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11/1/2007  1:44 PM
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btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Why would anyone hate adding the best player in modern baseball to their team?

that's exactly what i thought before he joined the team... then he pulls a grandstanding act like the one him & his agent just pulled & you see exactly what drives Arod, & that's hearing his name in the papers & on ESPN... he's an alltime great player, but be prepared to have it become a circus once he joins your team... & he's going to love every minute of it.

The Yankees were a circus long before Arod came on board. I don't remember it being a circus in Texas. Besides I don't really expect him to sign with the Mets when their glaring weakness is in the pen, possibly finding another starter, and finding a catcher.

it wasn't a circus in TEX because no one gives a crap about the Rangers except for Ranger fans... look at all the attention & media focus the Yankees are getting right now, even after the Red Sox won the WS... they've become an afterthought... face it, the Yankees are the most important organization in baseball by a mile, so the attention & spotlight will always be on you when you put on those pinstripes.
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11/1/2007  1:46 PM
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like i said, IF you guys add ARod, then your payroll will be up to the $150 level, about the same as what the Yankees' payroll will be w/o ARod & Rocket... that's all i'm saying... i thought David Wright had already said he'd move over to 2B if ARod came on board... that would give u guys a pretty sick IF if that happened... & if i were Boras, i'd advise my client to stay in NY, because no one will give a crap about him if he came to the West Coast, & his legacy will not be even close to what it could be if he joined up w/the Mets & helped them win a championship... obviously the only other team he could go to that could offer him more in terms of building his legacy is the Yankees or Red Sox, but he's already burned his bridge w/the Yankees w/his idiotic grandstanding act, & the Red Sox don't need him as they're already built to win championships & their fans despise the guy & probably can't afford him anyway as long as Manny's on their payroll.

btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Again, we're not getting A-Rod so there is no if or whatever. The kiddies wants A-Rod, the long time die hard Mets fan wants pitching and wants nothing to do with Jackass-Rod. These kiddies are the same idiotic fans who cheer Isiah when he brings in every name player. If we're getting A-Rod, then whats the point of playing the regular season? BORING. Just bashing teams to death. I like competitive baseball, pennant races, and the ups and downs of a 162 game season. Thats why we're Mets fans! If we wanted to follow a team that bashed everyone to death then we'd be Yankee fans. If we go after Dick-Rod, then we're becoming the Yankees. Ewwwwwww no thanks.

Now if we didn't already have a really good offensive team, then I'd be much more open to Prick-Rod on the Mets. We need pitching!! Can A-Rod pitch? No.

lol... those kiddies will be the ones going to all the games because there's no doubt in my mind that ARod would get a standing ovation on opening day if he were to sign w/the Mets.
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11/1/2007  1:53 PM
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like i said, IF you guys add ARod, then your payroll will be up to the $150 level, about the same as what the Yankees' payroll will be w/o ARod & Rocket... that's all i'm saying... i thought David Wright had already said he'd move over to 2B if ARod came on board... that would give u guys a pretty sick IF if that happened... & if i were Boras, i'd advise my client to stay in NY, because no one will give a crap about him if he came to the West Coast, & his legacy will not be even close to what it could be if he joined up w/the Mets & helped them win a championship... obviously the only other team he could go to that could offer him more in terms of building his legacy is the Yankees or Red Sox, but he's already burned his bridge w/the Yankees w/his idiotic grandstanding act, & the Red Sox don't need him as they're already built to win championships & their fans despise the guy & probably can't afford him anyway as long as Manny's on their payroll.

btw, Met fans would become ARod's biggest fans if he joined them, let's be real here... all the talk about ARod being overrated & all the rest would quickly turn into "ARod's the man" once he put on that Mets uniform... maybe you wouldn't change your mind but I'm guessing the predominance of Met fans would love to have him on their team... just make sure you guys are ready to have it become a 3 ring circus once he joins the team.

Again, we're not getting A-Rod so there is no if or whatever. The kiddies wants A-Rod, the long time die hard Mets fan wants pitching and wants nothing to do with Jackass-Rod. These kiddies are the same idiotic fans who cheer Isiah when he brings in every name player. If we're getting A-Rod, then whats the point of playing the regular season? BORING. Just bashing teams to death. I like competitive baseball, pennant races, and the ups and downs of a 162 game season. Thats why we're Mets fans! If we wanted to follow a team that bashed everyone to death then we'd be Yankee fans. If we go after Dick-Rod, then we're becoming the Yankees. Ewwwwwww no thanks.

