play defense because he is too slow to react. Not only is he not able to guard his man but he is doing nothing on the offensive end.

Q can not pass, create space between himself and his man, does not drive to the lane, nor cut to the basket and he is not even knocking down the 3 ball. It's at a point where Q's man does not even try to guard him because they know his shot is not going to go in. Who ever guards Q is now leaving him open to double Eddy or Zach or play the passing lane (example Lebron). Q is now becoming a liability on offense and defense.

NOw the next problem is Isiah's subsitition patterns. It seems he takes out the guy who has the hot hand instead of riding the hot hand.

On a side note, Telfair is hot trash with sprinkles on top. If he was to stand on any corner the trash man would pick him up in morning with the rest of the garbage.


We won yesterday but in reality Gomes should have had 30 points but Telfair had his own plans for last nights game. For Telfair it was, "I'm going to get back at my cousin night."







[Edited by - BigC on 11-05-2007 5:15 PM]
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11/5/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

first unit goes down to the opposing team's first unit. 2nd unit re-energizes the team and brings them back. then it comes down to the wire where nobody can stop nobody and hope crawford can take over. i've seen this game many times over the past 12 months.


That's how I see it too.

Jamal seems to be playing closer to the rim this year, which I'm very happy to see, last year the 3-pointer was his weapon of choice. In a season that we won 33 games, giving us a .402 win percentage, we went 14-8 for a .636 percentage when Jamal shot .340+ from 3-point land.

The point being, we do well when Jamal is hot, and poor when he's not. I was told he shot 55% last night. How many games a year can we count on a career .400 shooter shooting .550?

The fact is every team needs a finisher, a guy who gets open and can take the last shot...The great Chicago teams had a guy name Jordan...Dallas don't have such a player...Spurs has Parker...We have Jamal and soon we can add Zack in terms of taking the last shot....

My problem with expecting a blowout is that one local newspaper guy says the Knicks shoud win by 20...Everyone jumps on the bandwagon...The coach told his team this will be a close game because Minny is a tremendous offensive rebounding team...He said this will not be a blowout...But we all here believe the guy who knows little about the game...We evaluate the outcome based on the expectations of a beat writer...

I thought it should have been an easier game for the Knicks but I didn't expect a blowout...
We got the win and that's what is important...





[Edited by - holfresh on 11-05-2007 5:18 PM]


That's fair 'fresh, and I agree about the blowout part. There is not a team in the league the Knicks can take for granted.


The thing about JC as "the closer" is the context. Too often our starters play sluggish and dig a hole, while JC and the bench are expected to climb us out. This often results in a poor shot selector having the green light to launch anything, often with poor results. It puts us in a situation where we need Jamal to be "unconscious" to have a chance, and while we know that sometimes does happen, when you consider he's a career .400 shooter, it doesn't happen often enough to count on.

It's just a low-odds formula for success.
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11/5/2007  5:43 PM
Posted by BigC:

I think the Knicks main problem in the lineup is Q. It looks like the scouting report is to go at Q because he can't play defense because he is too slow to react. Not only is he not able to guard his man but he is doing nothing on the offensive end.


The problem with a team is never "1" guy.

The solution can sometimes be......(see KG).


If 1 player is causing problems, that's b/c of lack of leadership and/or bad coaching.

Take your pick.
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11/5/2007  5:57 PM
Mike Wilbon is right

You don't know what you have in the NBA until you are 30 games into the season

If the New Knicks were at 0-3 like the Chicago Bulls there would be mass hysteria and the NY press would be licking their chops over the juicy headlines.
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11/5/2007  6:08 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Mike Wilbon is right

You don't know what you have in the NBA until you are 30 games into the season

If the New Knicks were at 0-3 like the Chicago Bulls there would be mass hysteria and the NY press would be licking their chops over the juicy headlines.


the proof is already in the pudding. just look at the personell. while all you are praying for miracles, playoff teams are built on preparation and well thought out moves.

and i'm backing that sentiment on me eating cat food so i'm confident we're looking at a lottery team.


excuse me, i should say ANOTHER lottery team.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/5/2007  6:42 PM
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I think that the Knicks are just starting to trust one another. Thats important. When Curry gets the mindset that he will do what ever it takes to win even if he is sitting on the bench and Lee, and Zach are playing great together and Curry does not get a chance to come back in and the Knicks win, thats all what should matter. With different teams we will have different matchup problems. If balkman comes back 100 percent and Q find his range we will be OK.
As for Marbs he has to accept the fact that N8 did his homework over the summer and is improving every game. If Marbs is not playing well you better believe N8 is coming in.
I truly enjoyed last nights game because its nothing like being there. The excitement and all those Knicks fan cheering lets go Knicks.

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[Edited by - Papabear on 11-05-2007 6:48 PM]
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11/5/2007  7:58 PM
Posted by BigC:

I think the Knicks main problem in the lineup is Q. It looks like the scouting report is to go at Q because he can't play defense because he is too slow to react. Not only is he not able to guard his man but he is doing nothing on the offensive end.

Q can not pass, create space between himself and his man, does not drive to the lane, nor cut to the basket and he is not even knocking down the 3 ball. It's at a point where Q's man does not even try to guard him because they know his shot is not going to go in. Who ever guards Q is now leaving him open to double Eddy or Zach or play the passing lane (example Lebron). Q is now becoming a liability on offense and defense.

