Posted by majorleads:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Papa, those tapes will have nothing to do with the appeals process.

You speak of these tapes as possibly being "doctored". That usually suggests a certain technical trickery that requires video experts to detect. Nothing of the sort happened here. This was simply a matter of the prosecution showing the most relevant portions from hours of deposition tapes.

If the defense team felt it would serve their case to show additional portions they had the opportunity to do so then, during the trial. That the defense team didn't suggests there was nothing there to defend him.

BTW, the appeals process isn't designed so that every defendant gets two tries to prove himself innocent. The appeals process isn't a new juried trial (though it can sometimes result in one), it's briefs submitted to a panel of judges asserting that something clerical or administratively was mishandled by the court. Your own defense team neglecting to show additional footage, that was imminently available to them, is not grounds to have the decision overturned, unless perhaps you are claiming that your lawyers were incompetent.

If, and it's probably a long shot as most decisions are held, this decision were overruled then a new trial might be held. But how attractive is it to re-air this case with the possibility of accumulating additional fines and fees? The best they might hope for would be to have Anusha still accept a lower settlement to avoid the cost and hassle of the appeals process.

If Dolan were smart he'd put this behind him as quickly as possible. But prudent behavior is the last thing we've come to expect from him.

Blue, Papa Bear is just playing dead. He knows the tapes represent nothing other than another one of Jimmy and Isiah's myriad of excuses they use to blame for their failures. Blame the media, blame Scott Layden, blame Lenny Wilkens, blame Larry Brown, blame injuries, blame the fans booing, blame Anucha, and now blame the "spliced tape." blame blame blame. It's never their fault. This goes back to the no accountability theme that runs rampant through the Garden of doom created by none other James Dolan.

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Papa, those tapes will have nothing to do with the appeals process.

You speak of these tapes as possibly being "doctored". That usually suggests a certain technical trickery that requires video experts to detect. Nothing of the sort happened here. This was simply a matter of the prosecution showing the most relevant portions from hours of deposition tapes.

If the defense team felt it would serve their case to show additional portions they had the opportunity to do so then, during the trial. That the defense team didn't suggests there was nothing there to defend him.

BTW, the appeals process isn't designed so that every defendant gets two tries to prove himself innocent. The appeals process isn't a new juried trial (though it can sometimes result in one), it's briefs submitted to a panel of judges asserting that something clerical or administratively was mishandled by the court. Your own defense team neglecting to show additional footage, that was imminently available to them, is not grounds to have the decision overturned, unless perhaps you are claiming that your lawyers were incompetent.

If, and it's probably a long shot as most decisions are held, this decision were overruled then a new trial might be held. But how attractive is it to re-air this case with the possibility of accumulating additional fines and fees? The best they might hope for would be to have Anusha still accept a lower settlement to avoid the cost and hassle of the appeals process.

If Dolan were smart he'd put this behind him as quickly as possible. But prudent behavior is the last thing we've come to expect from him.

Blue, Papa Bear is just playing dead. He knows the tapes represent nothing other than another one of Jimmy and Isiah's myriad of excuses they use to blame for their failures. Blame the media, blame Scott Layden, blame Lenny Wilkens, blame Larry Brown, blame injuries, blame the fans booing, blame Anucha, and now blame the "spliced tape." blame blame blame. It's never their fault. This goes back to the no accountability theme that runs rampant through the Garden of doom created by none other James Dolan.

Papabear Says

Majorleads do you know whats on the rest of the tape??? Or are you just prejudging because you want it to be the way you wish it to be. I have not heard Ms Browns lawyers denying that they doctored up the tapes. I know a little something about film and tapes. Just like fingerprints tapes have finger prints. You can tell a doctored tape by its edits lines and getting the original master tape.
The truth will come out. If Zeke and Dolan are lying we will find out. If Ms brown and her lawyers did do something with the tape we will find that out too. But for you haters it makes no difference because you've already prejudged the man. Thats what haters do.

Papabear

Then why did Isiah wait until after the trial was over to complain about the tapes? Why didn't his high priced lawyer put up a big stink during the trial? Ever hear of the word OBJECTION?