Now if we didn't already have a really good offensive team, then I'd be much more open to Prick-Rod on the Mets. We need pitching!! Can A-Rod pitch? No.

lol... those kiddies will be the ones going to all the games because there's no doubt in my mind that ARod would get a standing ovation on opening day if he were to sign w/the Mets.

Hmmm me thinks you probably orgasmed all over yourself when the Knicks got Marbury, Curry, and Randolph. How old are you? 16?

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11/1/2007  2:37 PM
i'll be true to you, i was excited when the Knicks got Marbury & Curry... i've since changed my opinion on Marbury drastically... i can't stand the guy... Curry i still have hope on, but he's wearing thin on my patience... i hated the idea of getting Zach from the very beginning... if you'd been reading up on the forums you'd probably know this, but whatever... you're relatively new here so that's understandable.

not sure why you're questioning my age by my reply above... it's pretty much realistic... i didn't knock anyone for being excited about ARod joining their team, but just like a typical Met fan you get all defensive... for the record, i'm 36 & probably have been watching this Knicks team & been a Yankee fan a lot longer than you have a Mets fan (if not, then you get my props for sticking with a team that's been an embarassment for much of their history like the Mets the same way i've stuck w/a team like the Knicks all this time).

btw, just curious, what will your reaction be to Kobe if he were to be traded to the Knicks? will you be at the games booing him & hating the fact that he's wearing a Knicks uniform, or will you embrace him as your own & hope for good things to come?

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11/1/2007  5:14 PM
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i'll be true to you, i was excited when the Knicks got Marbury & Curry... i've since changed my opinion on Marbury drastically... i can't stand the guy... Curry i still have hope on, but he's wearing thin on my patience... i hated the idea of getting Zach from the very beginning... if you'd been reading up on the forums you'd probably know this, but whatever... you're relatively new here so that's understandable.

not sure why you're questioning my age by my reply above... it's pretty much realistic... i didn't knock anyone for being excited about ARod joining their team, but just like a typical Met fan you get all defensive... for the record, i'm 36 & probably have been watching this Knicks team & been a Yankee fan a lot longer than you have a Mets fan (if not, then you get my props for sticking with a team that's been an embarassment for much of their history like the Mets the same way i've stuck w/a team like the Knicks all this time).

btw, just curious, what will your reaction be to Kobe if he were to be traded to the Knicks? will you be at the games booing him & hating the fact that he's wearing a Knicks uniform, or will you embrace him as your own & hope for good things to come?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-01-2007 11:41 AM]

We're the same age. I'm surprised. Thought you were much younger, my apologies. I just didn't think anyone over the age of say 27, supports anything Isiah does. (Aside from his brilliant playing career)

Actually I was initially a Yankees fan, well mainly a HUGE baseball fan and also supported the Mets. But I switched over full time to the Mets after the 81 World Series when George fired Bob Lemon. I was so angry with Steinslobber, I never went back to the Yankees and have despised them since. Also it helped that my mom remarried in 82 to a huge Mets fan. My stepfather got Mets season tickets in 1984 and I was lucky enough to go to game 6 of the 86 World Series. I also was at game 2, a coked up Gooden vs. Clemens.

As for Kobe, I love him and think he's great. Would love him on the Knicks, but it would be such a waste playing next to Stiffbury and Curry. Those 2 don't deserve to be on the court with such greatness. Same with Randolph. First things first, Isiah has to go. Then Marbury, Curry, Crawful and Randolph. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
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11/2/2007  12:16 AM
as far as supporting Isiah goes, i gave him a 3 year window to show me some real progress, & so far i don't see this team going in the direction towards winning a championship, so i'm pretty much done w/his so-called "plan" to rebuild this franchise... i think he needs to be fired not only because of some of his nonsensical roster moves but also because of the 3 ring circus environment he has brought to his franchise... he's an embarassment of an executive & i'm almost ashamed to call myself a Knicks fan because of him & his posterchild, Marbury's actions... that doesn't mean i hate everything he's ever done... i love most of his draft picks & i think that's the role where he's best suited, out of the limelight & in charge of scouting young talent.