NOw the next problem is Isiah's subsitition patterns. It seems he takes out the guy who has the hot hand instead of riding the hot hand.

On a side note, Telfair is hot trash with sprinkles on top. If he was to stand on any corner the trash man would pick him up in morning with the rest of the garbage.


We won yesterday but in reality Gomes should have had 30 points but Telfair had his own plans for last nights game. For Telfair it was, "I'm going to get back at my cousin night."







[Edited by - BigC on 11-05-2007 5:15 PM]

With you around, I might not have to post ever again.

How do you feel about wally z? if not realistically, how bout hypothetically? Just delete q and insert wally. I think his presence in the lineup instead of q would turn up the heat against the defense. He would supply the same d as q. Balkman would be the stopper off the bench.
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11/5/2007  8:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by BigC:

I think the Knicks main problem in the lineup is Q. It looks like the scouting report is to go at Q because he can't play defense because he is too slow to react. Not only is he not able to guard his man but he is doing nothing on the offensive end.

Q can not pass, create space between himself and his man, does not drive to the lane, nor cut to the basket and he is not even knocking down the 3 ball. It's at a point where Q's man does not even try to guard him because they know his shot is not going to go in. Who ever guards Q is now leaving him open to double Eddy or Zach or play the passing lane (example Lebron). Q is now becoming a liability on offense and defense.

NOw the next problem is Isiah's subsitition patterns. It seems he takes out the guy who has the hot hand instead of riding the hot hand.

On a side note, Telfair is hot trash with sprinkles on top. If he was to stand on any corner the trash man would pick him up in morning with the rest of the garbage.


We won yesterday but in reality Gomes should have had 30 points but Telfair had his own plans for last nights game. For Telfair it was, "I'm going to get back at my cousin night."







[Edited by - BigC on 11-05-2007 5:15 PM]

With you around, I might not have to post ever again.

How do you feel about wally z? if not realistically, how bout hypothetically? Just delete q and insert wally. I think his presence in the lineup instead of q would turn up the heat against the defense. He would supply the same d as q. Balkman would be the stopper off the bench.

Here is the thing with Wally he gets injuried too much. He is a guy that can shoot 50% which is very impressive for a sf. The thing is he is always injuried. Q has a bad back and Wally has a bad everything. If we got Wally he would drop 20 points one game. And fall down a flight of stairs the next game and be injuried for the rest of the season. Wally also has an outside shot which is a plus. Wally weakness is he can't pass, or play defense. But most of all he is injuried too much. I would rather see what Chandler can do at the sf.

But yes Wally is better than Q. It's brokeback vs busted kneecaps. And I would take Wally over Q. One thing is for sure a defender would have to guard Wally on the perimeter.

Oh let not for get that Marbury and Wally hate each other.

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11/5/2007  8:38 PM
I will choose "unsure".

There are two thoughts here:

One is that on any given night any NBA team can win a game. Our team did the necessary things to get the win. Any time the Wolves made a run we were able to counter. A couple of players had good games most notably Jamal Crawford. We hit the big shots in the 4th quarter and we got the needed stops (be it due to the Wolves taking bad shots or our team defending well) and it led to a victory. You can not discount any victory - JUST AS - you can not discount any loss (saying, oh, if we hit a FT, we would have won, so, as far as I'm concerned we won the game we lost!)

Second thought: The Wolves are a disaster - while they may remind you of that Darell Armstrong led Magic team who scrapped their way to a .500 record (I think? The year prior to the Tmac-Hill signings?) they are still considered by most a team best served to be playing in the NBDL not the NBA. So Therefore you could assume we barely squeaked past a horrendous team so other than getting the W you can NOT put ANY stock into any positives that occurred. (As if to say, we beat the Wolves, we can beat anyone).


So, well, Unsure.

Happy with the win as any fan should be yet skeptical as to what impact that has on the season itself.

Denver is going to be a good test for us. I don't expect a win but even if we lose by a few points but PLAYED HARD on both ends of the court - then - you can see a positive in it all.

My personal limit with this team this season is 15 games (All of November). If they're not at least 7-8 I am going to be highly skeptical.

As some here may know my feeling on the team is this: They have been bad for a long time, several players have never been in a winning situation if not contributing to a losing situation, so in that the team does not deserve blind faith respect - they need to earn that respect back from the fans. They win, they will get respect, they lose, they'll get the "This is going no where!" groans.

We'll see.
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11/5/2007  10:23 PM
it's still too early to judge the team but i'm encouraged by our developing draft picks and discouraged by most of our signings/trades. i don't have to name names.

i was at the game. got in an argument with the guy in front of me when i commented what a crappy game it was. "how can it be crappy if we win?" was his point. i was really encouraged during the second quarter with nate, crawford, balkman, lee, curry on the floor. we played fast, clean passes; it was good ball. i liked seeing lee get dominant with a tomahawk stuff. did anyone else see him get an assist on one end, rebound on the other, and then throw it down? but without nate/balkman/lee on the floor we play flat, no energy, booooring ...i started to nod out.

i thought it was a pretty crappy game overall with lots of sloppy play. there was a few minutes during the third when both teams were just throwing the ball up and down the court, in and out of bounds. i think q is still getting in the swing of things; i wouldn't be too worried about him. and z-bo played terrible regardless of the boxscore. i he telegraphing every move. but i guess we can throw that one up to nerves; i think he won't have a problem either.
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