Isiah Thomas is guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty

Worst GM ever.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Papabear:

Papabear Says

Enough is enough!!! Stop playing the dream game when you know in your broken hearts that Zeke aint going nowhere. He will be here the rest of the season and next. This team is going places. Get over it!! Please Zeke has no Ultimatum. I hate to bust your bubble so stop dreaming.

Papabear

Do you care about the Knicks or Isiah?

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by misterearl:

Posted by Nalod:

Bring back larry, he can be the new billy martin to Dolan as the real billy was to Steinbrenner.

Grunwald is not a bad choice and he actually did not do as bad in Toronto as was originally thought. He set the table for Colangelos "miricle" much like Layden set the table for Isiahs financial rampage and the league tampon to obsorbe the bloated malcontents of the NBA.

First when picking I:

Don't starphuch!!!!! One need not have a retread. Get a young guy who has the intellegence to devise a plan and STICK TO IT! We will question him at first. If he is a little geeky guy, he will get lots of flack for doing what is needed. Then he gets to choose his coach. Not Dolan, but the GM.

I hope its someone we don't know or ever heard of. Maybe some Euro superstar who tells our divas to phuch off in languages they don't know. Get some Russian hardass to beat this team into submission. A russian "larry" type player. Dolan should set aside 50 mil to buy out who needs to go and do the rebuild right!!!!!

I do't want to hears "fratello" this, or "Logo" that, or how Magic Johnson can bring this team around. No starphuching is gonna be tangable enough to turn it around.

Build the team with winners from good solid programs. Men of character who want to play.

Naold - your use of the vapid word "starphuching" is impressive. Rather than a simple howl against the moon, how about naming exact candidates who can meet the Knicks criteria (which you are welcome to state and additional requirements) and handle New York City and it's special demands?

Papabear Says

Lets get real!! Zeke ain't going nowhere till this Court Apeal is over. It may take months or even a year. Unless Dolan plans to shell out the 11.5 million plus a possible 10 million more. Dolan and Zeke are joined to the hip. If you bring in another GM or Coach you can kiss this season goodby. No team wants Crawford or Marbs right now. Curry either. The team is stuck with Zekes dream for this season. Dolan don't want Zeke turning on him with a new trial.
They should have paid Ms Brown off. Or just maybe Zeke is telling the truth and we need to examine the whole film. If Ms Browns lawyers did doctor up the tapes, they have a problem because the tapes just might get thrown out. Zeke can't be moved right now.

Papabear

Your kinda right on just about all of this. Except, we know Isiah got an extension. The question is, what did he get? I don't think that's been disclosed to the public, let alone the media. Dolan could' in fact fire Isiah, pending the appeal or not and no one knows what could happen. Example. Isiah gets let go, and then wins the appeal. Does Isiah do a Larry Brown to Dolan? And if the appeal fails and letting Isiah go turns out to be a good move. Another scenario is 'if the appeal where to hold up, this could get really bad for Dolan, which could tie his hands up and we'd still be stuck again, because this would send out a very bad message in the work place across America. Remember, this is a high profile case and people and organizations are watching what's going on. It's a very important decision for women in particular. It's an interesting situation. We're not even talking nowhere near basketball here. This scenario can get really, really sticky. If what you are saying is true and if what I am suggesting is true, then we could end up being more stuck then I thought possible. Dolan, Isiah, The Knicks organization, the team and the fans (us) could be stuck in this bad situation overall for a long time.

The only way I see all' of this entire mess dissapearing is if 'Dolan senior comes back and gives the team to someone else or comes back and sells it. That's the only way. You cannot negotiate with something that is this damaged anymore. Not in New York! This is turning into a public nusience and that doesnt' sound good at all for shareholders. All CEO's have a board and the board could' step in and start to question the stability of this situation, if they feel that the entire organization is at risk. I'm afraid that this institution is starting to sound a little like the 'Enron Of Basketball'. Don't think it can't happen. It can.

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by djsunyc:

the "spliced tape" had to be ok'd by isiah's attorneys before they were aired to the jury.

Yeah, we all know Isiah is bluffing. The rest of the tape shows Dolan blowing Isiah under the table.

!!!!!!!!!