& regarding you loving Kobe, why would you love him & want him to be a Knick, but despise the idea of Arod coming to your Mets? they're both the best players in their sports & both have the biggest egos of any athlete... both will bring the primadonna act to the teams they play for... i for one loved ARod when he came to the Yankees, the same way as i will love Kobe if he came to the Knicks... the only reason i'm bitterly disappointed in ARod is because of the fact that he lied through his teeth all year long saying he wanted to be a Yankee & wanted to get a deal done, but he opted out without even allowing the Yankees a chance to present him an offer knowing full well the Yankees wouldn't pursue him in free agency if he did that... that to me is a slap in the face of every Yankee fan that ever supported & defended him during the years he was wearing the pinstripes.
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11/2/2007  12:58 PM
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& regarding you loving Kobe, why would you love him & want him to be a Knick, but despise the idea of Arod coming to your Mets? they're both the best players in their sports & both have the biggest egos of any athlete... both will bring the primadonna act to the teams they play for... i for one loved ARod when he came to the Yankees, the same way as i will love Kobe if he came to the Knicks... the only reason i'm bitterly disappointed in ARod is because of the fact that he lied through his teeth all year long saying he wanted to be a Yankee & wanted to get a deal done, but he opted out without even allowing the Yankees a chance to present him an offer knowing full well the Yankees wouldn't pursue him in free agency if he did that... that to me is a slap in the face of every Yankee fan that ever supported & defended him during the years he was wearing the pinstripes.

Simple answer, the Knicks need Kobe waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than the Mets need A-Rod. We don't need A-Rod. Baseball is about pitching pitching pitching and timely hitting. The two areas where A-Rod does not help. NBA, aside from the Pistons, you generally need a superstar to at least get you to the finals and Kobe has more impact on your team.

Like I said, if we didn't already have a good lineup, then I'd be more open to A-Rod. We need PITCHING. Also, there is no way I'm giving A-Rod 30 million a season for 10 years. 10 years?!!?!?!?! It's not so much the money per season, it's the years.

And you're a Yankees fan, of course you do cartwheels whenever Steinslobber brings in another high priced toy. Thats part of being a Yankees fan.
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11/2/2007  1:25 PM
LOL. yeah, like Met fans weren't gizzing all over themselves when the Wilpons brought in high priced toys like Pedro, Delgado, Beltran in recent years... i love how you Met fans always cry foul everytime the Yankees bring in a high priced FA & then proclaim yourselves the champions of the world everytime some bigname FA joins your team... such hypocrites you are!
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11/4/2007  2:05 PM
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LOL. yeah, like Met fans weren't gizzing all over themselves when the Wilpons brought in high priced toys like Pedro, Delgado, Beltran in recent years... i love how you Met fans always cry foul everytime the Yankees bring in a high priced FA & then proclaim yourselves the champions of the world everytime some bigname FA joins your team... such hypocrites you are!

When we brought in Pedro and Beltran, we really had no high priced players. Piazza was in the last year of his contract and on his way out. The only other 10 plus million dollar player on the Mets was Glavine at 10.7 mil. Then the following season we traded for Delcrapo and LoDuca. Also brought in Wagner. However, salaries we lost were Piazza 16, Cameron 7.3, Trachsel 6.7, Benson 5.3. Plus a few others which total around 10 million. (maybe more) So thats about 45 million in lost salaries. Pedro 14, Beltran 13.5, Delcrapo around 11.5 after subtracting 2 mil from Marlins, LoDuca 6.5, Wagner 10.5. So that totals about 55 mil. For around 10 million more, the Mets were able to substantially increase the talent on the roster. But as you can see below, our total payroll actually went down since 2003! And this years opening day payroll was only 108 million after you factor in the money we received for Green and Delcrapo.

Mets * Opening Day payrolls for 25-man roster
(salaries plus pro-rated signing bonuses):
o 2007: $115,231,663 *
o 2006: $101,084,963
o 2005: $101,305,821
o 2004: $ 96,660,970
o 2003: $117,476,429
o 2002: $ 94,633,593
o 2001: $ 93,674,429
o 2000: $ 79,800,000

* * Payments from other clubs:
o $ 5,800,000 (Shawn Green)
o $ 2,300,000 (Carlos Delgado) (est.)

* * 2007 payroll obligations for former players:
o $ 600,000 (Chan Ho Park)




Yankees * Opening Day payrolls for 25-man roster
(salaries plus pro-rated signing bonuses):
o 2007: $189,639,045 *
o 2006: $194,663,079
o 2005: $208,306,817
o 2004: $184,193,950
o 2003: $152,749,814
o 2002: $125,928,583
o 2001: $112,287,143
o 2000: $107,588,459

* * 2007 payroll obligations for former players:
o $ 4,000,000 (Jaret Wright)
o $ 3,000,000 (Javier Vazquez)
o $ 2,000,000 (Randy Johnson)

* * Payments from other clubs:
o $ 7,000,000 (est.) (Alex Rodriguez)
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In the NL the Mets weren't even the highest salaried team on opening day. That would be the Dodgers at around 117 mil after you factor in all payroll obligations to players they traded away.

