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I have a feeling Curry is going to dissapoint badly this year
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Killa4luv
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9/29/2007  10:52 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Eddy is not missing strengths. He is very good athlete.
He needs to develop mental strength and desire to dominate on both ends of the court.
So far he was failing, but hey... you never know.

agree. Eddy is dominant on the court on offense. He needs to be mentally focussed more than anything.
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9/29/2007  10:52 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by misterearl:

i just hope Mardy Collins and David Lee (coming off injury) are in shape.

I'm surprised more people aren't feeling more affection for Jamal due to his low body fat

supwidat?
Jamal does not have single digit body fat. It's actually -15.3%

His Body fat is great but his problem is strength and foot quickness. He gets overpowered by plenty guards in this league. Some players need to gain weight, some need to lose, some need to add muscle, some need to lay off the weights, etc etc etc.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-29-2007 10:37 PM]
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9/29/2007  11:03 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by misterearl:

i just hope Mardy Collins and David Lee (coming off injury) are in shape.

I'm surprised more people aren't feeling more affection for Jamal due to his low body fat

supwidat?
Jamal does not have single digit body fat. It's actually -15.3%

His Body fat is great but his problem is strength and foot quickness. He gets overpowered by plenty guards in this league. Some players need to gain weight some need to lose, some need to add muscle some need to lay off the weights, etc etc etc.
Yeah, being extremely lean is no good if you're not strong. Anyone can get thin and weak.
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9/30/2007  11:37 AM
>>Anyone can get thin and weak.

bonn1997 - that fact should make watching Kevin Durant interesting.

word on the street was he struggled to reach minimal standards for the bench press
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9/30/2007  11:59 AM
I have a feeling if most second-guessers were in a position to make a deal from the same point of refence as the Knicks President, we'd be wringing our hands over...

...hold up, who WOULD we be wringing our hands over?

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"We needed another complement to Eddy with Zach's rebounding ability, he being lefty and stepping out and making the 18-foot shot, he's the guy who complemented him."

- Isiah Thomas

"My initial reaction was like, 'Wow,'" Curry said of the draft-night trade for Randolph. "I wanted to talk to somebody as soon as possible to see if it was real. David Lee called me. He was at the draft and said, 'Yo, I think we're going to trade Channing [Frye] for Zach Randolph.' I'm like, 'Stop playing.'"

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9/30/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"My initial reaction was like, 'Wow,'" Curry said of the draft-night trade for Randolph. "I wanted to talk to somebody as soon as possible to see if it was real. David Lee called me. He was at the draft and said, 'Yo, I think we're going to trade Channing [Frye] for Zach Randolph.' I'm like, 'Stop playing.'"
Thats awesome. I had not read that quote.
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9/30/2007  1:07 PM
Silverfuel - just the fact that David Lee called Eddy Curry from his seat at the draft speaks volumes about how bad an influence Curry is and how much the players are not getting along.

Our chemistry sucks
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9/30/2007  6:02 PM
Posted by Elite:

I think this summer was the summer for Eddy to come to camp FINALLY in good shape with a new attitude... And all signs point to that not being the case.

Now there are a lot of things working against Curry having a good year.

#1 - Zach Randolph is just flat out a much better version of Eddy Curry, in all ways. So if Eddy is slacking, he really should get benched asap for Lee and move Zach to center who will almost certainly outplay Eddy on most nights.

#2 - I think Eddy feels like he proved himself last year, he got praised like he was some sort of god for barely living up to potential

#3 - If hes not in shape I dont see his defense improving and we just simply cant afford to have 2 terrible defenders down low. If Zach is scoring which he will.. Eddy will have to pick it up elseware to co-exist... i dont see this happening.


I say trade him now while his value is decent cuz i could see him entering into Steve Francis "Untradable" land very soon.

I totally agree, but only problems are 'Isiah said he likes the combination of Cur being a right handed shooter and Zach being a left handed shooter. He says there will be diversity there as they hook it from either side. So it sounds like they'll both be in the back together more likely. Plus, just like the other players, we are totally stuck with Ed. When you lock players up in contracts like these, they become a very hard sell. Take suckbury for instance. Nobody wants his contract.
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9/30/2007  6:07 PM
I could care less about his offense the team appear to have enough to get the job done.

And what job would that be?
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9/30/2007  6:16 PM
Its funny seeing people say Zach is the same player as Eddy Curry.

Curry was one of the nbas leading dunkers and had more dunks in 4 combined games last season than Zach had for the whole season (13).

Curry is perenially one of the top fg% guys in the nba (58%)

Zach is a good scorer but actually shoots a poor percentage for a big (46%)

Curry led his team in scoring despite only taking on 12 shots a game.

Zach was 3rd in the whole NBA with 21.2 shots per game

Curry plays inside where many of Zach shots are outside.

Zach uses quickness to slash by guys while Curry often uses brute strength instead.

Zach shoot 82% from the line. Curry only shot 62% from the line.