Dodgers 117
Mets 108
Cubs 101

Then you had the Braves, Giants, Cardinals, and Phillies at 90 million.

American League

Yankees 191
Red Sox 143
Angels 118
Mariners 108
White Sox 100
Tigers 97
Orioles 89
BlueJays 88

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The Yankees are 50 million more than the next highest team and 70 million more than the Angels!! The Mets are within 20 million of 6 other NL teams. 50 million would put them in range of almost every NL team. And 70 million would put them in range of every NL team. Point is, the Mets are playing on an even playing field with at least 2 other teams and pretty much an even playing field with the 4 teams at 90 million. The Yankees on the otherhand are playing on an even playing field with NOBODY!! And after the Yankees signed Clemens, they were 110 million more than the White Sox at 100 mil!! Thats more than the Mets ENTIRE payroll!!!!!!!! Holy ****!!!!! Thats basically 2 whole teams and they still couldn't get past the first round!!!!!!
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so what is your point here? who is the one poking fun at another team for targetting high priced players here, me or you? the fact that you're trying to justify your team's acquisitions by comparing yourself to the Yankee payroll is pretty ridiculous when your own team has a payroll over $100 million dollars... i don't deny one bit that the Yankees have starphuched their way to ruining what got them those 4 championships in 5 years to begin with (the victory over your Mets in 2000 being particularly sweet btw)... but when your team makes the most money in the biggest market in sports, then it's only expected for them to spend the most as well... Met fans would realize this except for the fsct that they're always going to play second fiddle to the Yankees in this city, & that's never going to change no matter how much money y'all spend.
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11/4/2007  11:41 PM
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so what is your point here? who is the one poking fun at another team for targetting high priced players here, me or you? the fact that you're trying to justify your team's acquisitions by comparing yourself to the Yankee payroll is pretty ridiculous when your own team has a payroll over $100 million dollars... i don't deny one bit that the Yankees have starphuched their way to ruining what got them those 4 championships in 5 years to begin with (the victory over your Mets in 2000 being particularly sweet btw)... but when your team makes the most money in the biggest market in sports, then it's only expected for them to spend the most as well... Met fans would realize this except for the fsct that they're always going to play second fiddle to the Yankees in this city, & that's never going to change no matter how much money y'all spend.


I don't want the Mets to spend lots of money. I mean, I want them to spend when warranted, but only to a certain point and definitely don't want them to have the highest payroll in the NL. And I definitely do not want A-Rod. Heck I didn't even want Delcrapo! If it were up to me, I'd put in a salary cap and make it more of an even playing field for everyone. Two years ago when the Mets steamrolled through the regular season, that was the most boring baseball regular season. Thats why I can't understand the Yankee fan mentality, well aside from this season where you actually had to do some work, most Yankees seasons are snores. What happened to the good old fashioned pennant race?

And we all know it wasn't that long ago when the Yankees couldn't draw flies to that dump in the Bronx. Yankee fans are front runners, and will abandon ship the moment it springs a leak. Yup thats it, thats why they stick with the team when their pounding those crappy Royals in a meaningless Tuesday night in June.
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11/5/2007  2:39 AM
i love a Met fan that goes to watch games in the urinal that is Shea Stadium talking about the "dump in the Bronx"

Yankee fans are front runners? not any Yankee fan I know, & I know many... personally speaking i have been following this team avidly since '77 & stuck w/the team through a few of the bad years in the mid 80's when half the stadium was empty & the only thing worth watching was Donnie Baseball... while there are many frontrunning Yankee fans, i'll tell u right now that none of the ones I know are... on the contrary, Met fans do more whining on the airwaves than any fanbase i know besides maybe Boston fans everytime your team loses, & do more trashtalking on the airwaves in May when your team gets off to a good start & proclaim yourselves champions of the world when there's about 120 more games left to play in the season.

nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

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11/5/2007  10:48 AM
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i love a Met fan that goes to watch games in the urinal that is Shea Stadium talking about the "dump in the Bronx"

give me a break.. i've been to both stadiums over the last 20yrs of my life and yankee stadium is in no better condition. i've also been to fenway which is worse conditions than both.
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11/5/2007  10:50 AM
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nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

yup, both NY teams own the record for biggest collapses ever. Mets in the regular season and yanks in the playoffs.