Seems several people havent watched Zach play much if they think Zach and Curry are the same player.


[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 09-30-2007 6:20 PM]
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9/30/2007  6:50 PM
Posted by Ira:
#1 - Zach Randolph is just flat out a much better version of Eddy Curry, in all ways. So if Eddy is slacking, he really should get benched asap for Lee and move Zach to center who will almost certainly outplay Eddy on most nights.

Zach is the better player, but not in every way. Zach shot a respectable 47% from the field. Curry shot an outstanding 58%.

Eddie shot 57.6%.
58% would mean a significant amount of baskets on the year and probably would mean he would have averaged 20.something. That's another thing to. With his alleged 'outstanding' 57.6% FG scoring, he still' didn't make it over 20 points. As a matter of fact, Stoudemire scored 20.4 a game on 57.5% and Boozer scored 20.9 a game on 56.1%.

Zach took 270 more shots on the year than Eddie.

Eddie scores a lot of his points on the inside, with a lot of lay ins, whiie Zach actually shoots the ball and over people.

Curry is averaging 13.5 (and that's with his newly season high of 19.5 added), while Zach is averaging 16 a game in his' six seasons.

Zach shot 5,246 more attempts to Eddie's 4,133 attempts in thier careers. So the higher amount of shots you take, then the more your field goal average goes down.

It's not to say that Eddie still hasn't found ways to score and raise his average, but with the facts, he's still really not that special. I hope I cleared up those smoke screens well.
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9/30/2007  8:39 PM
The higher amount of shots you take the lower your field goal percentage? Who made that rule up? Curry had 1000 more shots in 2007 than he did in 2006 and his FG% went up 10 points not down.

Curry came in at 18 years old and has shot a high percentage every year despite his chances going up including one year leading the NBA in fg%.

Zach came in at 20 I believe after a year in college.

The whole point of my post wasnt that Zach is better than Curry or Curry is better than Zach. They are both Knicks so who cares which Knick is better except the haters? My point was they are not the same player.
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9/30/2007  9:48 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

The higher amount of shots you take the lower your field goal percentage? Who made that rule up?
yea seriously! I thought the higher amount of shots you miss the lower the field goal %.
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10/1/2007  3:49 AM
Posted by COSSUCKS:

The higher amount of shots you take the lower your field goal percentage? Who made that rule up? Curry had 1000 more shots in 2007 than he did in 2006 and his FG% went up 10 points not down.

Curry came in at 18 years old and has shot a high percentage every year despite his chances going up including one year leading the NBA in fg%.

Zach came in at 20 I believe after a year in college.

The whole point of my post wasnt that Zach is better than Curry or Curry is better than Zach. They are both Knicks so who cares which Knick is better except the haters? My point was they are not the same player.

Okay, then the more you take, then the slower your average goes up. Look at it either way. You left out all of the other facts I put in there.

I was just making interesting points about how Curry hasn't lived up to everything he's supposed to be. I guess it's going to take another two, three seasons to prove that to the die hards.
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10/1/2007  3:53 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

The higher amount of shots you take the lower your field goal percentage? Who made that rule up?
yea seriously! I thought the higher amount of shots you miss the lower the field goal %.

Did you read my post or Cossucks? You totally missed it. Higher attempts only count if it's a prolific scorer making the most of the attempts. Curry does not qualify. Even Zach wouldn't qualify. Alone these two are average good. together, maybe they can be a pain in other teams defenses sides. We'll see.
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10/1/2007  3:54 AM
And someone made the point that Zach was better overall, and someone else said Curry was good at FG%. Well' I just put the facts down. I was responding to thier views.
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10/1/2007  6:15 AM
I totally agree, but only problems are 'Isiah said he likes the combination of Cur being a right handed shooter and Zach being a left handed shooter. He says there will be diversity there as they hook it from either side. So it sounds like they'll both be in the back together more likely. Plus, just like the other players, we are totally stuck with Ed. When you lock players up in contracts like these, they become a very hard sell. Take suckbury for instance. Nobody wants his contract.

That's a very interesting idea. I'm interested to see how that (one being left handed and the other right handed) works out on the court - whether it makes a differce.
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10/1/2007  10:24 AM
as soon as they made that Zach trade, i said i had a feeling this would adversely effect Curry's game & we'd see him regress this season while becoming less of a focal point of the offense... i hope i'm wrong but i don't see Curry improving while seeing less & less of the ball.
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10/1/2007  10:37 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

The higher amount of shots you take the lower your field goal percentage? Who made that rule up?
yea seriously! I thought the higher amount of shots you miss the lower the field goal %.

The more shots you take while being a focal point of the offense the greater risk your fg% suffers.

It follows a trend more so than anything else. Look at players fg%'s when they take less shots I guarantee it's higher vs when the volume increases.

The key is what do players do when defenses tighten the screws on them, do you see improvement in other areas of their game such as shot selection, assists, ball movement.
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