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11/5/2007  2:09 PM
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i love a Met fan that goes to watch games in the urinal that is Shea Stadium talking about the "dump in the Bronx"

give me a break.. i've been to both stadiums over the last 20yrs of my life and yankee stadium is in no better condition. i've also been to fenway which is worse conditions than both.

exactly my point... this dude is talking smack about our stadium being a dump, meanwhile he goes to a piss smelling craphole like Shea to watch games... gimme a break for real.
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11/5/2007  2:11 PM
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nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

yup, both NY teams own the record for biggest collapses ever. Mets in the regular season and yanks in the playoffs.

true, but only 1 holds the record for most championships won... y'all just need to win about 24 more to catch up... tell your team to hurry the hell up already & your fans to stop talking so much smack until they win a few more at that.
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nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

yup, both NY teams own the record for biggest collapses ever. Mets in the regular season and yanks in the playoffs.

true, but only 1 holds the record for most championships won... y'all just need to win about 24 more to catch up... tell your team to hurry the hell up already & your fans to stop talking so much smack until they win a few more at that.

who cares how many championships. that has no relevance on the current team.
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nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

yup, both NY teams own the record for biggest collapses ever. Mets in the regular season and yanks in the playoffs.

true, but only 1 holds the record for most championships won... y'all just need to win about 24 more to catch up... tell your team to hurry the hell up already & your fans to stop talking so much smack until they win a few more at that.

who cares how many championships. that has no relevance on the current team.

if you want to use that argument, then why bring up the '04 Yankees?
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11/5/2007  5:20 PM
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i love a Met fan that goes to watch games in the urinal that is Shea Stadium talking about the "dump in the Bronx"

Yankee fans are front runners? not any Yankee fan I know, & I know many... personally speaking i have been following this team avidly since '77 & stuck w/the team through a few of the bad years in the mid 80's when half the stadium was empty & the only thing worth watching was Donnie Baseball... while there are many frontrunning Yankee fans, i'll tell u right now that none of the ones I know are... on the contrary, Met fans do more whining on the airwaves than any fanbase i know besides maybe Boston fans everytime your team loses, & do more trashtalking on the airwaves in May when your team gets off to a good start & proclaim yourselves champions of the world when there's about 120 more games left to play in the season.

nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-04-2007 11:44 PM]

Well unless you were born around 1915, you're a front runner! Mets fans appreciate the game of baseball and the spirit of competition. Sure we whine more, it's called being a baseball fan during a long and grueling 162 game season with many ups and downs. I'm sure if you listened to sports talk radio in Chicago or Philly, you'd hear lots of whining there too.

And yes we choked, but I'm sure if we had 100 million more in payroll like your beloved Yankees had, we would have made the playoffs too. But even if we squeaked in on the last weekend, we did not deserve to go and would have just gotten crushed in the playoffs like your Yankees did.
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i love a Met fan that goes to watch games in the urinal that is Shea Stadium talking about the "dump in the Bronx"

Yankee fans are front runners? not any Yankee fan I know, & I know many... personally speaking i have been following this team avidly since '77 & stuck w/the team through a few of the bad years in the mid 80's when half the stadium was empty & the only thing worth watching was Donnie Baseball... while there are many frontrunning Yankee fans, i'll tell u right now that none of the ones I know are... on the contrary, Met fans do more whining on the airwaves than any fanbase i know besides maybe Boston fans everytime your team loses, & do more trashtalking on the airwaves in May when your team gets off to a good start & proclaim yourselves champions of the world when there's about 120 more games left to play in the season.

nice choke job to end the season btw... at least our team made the playoffs.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-04-2007 11:44 PM]

Well unless you were born around 1915, you're a front runner! Mets fans appreciate the game of baseball and the spirit of competition. Sure we whine more, it's called being a baseball fan during a long and grueling 162 game season with many ups and downs. I'm sure if you listened to sports talk radio in Chicago or Philly, you'd hear lots of whining there too.

And yes we choked, but I'm sure if we had 100 million more in payroll like your beloved Yankees had, we would have made the playoffs too. But even if we squeaked in on the last weekend, we did not deserve to go and would have just gotten crushed in the playoffs like your Yankees did.

look man, both our teams had very disappointing ends to the season, there's no question about it... i actually look forward to the day where the Yankees & Mets can play again in a subway series... 2000 was the most fun i've had as a Yankee fan in a long, long time.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
OT: Girardi New Yanks Skipper

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